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Old 12-05-2007, 05:01 PM   #101
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Don't believe anything you read about powertrains -- there have been some recent changes -- and that's all I'll say about that...................
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:13 PM   #102
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I'm pretty sure the 3.9 is a front drive motor only. I believe the 3.6 is the only rear drive v6 in the GM inventory.
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:37 PM   #103
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Just for giggles, I checked Holden's website. The base and mid level engines on the Commodore are both 3.6's. I'd give you the hp ratings, but they measure them in kW and I don't know how to convert yet...
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So does anyone else think Scott's mention of engine changes has something to do with the recent CAFE compromise?
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Old 12-05-2007, 07:40 PM   #105
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Maybe, maybe not...it could be about a recent "advancement" in technology. (cough) DI (cough). Completely wishful thinking to say the least. However - DO keep in mind what the Fbodfather has said.
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Don't believe anything you read about powertrains -- there have been some recent changes -- and that's all I'll say about that...................
Chances are - what we thought we knew...we don't. Things like 3.9. things like LS3... just kidding - I haven't got a clue.


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Old 12-05-2007, 07:55 PM   #106
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I just remind myself, "take a deep breath", and to be patient.

At this point, I'm just looking at the calendar and reminding myself that in a little over a years time, I'll finally see my favorite car back from the "abyss".

Engine options, body style, performance options,...those are all "icing on the cake" for me. I'll have a great time deciding how to build my next Camaro.
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Old 12-05-2007, 09:52 PM   #107
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Just for giggles, I checked Holden's website. The base and mid level engines on the Commodore are both 3.6's. I'd give you the hp ratings, but they measure them in kW and I don't know how to convert yet...
use google to convert. Just type in ____kW to hp and it gives you the answer
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Old 12-05-2007, 09:55 PM   #108
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hmm...maybe it's about time I share this...:p
I've had this little gold-mine of a tool stuffed in my favorites for a little over two months.

http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/converter.htm

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Old 12-05-2007, 09:58 PM   #109
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:16 AM   #110
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the commodore with the 6.0 litre has 270 Kwa, which equals 360.2 hp
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:25 AM   #111
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You guys are too damn anxious...
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:00 AM   #112
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Dragon, I was thinking along the same lines as you.

DI.

If the technology is there, get them out the door, into the proper plants, and into the Camaros. Why hold back for a second year production run on the bad boys. Get them out now! Give the buying public what they want. After all, they have been waiting 3 years! Make it the DI! please??:p
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:59 AM   #113
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Quick question for you all out there.

If there are only 2 V6s and 1 V8 option for the Camaro in the first year, and that V8 happens to be the L76 in the Pontiac G8 GT and not an LS3 would you all be disappointed?

Especially since GMs outgoing GTO had the 400hp LS2? Would a 361 hp L76 really seem like a slap in the face? How about one that was tweaked for an additional few ponies over the G8, like maybe 370-375hp?
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:15 AM   #114
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I'm sure the DI 3.6 will be a good performer but I wouldn't bet on seeing it putting down 290-300 rwhp stock like the (significantly underrated) fourth gen V8 did, even though it has a similar peak hp rating. The difference in torque will be even more pronounced.
I just checked on a Cadillac forum to see what people who have the DI'd CTS think about it. From what I've read, it sounds like off the line the engine is average but when you get above 3000 RPM it really takes off.

That might go against what alot of people would percieve a Camaro would be - a high reving technological tour de force instead of low end big block grunt. But I would think that would be fun to row through the gears with.

Fbodfather's comment about drivetrain changes now has me completely second-guessing this, however. Thanks alot, Scott! Way to stir the pot!
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:54 AM   #115
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Quick question for you all out there.

If there are only 2 V6s and 1 V8 option for the Camaro in the first year, and that V8 happens to be the L76 in the Pontiac G8 GT and not an LS3 would you all be disappointed?
Especially since GMs outgoing GTO had the 400hp LS2? Would a 361 hp L76 really seem like a slap in the face? How about one that was tweaked for an additional few ponies over the G8, like maybe 370-375hp?


