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Old 07-25-2011, 12:09 PM   #1
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Shop Lifts-Need Advice

Ok I have buil my new garage and have started trying to decide how to finish the inside.

I will be putting a lift in it. I have 12' high walls so pretty much anything will fit. I have narrowed it down to a 2 post lift for the simple fact I can access all areas of the vehicle once lifted, the problem comes in with Brand's. I did a search on google and there are so many comanies that sell lifts and since this will more than likely be done over the net/phone I wasnted to get as much information as possible of what to look for, how they are made, etc...... Kinda the do's and do not's if you will of lift buying. My garage is 30 x 42 so I have room, just not sure who makes a quality product that will last.

So if ya'll have any thoughts or input it might help me and the next guy who is thinking of buying a lift.

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check this one out. Video with all the safety features too. 72" lift height (that's the bottom of the car will be 72" off the ground). Has lock in place safety stops too

http://www.eagleequip.com/2-post-car-lifts/MTP-9F.html
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:35 PM   #3
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check this one out. Video with all the safety features too. 72" lift height (that's the bottom of the car will be 72" off the ground). Has lock in place safety stops too

http://www.eagleequip.com/2-post-car-lifts/MTP-9F.html
I checked it out.....from what I have read it appears that the better lift is one with the horizontal bar at the top instead of the bottom.

I have noticed some others come with a better warranty but in all hoonesty have no clue about all that stuff.

If the internals make a difference or not, how they are made. Not real sure what questions to ask to even know if it is a good lift or not.

While I am sure that most will be ok since it will not be an everyday use just want to make sure I get the best band for my buck.
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I can throw my two cents in here. The best top of the line is without a doubt is the Mohawk, next in line would be the Rotory, then Bend Pack. For most folks unless they reall use them a lot the Bend Pack is a very good lift. Mohawk is probably the safest, best made lift made period, but they charge for that as well. Mohawk 10,000 lb. two post 10,700
Bend pack two post 10,00 lbs 2,865
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Old 07-25-2011, 02:05 PM   #5
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I can throw my two cents in here. The best top of the line is without a doubt is the Mohawk, next in line would be the Rotory, then Bend Pack. For most folks unless they reall use them a lot the Bend Pack is a very good lift. Mohawk is probably the safest, best made lift made period, but they charge for that as well. Mohawk 10,000 lb. two post 10,700
Bend pack two post 10,00 lbs 2,865
Rotory 10,000 two post 4,500
I appreciate the info.....See this is what I am talking about. I read an article on BendPak vs Rotary.

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http://www.bestbuyautoequipment.com/Articles.asp?ID=146

actually done by Best Buy Automotive Equipment.. Pictures are really interesting.
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Though I don't have a two post lift I do own a Bend Pac Mid-Lift. (Only have 8 ft ceiling) and I will say the quality is tops. Came to me very well packaged up and hose was all assembled with caps to protct threads. Ram was clean and no defects and all accessories were clean and missing nothing. Fittings were already installed for me. Control is the same as the two post lift and it is very easy to operate. Good luck with what ever you decide.
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Old 07-25-2011, 08:09 PM   #7
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Nice thread! I am moving into a new house next week and I will also be adding lifts. Mine is 3 car, with 3 separate doors with 13' ceilings. I am going to install Liftmaster Jackstaff openers to eliminate the center tracks. I'm going to install a Racedeck floor and either Backyard Buddy lifts or one 4 post and one 2 post from Greg Smith Equipt. I am lucky that Greg Smith has a local showroom for me to check out.

Today I briefly spoke with Backyard Buddy and learned that they have a local installer, which in a case like this I think should be considered.

I look forward to reading everyone's thoughts, and will add my own experiences with the hope it might help another member.
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Old 07-26-2011, 06:28 AM   #8
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Well tried to do some more research on this subject and talked with some local mechanics in my area who have shops.

Most agree that the top center piece is a must, they say it helps stabilize the lift. The recommended for my application that a 7000 lb lift would be fine for what I am doing. I got a vary of opinions on the brand.

I looked at Backyard Buddy and they seemed high, The Bendpak seems well made, but I know alot of shops are using the Rotary lifts.

I have enough room to get just about any lift I may want ( 12 ft ceilings) so the unit size is not an issue. Unfortunately there is not a local dealer for these things in my area so I am going to have to buy one over the phone or net, Man I hate doing that just never know what you are getting in to. Luckily this is not something I have to have today and can wait till I get more knowledge on this subject.

I too look forward to more peoples comments.
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:43 AM   #9
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I watched the video on Backyard Buddy's website with Sam from the TV shows. Then I went to a local showroom from a dealer that's sells other popular brands of two post and four post lifts......all made in China.

