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Old 07-24-2011, 12:12 PM   #26
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The Camaro is a muscle car, not a sports car. They are very different and you can not compare the two. Muscle cars are heavy, powerful, and loud. Their look and feel is classic, and that goes for the cheesy-disco interior as well.

If you want to compare the Camaro to an affordable sports car, stack it against the Mazda Miata, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda RX-8, or Mitsubishi Eclipse. I know which one I would choose.

If you want a luxury sports car, super luxury or exotic sports car, the Camaro does not compete and should not be compared.

The Camaro has an older sister, the Corvette, that fairs well against luxury sports cars.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:57 PM   #27
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Auto or Stick - I appreciate them both. You can't shift as fast as I can with my L99 off the line. But I can't control the car as well as you with a LS3. However, my wife can drive mine. And a happy wife is a husband who can upgrade till thy kingdom come!
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Old 07-24-2011, 07:48 PM   #28
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The Camaro is a muscle car, not a sports car. They are very different and you can not compare the two. Muscle cars are heavy, powerful, and loud. Their look and feel is classic, and that goes for the cheesy-disco interior as well.

If you want to compare the Camaro to an affordable sports car, stack it against the Mazda Miata, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda RX-8, or Mitsubishi Eclipse. I know which one I would choose.

If you want a luxury sports car, super luxury or exotic sports car, the Camaro does not compete and should not be compared.

The Camaro has an older sister, the Corvette, that fairs well against luxury sports cars.
You hit it right on the head.
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Old 07-25-2011, 10:35 AM   #29
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we all have to keep in mind that there are ALOT of people out there that has a bad taste in their mouth's because of the government bail-out and it does'nt matter how good the camaro is,there is gonna be something wrong with it before the reviewing person put's his butt in the seat,
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Old 07-25-2011, 11:55 AM   #30
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I fiercely opposed the bailouts. GM needs a do-over with respect to negotiated unions contracts. Chapter 11 would have allowed GM to restructure and become solvent again. They will be back in the same boat again.

When I worked for Boeing, the machinist union was so strong that a guy installing rivets made more money than an engineer designing the aircraft structure. Same experience... The engineer had four years of college in mechanical engineering and ongoing education. The machinist graduated high school and could only do one thing.. Install rivets.
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Old 07-27-2011, 01:02 AM   #31
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I fiercely opposed the bailouts. GM needs a do-over with respect to negotiated unions contracts. Chapter 11 would have allowed GM to restructure and become solvent again. They will be back in the same boat again.

When I worked for Boeing, the machinist union was so strong that a guy installing rivets made more money than an engineer designing the aircraft structure. Same experience... The engineer had four years of college in mechanical engineering and ongoing education. The machinist graduated high school and could only do one thing.. Install rivets.
Totally agree, but since these were built in Canada, aren't they free from most union problems?
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:39 AM   #32
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The Camaro is a muscle car, not a sports car. They are very different and you can not compare the two. Muscle cars are heavy, powerful, and loud. Their look and feel is classic, and that goes for the cheesy-disco interior as well.

If you want to compare the Camaro to an affordable sports car, stack it against the Mazda Miata, Hyundai Genesis Coupe, Mazda RX-8, or Mitsubishi Eclipse. I know which one I would choose.

If you want a luxury sports car, super luxury or exotic sports car, the Camaro does not compete and should not be compared.

The Camaro has an older sister, the Corvette, that fairs well against luxury sports cars.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:33 PM   #33
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Interesting, I have owned several sports cars and this muscle car. No critic has ever liked any of them.

What's important is that we like them. I hope they manage to stay around.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:36 PM   #34
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Amen brother. As long as WE, the Owners and Drivers enjoy them, then piss off to everyone else. IMHO.

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