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Old 03-20-2009, 11:34 AM   #101
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couple of good logical points, except when he said F-Body i think he was just referring to camaro's in general

btw idk if i told you really like the pic of your GT500 whenever i look @ it it looks like apredator approcjing from the darkness and the mirrors for some reason looks like it's ears are pinned back lol (i know wierd but it's still a cool pic)
Thanks. It's been know to eat quite a few cars running mid-10's or slower, so it is somewhat of a predator at the track.

As for the f-body thing. Yeah, I know what he was trying to say, but he said f-body, not Camaro. I was just having fun.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:37 AM   #102
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Thanks. It's been know to eat quite a few cars running mid-10's or slower, so it is somewhat of a predator at the track.

As for the f-body thing. Yeah, I know what he was trying to say, but he said f-body, not Camaro. I was just having fun.
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i figured you knew but idk... i just needed 2 say it lol idk why
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:38 AM   #103
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It's one thing to ask more than MSRP and another to get over MSRP. Quite frankly, the markup era on the GT500 passed some time ago. Some people need to quit living in the past.

If your desire is to buy a two-seat, poor man's supercar, then I agree. However, if you are in the market for a ponycar, it's a moot point.


Really, I'm pretty sure the F-body is gone and done. The Zeta platform is a huge change from the f-body, wouldn't you say?

1000rwhp is stretching it, but I understand what you are saying. BTW, don't you know that you can't get a GT500 for MSRP or less? Cyberfan said so.

I guess I'm missing the whole point on why there are so many threads on this board simply to make a point about how the Gen5 is going to beat the Mustang GT. I'm pretty sure that's been a given for quite some time and, unless something changes, there really is not much shock value in the discussion.

you know, you're the most logical Mustang guy on the planet, so far as I can tell... everything you say is logical and thought out... I applaud you as a car enthusiast, not just a Mustang owner

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:01 PM   #104
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I said flywheel, not rwhp.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:18 PM   #105
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I said flywheel, not rwhp.
Yeah, I know, but in order to get to that level you would need to run very high boost levels and certainly straight leaded race gas and I would not want to put that much stress on the stock internals no matter how strong they are from the factory.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:38 PM   #106
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One thing and one thing only that I liked about Mustangs when I owned my Cammy's is the exhaust sound. It was far more superior. I've heard the 2010's exhaust sound and it's pretty good.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:44 PM   #107
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One thing and one thing only that I liked about Mustangs when I owned my Cammy's is the exhaust sound. It was far more superior. I've heard the 2010's exhaust sound and it's pretty good.
its the true duals... something about routing the exhaust through a single pipe kills the effect... the 3rd and 4th gens, as well as the late 2nd gens, all had this problem... with the 5th gen getting true duals, the sound is much improved.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:48 PM   #108
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its the true duals... something about routing the exhaust through a single pipe kills the effect... the 3rd and 4th gens, as well as the late 2nd gens, all had this problem... with the 5th gen getting true duals, the sound is much improved.
I hope so. I've never heard a good sounding LS engined car, let alone a great sounding one. The LT1 camaro's sounded SOOO much better IMO. I'm not so sure the true duals are going to help THAT much, the GTO has true duals (right?) and those don't sound much better than the y-piped cars.

I think it's mostly in the firing order.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:52 PM   #109
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I hope so. I've never heard a good sounding LS engined car, let alone a great sounding one. The LT1 camaro's sounded SOOO much better IMO. I'm not so sure the true duals are going to help THAT much, the GTO has true duals (right?) and those don't sound much better than the y-piped cars.

I think it's mostly in the firing order.
the GTOs had this really anemic exhaust note... I attribute this to Pontiac trying to numb the car enough to be considered luxury as well as performance... a set of headers and some better mufflers really made the GTO sound alot better.

my '02 Z28 with true duals and big cam sounds like a top fuel dragster... I LOVE IT! it is, by far, the best sounding car we own... the second best sound car we have is my wife's 2001 Z28 with the dual electric cuouts open... it just sounds mean... and its bone stock other than the exhaust
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Actually Pontiac spent a lot of time trying to make the GTO exhaust sound like the original 64. It had a great tone to it, it was just far too quiet. Now with some Flowmaster mufflers on it....
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Old 03-20-2009, 02:51 PM   #111
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I'm glad to see everyone working out their differences of opinion and avoiding further action.