Me personally, I wouldn't be disappointed. The L76 is a good engine, runs on regular gas, has AFM and from what I've read it would take very little to boost the hp's to 400 or more with adjustments. Most of this you can find easily searching around here.
361hp a slap in the face? No, I'd be happy with it. (Ahh, not the slap in the face, the engine (Long as it sounds good ) Be happier with the LS3, but hey, we'll just have to wait and see, right?
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Old 12-06-2007, 08:04 AM   #116
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Yeah, I was just curious if there was or is a general expectation that a V8 Camaro offer at least the same amount of power as the outgoing GTO.
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:06 PM   #117
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It has to be the LS3. The Mustang will have about the same amount of power as the L76 come 2009. Perhaps, the LS3 is going to have some changes made to it (compression ratio, bore, etc.) to make it slightly more powerful (450 HP?) than what it is now and that's what we'll get. The LT1s and LS1s had some power increases occur in their lifetimes.
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Well that puts to bed the whole 2 v6 and 2 v8 stuff. But that's good news...good find!!
yeah 2 v8's ......at first. they could bring a bigger v8 model out a few months later.

so the odds are its a 6.2 for the v8 and the 6 would be the 3.6 di and......??????? what???
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:46 PM   #119
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As long as I get a V8 with lovely rumble followed by a roar when pushing the pedal, and that has decent mileage, I'm happy.
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yeah 2 v8's ......at first. they could bring a bigger v8 model out a few months later.

so the odds are its a 6.2 for the v8 and the 6 would be the 3.6 di and......??????? what???
Im not sure what you are getting at. Are you saying that you believe they will offer 3 V8 engines for the Camaro? No way that is happening unless the third is for a super special edition. Remember, the majority of the sales will be V6, and necause of that, odds are there will be 2 V6's offered. It is possible that they will offer 4 engines, similar to the Charger's line up, but not 5.
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Old 12-06-2007, 06:31 PM   #121
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Here's my "professional" opinion.:p

Upon Release: 2 V6's. 1 V8.
Later on: 1 more V8 (a behemoth of a V8...as in 500+hp)

However, I've given up guessing what the engines are. Because any knowlege I thought I had on the subject has been wisked away by Fbodfather's kind words.
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Don't believe anything you read about powertrains -- there have been some recent changes -- and that's all I'll say about that...................
I've read magazines claiming that the LS3 WILL be put in. I've read mags claiming the L76 WILL be in. And I've read articles with the the 3.9 WILL be in it. So...I can't believe any of that.

And I'm not complaining.
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:44 PM   #122
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I really don't see them doing two V6's, something about that just doesn't sit well with me, especially if the goal is "class leading fuel economy" for the V8 as Mr. Settlemire has already stated. Two V6's would be pointless.
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Rock, I'm expecting at least 375 base...or am hoping for. As for the Cadillac only accellerating after 3,000RPM, it might do that for traction control (would you think?). My dad owned a Merc Benz E320 and that thing hauled @ss. When you floor it, it wouldn't break traction. But, like the Caddy, would take off like no ones business after a few grand RPM. I think it's probably electronically controlled to do that.

I don't have any FREAKING CLUE as to what is going into the Camaro anymore. At first, I was told it would be two V6's. One for the masses w/ good power to save on INS and then a hi-po V6 that gets great gas mileage and has HP leves equivelant to that of a 4th Gen Z28....still saving money on INS. I wasn't told anything about the V8. But, obviously there has to be one.

My guess...no idea. Thinking two V6's and one V8 to start out with. Then, as time goes on, they add a super duper V8....something to shut down ALL competition. The next year of sales will be two V8's...hell...I don't know. I give up.

Again, just happy to know it's going to be out and there will be at least one w/ over 400hp that I WILL BE DRIVING!
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The way I see it, as far as HP goes... it's the stock HP rating they are giving you.

I'd rather get a lower powered V8 with greater aftermarket support (intake, exhaust, timing, etc, easy peezy), than a high-powered untouchable V8.

Considering I've only ever owned 4-bangers, this car is going to be a MASSIVE leap for me.
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I'll be coming from a turbo'd 5 cylinder and will be glad to trade turbo lag for naturally aspirated V8 power.

As my Camaro will be my one and only car (til after I scoop the woman destiny and probably still after)- No engine mods!!! If this was a weekend car I'd bust the can open. Brembo's and exhaust might be the only mods my Camaro will ever see.
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