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Old 07-19-2011, 11:40 AM   #1
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I DO NOT GET IT

Hello, I do not get it at all, its probley just me, but I start to have a melt down everytime... The Dealerships sell a product no matter what car it is, just like Dell selling computers and if you touch it in anyway they are quick to blame the other product... I told myself I was not going to touch or Mod my car in anyway to avoid the hassle, well 2 years later I am way past that... but I had a legimate question and knowing what answer I was going to get I called them up.... The first thing out of his mouth was its not OEM TIRE size so that is why the stability track is coming on and all the lights are on like a christmas tree... So I started having my melt down, and I am like well my TUNER and Performace guy both say there is nothing they can do about it, and it must be somthing with the car... he goes on and on about its not OEM tire size and I have to keep the same tire sizes and he could take a look at if for me for 200 bucks... I go into full MELT down mode... Knowing everyone is putting bigger tires on there cars, I am like what the hell is going on... SO after telling him thanks for nothing... I am back off to get my OEM tires back on the car at the tire shop, and they called some tech up and they finally figure out that the new tires had a 2 inch stance on them and GM OEM is only a 1 inch stance and that has to be the issue with the stability track and the brakes pulsing like crazy... Kind of makes sense since once the OEM tires back on the car drove great again.. it was a nightmare day and have to go back on thurs, since they had to order bigger front tires. They should have known that from the start.. well I ranted enough, but I dont get why companies do not understand or try and give you a reason like the Stance is off, instead of its not OEM so its wrong... Soo frustrating...
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:44 AM   #2
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:45 AM   #3
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:46 AM   #4
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:47 AM   #5
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:48 AM   #6
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Ok I got a little carried away..... did make me laugh thow....
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:49 AM   #7
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I Think you should :( find a nother dealer
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:50 AM   #8
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Good one... I like it...
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:53 AM   #9
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Ummmm - in this case wasnt the dealer correct in telling you that the issue was your tire size? Seems like he was giving good advice to your question, no? Wouldnt the issue be with the folks that sold you the wrong size tires for your application?
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Ok, so the dealership tech that you had a meltdown on was correct, it was the non-OEM tires?
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:54 AM   #11
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Dumb question, but what do you mean by "1 inch stance" and "2 inch stance"? No idea what that refers to...
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:56 AM   #12
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Ummmm - in this case wasnt the dealer correct in telling you that the issue was your tire size? Seems like he was giving good advice to your question, no? Wouldnt the issue be with the folks that sold you the wrong size tires for your application?
No they should have been able to tell me about the stance instead of its not OEM tires, alot of people have non OEM tires on the car... I did not know about the stance issue as well as the tire shop did not know.. took all day to figure it out... yes its about tire size but its the stance which he did not know about as well...
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Old 07-19-2011, 11:57 AM   #13
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you can not have really big/wide/tall tires in the back and little/narrow/thin tires up front.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html

been there, done that with the tires.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:01 PM   #14
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my frustration is not about the tires, its about how companies and tech support are quick to blame somthing else then their product, in this case it was about how the car responds to yes changing tire sizes.. if your computer goes bad they start asking you what software you added to it.. same thing, its just frustrating to try and find out why your having an issue to begin with... I guess a better way to explain it is, since I was putting bigger tires on it and the stability track lights were all coming on, whats the issue with how the camaro is responding to it... But I get the standered answer of its not OEM so that is why, when really he could have told me about the stance issue with the stability track... he might not have known about it as well, but that was the answer I was looking for before we figured it out...
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:10 PM   #15
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The dealer should have been able to tell me the car was developed for a 1 inch stance and if it goes over the stability track lights will come on and the brakes will pulsate like crazy, the tire shop order tires that gave me a 2 inch stance and that is why i was having all theses issues, took all day of swapping my old tires with the new tires and a last min call to his tech support to figure out the stance was double of OEM and that was the issue..
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:10 PM   #16
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Dumb question, but what do you mean by "1 inch stance" and "2 inch stance"? No idea what that refers to...
Same here, what is it that you are referring to?
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:11 PM   #17
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Same here, what is it that you are referring to?
Its how the car has bigger rear tires then the front and how the car sits... Its set up by GM with a 1 inch difference if you go over it all hell breaks out..lol .
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:14 PM   #18
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Ok, I think I get it...I think what you are referring to is "rake".
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:15 PM   #19
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Ok, I think I get it...I think what you are referring to is "rake".
no I dont think soo..
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Rake- degree of deviation from a horizontal plane.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:18 PM   #21
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Rake- degree of deviation from a horizontal plane.
ok, but the tire shop called it "stance"
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #22
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that is what happen when buy your tires from a guy named Stan.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #23
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ok, but the tire shop called it "stance"
They have bad information. Please educate them!
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:20 PM   #24
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I just pulled this off some google web site..

Tire stance dimensions

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Can some one measure the inside to inside dimensions on their front and rear tires? I am picking up the "X" tomorrow and would like to use my Buggy "H" trailer. I have 44" inside to inside to work with.
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Old 07-19-2011, 12:21 PM   #25
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The rake is the result of the change in tire size of the rear over the front. The rear of the car will sit up that much more compared to the front.

However, the reason the computer is bugging out is because rear tires spin at x amount of rpm while the front spin at x amount of rpm.

There is a ratio that the traction / handling system like to see, which changing that ratio will make the computer go into WTF mode and do what the OP is stating. I'm assuming there is a way around this. I'll check my HPTuners software later about this.

My friends z06 corvette did this. We pulled some fuses and lights. No more ABS or Traction....I would not recommend this however.
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