The local dealers products are about 1/2 the cost of Backyard Buddy lifts, in the $1935-$2935 price range. And they look it! Locking mechanism is very thin about 1/4 inch and is loose inside post as shown in BB Video. Lifts are also wobbly with plastic guides everywhere you look. Even the dealer said everything is coming from China because of the labor costs. I asked him why he doesn't sell US products he said because the ones he carries are cheaper!

My opinion is as follows:

1. You get what you pay for.
2. If you can afford to consider a lift why put your $50-$100K vehicle up on anything but the best?
3. If I am going to walk under something......I want it made in the US
4. Our country is going through a rough time, so let's put Our people back to work and let the Chinese sell lifts in China.

I talked to Joe at BB and he was very helpful, so I will be ordering mine shortly. I'm closing on my house next Friday, and I want to do a final layout before I decide how many to order. When you see these lifts in person they are really quite large. I'm getting extended hight because I have 13' ceilings, but the lifts themselves have a large footprint.
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:54 PM   #10
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I have always had good luck with rotary lifts, Used them for years
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:51 PM   #11
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I can throw my two cents in here. The best top of the line is without a doubt is the Mohawk, next in line would be the Rotory, then Bend Pack. For most folks unless they reall use them a lot the Bend Pack is a very good lift. Mohawk is probably the safest, best made lift made period, but they charge for that as well. Mohawk 10,000 lb. two post 10,700
Bend pack two post 10,00 lbs 2,865
Rotory 10,000 two post 4,500
I've got a Mohawk System I...it's wayyyyy more lift than I'll ever need. Built like a tank here in the good ole USA.
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:50 PM   #12
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What type floor are you going to use? I think I am going to order Racedeck.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:42 AM   #13
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http://www.harborfreight.com/10000-l...ift-68485.html

that's pretty much what is in our shop. we bought ours from there and have had no issues.. hell it picks up the 2500hd diesel no problem.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:44 AM   #14
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I thought this thread was about shopliffting.....like from Walmart.
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Old 08-01-2011, 05:48 PM   #15
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Another big advantage with the overhead bar on the 2 post is a clear floor. I'd hate to have to work around a bar on the floor with a trans on a jack or even roll an oil catch can over it. Get a clear floor model.

As for lifts most of the info needed has already been posted. I ended up with a 9k lb 2 post Magnum lift made in Canada for snap on. I got it used from a mom and pop shop that was shutting down. It came up right as I was getting ready tp pull the trigger on one from Greg Smith equipment. The heaviest thing I'll lift is a 1/2 ton ext cab 4x4. For me this is more than adequate.

Check your concrete close. If you didnt have it poured or know who did it then double and triple check thickness and the underlying base. I poured my own pad and have over 5" under each post. I have seen where much older pads are hollow underneath due to the base course settling over time leaving as much as a 3" air gap under the concrete. Something to consider.
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Old 08-01-2011, 09:15 PM   #16
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Two posts are nice for service work, four posts are better for storage....easier on the suspension.

Backyard Buddy said there is no problem using it over Racedeck flooring. Extra large casters will allow lift to be moved if necessary.

I think I will pull the trigger next week after the Liftmaster folks are done.
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Car Craft Magazine done an article on these in the February 2010 issue. You might want to visit their website for the information.
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Old 08-02-2011, 06:50 AM   #18
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I watched the video on Backyard Buddy's website with Sam from the TV shows. Then I went to a local showroom from a dealer that's sells other popular brands of two post and four post lifts......all made in China.

The local dealers products are about 1/2 the cost of Backyard Buddy lifts, in the $1935-$2935 price range. And they look it! Locking mechanism is very thin about 1/4 inch and is loose inside post as shown in BB Video. Lifts are also wobbly with plastic guides everywhere you look. Even the dealer said everything is coming from China because of the labor costs. I asked him why he doesn't sell US products he said because the ones he carries are cheaper!

My opinion is as follows:

1. You get what you pay for.
2. If you can afford to consider a lift why put your $50-$100K vehicle up on anything but the best?
3. If I am going to walk under something......I want it made in the US
4. Our country is going through a rough time, so let's put Our people back to work and let the Chinese sell lifts in China.

I talked to Joe at BB and he was very helpful, so I will be ordering mine shortly. I'm closing on my house next Friday, and I want to do a final layout before I decide how many to order. When you see these lifts in person they are really quite large. I'm getting extended hight because I have 13' ceilings, but the lifts themselves have a large footprint.
I fully agree with you on this. I always like to buy American first, plus the fact of what I will be lifting. I guess it boils down to risk versus reward on these lifts.

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I have always had good luck with rotary lifts, Used them for years
I talked with the Race Shop ( Vengeance Racing) that does my work and this is the brand lifts they use, have not had any issues with them.

