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Old 08-17-2011, 04:24 AM   #120
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so do we just start a new thread with a poll on it? or is there something more official?
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Old 08-17-2011, 09:34 PM   #121
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I am giving up on the Pfadt engine mounts. The car is in for repairs from a hit & run, so I am having them switch back to the OEM mounts. Will report on resonation after.
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:03 PM   #122
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It only disables when you shift to 2-3-2, then it will stay disabled the entire time you drive or untill it removed from M mode, at which time you would need to downshift, upshift and the downshift again. Mine is a 2011 and this seems to be what everyone is doing that works. Just putting it in M mode or sport mode is not going to do it.
I just drove around all day using the 2-3-2 method and it works. Wow what a difference not having the car jerking and sounding like an alternating fart can out back. Starting to wonder if the warranty IS worth the difference it makes??????
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Old 08-22-2011, 04:09 PM   #123
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I don't fully understand the 2-3-2 method. I tried shifting down to 2, then to 3, then back to 2, but the car would never leave 2nd on its own. Can you explain it?
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Old 08-22-2011, 05:00 PM   #124
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I got so pissed at AFM I sold the car. I did not want problems down the road with 4 cyl on all the time and 4 off part time. I can only image the engine imbalance that would result from years of that crap. Of course, when it's past warranty. No can do.

So, went with a tried and true LS3 with the six speed and it's night and day a different car. Thankfully I got what I wanted for the auto, and found the new SS for what I wanted the same day. That's luck. I think GM had this gimmick on the caddy a few years back with nothing but warranty issues. That coming from a Chevy mech at the dealer. You should have heard the AFM with my Flowmaster AT exhaust system, it was silly.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:58 PM   #125
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I don't fully understand the 2-3-2 method. I tried shifting down to 2, then to 3, then back to 2, but the car would never leave 2nd on its own. Can you explain it?
I always do this: after backing out of the driveway 1) I put the shifter in M to put it in S mode 2) right click into 2 M mode 3) right click into 3 4) left click neck into 2 5) start my driving....and stay in M the whole time It works for my car but annoying as hell. Just can't put up with AFM so I have to use tapshift all the time. Just want it to work as suggested by Jeff = AFM is off in S and M modes.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:12 PM   #126
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I don't fully understand the 2-3-2 method. I tried shifting down to 2, then to 3, then back to 2, but the car would never leave 2nd on its own. Can you explain it?
Just like KBUI said, I just take off in M, shift to 2nd then 3rd then 2nd again when I pull out of the driveway, then it stays off until the shifter is moved out of M. It does suck driving with the paddles, especially when making a long turn at a stop light, the paddles are upside down or in some weird position making it hard to hit them.

The different sport/competition modes don't make any difference on my (our) 2010, just the 2-3-2 combo. Sure does drive better though.
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Old 08-23-2011, 05:46 AM   #127
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I always do this: after backing out of the driveway 1) I put the shifter in M to put it in S mode 2) right click into 2 M mode 3) right click into 3 4) left click neck into 2 5) start my driving....and stay in M the whole time It works for my car but annoying as hell. Just can't put up with AFM so I have to use tapshift all the time. Just want it to work as suggested by Jeff = AFM is off in S and M modes.
Do you do this when stopped or at a slow roll?
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Old 08-23-2011, 08:23 AM   #128
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Do you do this when stopped or at a slow roll?
For me, I try do this at a stop before driving even start as (soon as I am backed out of the driveway and put the shifter in M). Although I have done it as a slow roll.
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:47 AM   #129
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But it's agreed by all that when using this method to disable it, it only stays off while in paddle-shift mode, and comes back on if you re-enter "sport" mode by holding down the "+" paddle for 2 seconds, right?

Reason I ask is that I don't ever feel it in paddle shift mode, only in "sport" and "drive" modes. Would like to know if there is a way to disable it in sport mode.
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Old 08-23-2011, 11:06 AM   #130
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But it's agreed by all that when using this method to disable it, it only stays off while in paddle-shift mode, and comes back on if you re-enter "sport" mode by holding down the "+" paddle for 2 seconds, right?