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Actually Pontiac spent a lot of time trying to make the GTO exhaust sound like the original 64. It had a great tone to it, it was just far too quiet. Now with some Flowmaster mufflers on it....
Thats about the only thing they spent time making like the older cars.
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:16 PM   #113
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ya know, all this back and forth and cutdowns gets kinda old doesn't it? I mean, arn't the Mustang and the Camaro BOTH great cars really. I mean c'mon, they have always(well for the most part) been about cheap, fast, fun, and good looking.
to WOOKIE: your sig kinda cracks me up.... You talk about the Camaro being ugly, but you drive one, plus you have an 88 Mustang. Looks are subjective to the person viewing it. That means women, cars, houses, etc. My brother had an 88 mustang as well. To me, it is the ugliest Mustang that ever rolled off the assembly line, but that's me. To each their own. Of course, anyone that states that the new Mustang's or Camaro's are ugly, has to be smoking something. The funny thing is, I hear how ugly they are from people driving a Honda Accord or a Toyota Camry, or some other sedan like that. To mean, that is ugly. There it is again, my subjectivness towards most sedans as such. !
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Old 03-20-2009, 03:40 PM   #114
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its the true duals... something about routing the exhaust through a single pipe kills the effect...
Not to totally nerd-up this sentance...But I used to dabble in audio stuff...and this is almost the same basic theory behind mono and stereo sound systems. It has to do with resonance, specifically in this case; pulses of air.

Each bank of cylinders has four exhaust pulses per every two revolutions. In a true-dual setup, this allows those pulses to come out the tailpipe largely unmolested. So you can actually hear those pulses if you listen carefully. Consider the fact you have two banks setup like this, and you get this beautifully clear, deep, rumbling exhaust note like the Mustang. Now, somebody's going to say "the x-pipe links the two together, so what's the difference?" The X-pipe helps to equalize pressure in both pipes (or the strength of the pulses). But the resonance itself still makes it through.

If you route both banks through one pipe(like the 4th gen)...you get 8 pulses per two revolutions. That's double the amount, making it difficult to detect the rumble. On top of that, though, they interfere and hit into one another as they get slammed into the same pipe. This messes with the resonance, and results in the sound getting 'smoothed' out, because your ears cannot detect the separate pulses anymore. As far as sound goes, it's still deep, but it's no longer clear, nor rumbly.

Thank God for a 5thgen with true duals.
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Not to totally nerd-up this sentance...But I used to dabble in audio stuff...and this is almost the same basic theory behind mono and stereo sound systems. It has to do with resonance, specifically in this case; pulses of air.

Each bank of cylinders has four exhaust pulses per every two revolutions. In a true-dual setup, this allows those pulses to come out the tailpipe largely unmolested. So you can actually hear those pulses if you listen carefully. Consider the fact you have two banks setup like this, and you get this beautifully clear, deep, rumbling exhaust note like the Mustang. Now, somebody's going to say "the x-pipe links the two together, so what's the difference?" The X-pipe helps to equalize pressure in both pipes (or the strength of the pulses). But the resonance itself still makes it through.

If you route both banks through one pipe(like the 4th gen)...you get 8 pulses per two revolutions. That's double the amount, making it difficult to detect the rumble. On top of that, though, they interfere and hit into one another as they get slammed into the same pipe. This messes with the resonance, and results in the sound getting 'smoothed' out, because your ears cannot detect the separate pulses anymore. As far as sound goes, it's still deep, but it's no longer clear, nor rumbly.

Thank God for a 5thgen with true duals.

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Not to totally nerd-up this sentance...But I used to dabble in audio stuff...and this is almost the same basic theory behind mono and stereo sound systems. It has to do with resonance, specifically in this case; pulses of air.

Each bank of cylinders has four exhaust pulses per every two revolutions. In a true-dual setup, this allows those pulses to come out the tailpipe largely unmolested. So you can actually hear those pulses if you listen carefully. Consider the fact you have two banks setup like this, and you get this beautifully clear, deep, rumbling exhaust note like the Mustang. Now, somebody's going to say "the x-pipe links the two together, so what's the difference?" The X-pipe helps to equalize pressure in both pipes (or the strength of the pulses). But the resonance itself still makes it through.

If you route both banks through one pipe(like the 4th gen)...you get 8 pulses per two revolutions. That's double the amount, making it difficult to detect the rumble. On top of that, though, they interfere and hit into one another as they get slammed into the same pipe. This messes with the resonance, and results in the sound getting 'smoothed' out, because your ears cannot detect the separate pulses anymore. As far as sound goes, it's still deep, but it's no longer clear, nor rumbly.

Thank God for a 5thgen with true duals.
I like it. Makes sense.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:17 PM   #117
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yeah the camaro has 111 more hp but people seem to forget that its also like 350lbs heavier.
thank you!
2010 mustang gt isnt that far behind

edit: to be honest, i like everything about mustangs



...other than the fact its FORD!!

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