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I've got a Mohawk System I...it's wayyyyy more lift than I'll ever need. Built like a tank here in the good ole USA.
This is the only vendor I have a quote for as of now. $6550.00 delivered versus others advertised prices of about 1/3 the cost, in some cases 4 times more.

Mohawk is a little slow at responding to inquiries though. Can't seem to find a local vendor for these lifts. I did find a video of the parts comparision to other lifts and hands down the Mohawk is ALOT better made, but will just have to see.

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What type floor are you going to use? I think I am going to order Racedeck.
I am going to use some type of epoxy paint. I use a version of it at work and it works great, last about 5 years with heavy forklift traffic so in a garage it should last quite awhile.

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Car Craft Magazine done an article on these in the February 2010 issue. You might want to visit their website for the information.
Thanks for the information.
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Old 08-02-2011, 08:11 AM   #19
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Hey John,

Congrats on the new garage! I can only speak from my experience but back home dad installed this hoist system (4 post rotary)

http://www.rotarylift.com/templateProduct.aspx?id=612

He also had the optional rolling jacks installed (they roll down the center of the hoist and allow you to pick the vehicle up off the hoist for tire changes, etc..) shown here on page 4.

http://www.rotarylift.com/uploadedFi...gnment-192.pdf

He decided this would be the best route for our situation for the safety factor. Me and my 2 cousins (age 16 - 20) at the time would be the ones using it the most. Working on our personal vehicles, changing oil, fixing flats, maintaining the company vehicles, etc...
With the four post the chances of a vehicle falling off in the air slim down to almost nill, and they are more stable than a 2 post (vehicle rocking).

Just my .02, as I remembered you mentioning your nephews being around alot, and if they are like me they will definately want to use the hoist for there vehicles when the time comes.
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Hey John,

Congrats on the new garage! I can only speak from my experience but back home dad installed this hoist system (4 post rotary)

http://www.rotarylift.com/templateProduct.aspx?id=612

He also had the optional rolling jacks installed (they roll down the center of the hoist and allow you to pick the vehicle up off the hoist for tire changes, etc..) shown here on page 4.

http://www.rotarylift.com/uploadedFi...gnment-192.pdf

He decided this would be the best route for our situation for the safety factor. Me and my 2 cousins (age 16 - 20) at the time would be the ones using it the most. Working on our personal vehicles, changing oil, fixing flats, maintaining the company vehicles, etc...
With the four post the chances of a vehicle falling off in the air slim down to almost nill, and they are more stable than a 2 post (vehicle rocking).

Just my .02, as I remembered you mentioning your nephews being around alot, and if they are like me they will definately want to use the hoist for there vehicles when the time comes.
Whats up my Brother?

I appreciate the advice and information. Trying to do as much research as possible so that I can make an informed decision, LOL, but the more I learn the less I know.

I like the Mohawk because of the way it is built but the prices is crazy high. My truck is high enough to easily get under so I do not need to lift it, so other than my 63 Chevy Truck, Camaro, 73 Vette, and 72 Firebird and Kel's Hummer H3 then not much else is going to be lifted.

I like the four post idea especially for storage purposes underneath, but the functionality of cleaning the sides of vehicles, buffing, wheel well cleaning etc makes it a little more difficult with a 4 post since the drive track is in the way.

I know Vengeance uses 2 posts Rotary's and have had great luck with them, so ........
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:41 PM   #21
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IF I had the clearance and the money... I'd go 2 post all day long. I like the mohawk two post as it has a lower post height then most. also, the jack trays on teh 4 post make is so you can have some clearance....

I'm thinking since I have to be able to park I'm going with a full rise scissor lift recessed into the concrete. that way it's out of the way. bummer is .... No storage ability...

decisions decisions.
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IF I had the clearance and the money... I'd go 2 post all day long. I like the mohawk two post as it has a lower post height then most. also, the jack trays on teh 4 post make is so you can have some clearance....

I'm thinking since I have to be able to park I'm going with a full rise scissor lift recessed into the concrete. that way it's out of the way. bummer is .... No storage ability...

decisions decisions.
I thought about a recessed lift but if I ever wanted to anything underneath then I would be very limited. I have enough height to have just about any lift.

I really like the Mohawks because they are American made and the features they have but 6600.00 plus 400.00 install is quite much for a hobbyist lift. But like your said ...decisions, decision...
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$400 for installation is reasonable. I have an $800 quote for my installer to receive, deliver and install mine.
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$400 for installation is reasonable. I have an $800 quote for my installer to receive, deliver and install mine.
What kind of lift are you having installed? Who is doing your install?
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:55 PM   #25
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I have decided to go with Backyard Buddy. They sent me a list of local installers and the one closest is charging $800 to receive,deliver and install it.

I was going to order two, but I decided to start with one to make sure my garage wouldn't look like the service bay at the "Pep Boys"
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