Reason I ask is that I don't ever feel it in paddle shift mode, only in "sport" and "drive" modes. Would like to know if there is a way to disable it in sport mode.
Not agreed by all. Some have claimed that AFM is working even in M mode. There was never a definitive answer from GM that AFM is OFF in any modes. There was a vague suggestion from Jeff (GM rep on the forum) that AFM should be OFF in M and S modes. However, the problem seems to be all over the place: AFM is off for some cars in M mode and off in both M and S modes for some newer cars. In some cars, it always on regardless of modes. The only way to be certain AFM is off in S or M modes is a tune which will void your warranty. If you are lucky that AFM can be turned off in M mode, then driving with paddles in the only option at this point unless you want to keep an anchor on the gas pedal to keep the engine reved up ALL the time. Don't slow down and drive like a normal driver.
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:48 PM   #131
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I sent a letter to the Service Director at my dealership asking for their assistance. They forwarded my letter to GM, and here is the response that I received:

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The long and short of it is we MUST meet criteria established by the EPA and tons of other federal agencies. I wish it was like it was in the good old days when we could do just about anything we wanted when it came to performance but it's not that way anymore. Performance cars of today and tomorrow WILL be different than in the past. That doesn't mean they wont be great cars but they will be different.

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Although I feel that this is an "easy answer", it is probably somewhat the truth. I'm sure there are things that they could do to allow us to disable it ourselves, without having to fight them over warranty issues if we do. However, I don't see how a few of us are going to get their attention. They'll just have to suffer diminished sales of the automatics, but I really doubt that they'll make the connection.

As for me, I'm convinced that I'll just give up the warranty. I love my camaro, and I'm at a point in my life where I can afford to build a new engine if I needed to. Time to play.
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Old 08-24-2011, 06:58 PM   #132
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IT'S A FREAK'N STREET LEGAL RACE CAR! GET RID OF AFM!!!!!! I did.
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:00 PM   #133
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IT'S A FREAK'N STREET LEGAL RACE CAR! GET RID OF AFM!!!!!! I did.

Did I say that out loud?
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Old 08-24-2011, 07:17 PM   #134
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Although I feel that this is an "easy answer", it is probably somewhat the truth. I'm sure there are things that they could do to allow us to disable it ourselves, without having to fight them over warranty issues if we do. However, I don't see how a few of us are going to get their attention. They'll just have to suffer diminished sales of the automatics, but I really doubt that they'll make the connection.

As for me, I'm convinced that I'll just give up the warranty. I love my camaro, and I'm at a point in my life where I can afford to build a new engine if I needed to. Time to play.

Pretty weak answer GM.......... GM has become a political BS story much like our government.... never answer the question asked and give the people a generic answer... If I didn't love my Camaro like I do.... I would never buy a GM product..... what a joke.....

Does the Mustang automatic have AFM????
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Although I feel that this is an "easy answer", it is probably somewhat the truth. I'm sure there are things that they could do to allow us to disable it ourselves, without having to fight them over warranty issues if we do. However, I don't see how a few of us are going to get their attention. They'll just have to suffer diminished sales of the automatics, but I really doubt that they'll make the connection.

As for me, I'm convinced that I'll just give up the warranty. I love my camaro, and I'm at a point in my life where I can afford to build a new engine if I needed to. Time to play.
While I do understand their potential problem with the EPA and other regulatory agencies about changing AFM, I really want a definitive answer about how AFM should work. If it's suppose to be some what random, please state it so. If it's only suppose to be active in D mode, be specific. Not giving an definitive answer is just unacceptable to the end users. My 2011 Cruze would probably be my last GM vehicle now that I see how the New GM is operating.

I wouldn't have a problem with this BS, if they just come clean. I can then make a decision on what to do with the car. Without making major mods for more power, I think it would be foolish on my part just to put in a tune so that AFM can work properly.
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Old 09-09-2011, 11:14 AM   #136
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I 2 would have probably bought a Std had I known how the AFM worked. Salesman said I wouldn't even know when it kicks in our out. (I did not know about this site until after I ordered the car.) He was and is WRONG. It sounds like a 4cyl rice burner in 4 cyl mode, even with stock exhaust. It also seems to shudder and surge when changing modes. when it changes modes and has a pause when I add a little gas before it switches back to 8 cyl mode.

I have kinda reconciled myself to the feel but still hate it.

The system is a POS.

I would not mind having the system if I could configure it so I could turn it off or on.
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