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Old 07-27-2011, 04:33 PM   #101
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...I have heard that in 2013 we're getting a new Corvette with 740hp.
Hmmm. Where did you hear that?
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:33 PM   #102
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...I have heard that in 2013 we're getting a new Corvette with 740hp.
Hmmm. First I've heard of that. What/who is the source?
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:34 PM   #103
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Oh, I totally agree with you on this. That's why we won't hear anything about the Z28 until the ZL1 is in full swing. I'm going to bet my second Klondike bar that ZL1 sales (be surprise we hear a projection) won't meet sales expectations.
If this economy doesnt get better, I agree with you. I think the niche for the ZL1 is loyal but small. 6 months to a year after the ZL1 release I'm thinking a guy will be able to buy 1 under MSRP.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:27 PM   #104
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To me, NASCAR has broken this ground pounding out 700 hp race cars fueled with E85. I think this may be the answer to CAFE restrictions.
NASCAR uses E15, not E85.

Alcohol has always been a great race fuel because if its high octane. However, it has always been a terrible fuel in a daily driver that is expected to last more than 500 miles, and start when cold.

You are right, though, flex fuel is the perfect loophole around CAFE. Make all vehicles flex fuel to get the credit, and the buyers can just run gasoline in them.
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Old 07-27-2011, 05:29 PM   #105
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I don't know if this has been thrown out there yet, but I have heard that in 2013 we're getting a new Corvette with 740hp. Not sure if it'll be a ZR1 or not (I would imagine it will be though) but it's for the 60th anniversary. And it will be out the 5.5ltr V8. Stay tuned...


Not likely.

First problem there is that the 5.5L is a racing-only engine.
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Old 07-27-2011, 06:16 PM   #106
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Wat Scott said. . . .
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:04 PM   #107
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Idk about all this hoopla, but GM better have some Harry Potter type magic to top the AWESOME 5th gen!!! I absolutely love mine.
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:40 PM   #108
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To me, NASCAR has broken this ground pounding out 700 hp race cars fueled with E85. I think this may be the answer to CAFE restrictions.
Actually the Sprint Cup series cars crank out 850hp, but they run on E15, not E85.
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Old 07-27-2011, 10:12 PM   #109
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i say give a few options for a v8 like a updated version of the ls1 or ls7 or even a new 396. i almost think in terms of power a DOHC high compression ls1 would be a good idea. but have a new head for it to improve fuel mpg
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Old 07-27-2011, 11:40 PM   #110
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Hmmm. First I've heard of that. What/who is the source?
I work at a Chevy dealer in OH and have a customer (whose bought at least 6 car's in the last 3 yrs from us and is as reliable as a sunset) whose son works at the factory in BG (for 10 yrs). It's supposedly for the 60th anniv and to top the new Viper that's rumored to push 710hp. And i'm sure it would be of ZR1 caliber so it's not like it's going to be a base model $50G car. If I thought it was BS I wouldn't have mentioned it. And its a fact that the 'vette is moving to a 5.5ltr in the future. Don't be suprised if you see this engine in the future SS Camaro.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:34 AM   #111
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I'm hearing 54.5 CAFE by 2025
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:58 AM   #112
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I don't think the 6th Gen will be out until the Camaro's 50th anniversary. GM needs to pay for the 5th Gen before they move on to the next Camaro. With the way current sales numbers are and most of them being V6 models, there is still alot of sales need to be had before moving on. That would give the 5th Gen a 7 model year run and hopefully turn some profit somewhere in between. I would at least expect them to wait for the Mustang so they can benchmark the Camaro...
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Old 07-28-2011, 02:10 AM   #113
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Stupid if you ask me, running Camaro generations at 10+ years, then hit a goldmine with 5th gens and cut it short.
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:05 AM   #114
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Stupid if you ask me, running Camaro generations at 10+ years, then hit a goldmine with 5th gens and cut it short.
i agree i dont know why they cuting the 5th gen so short

i mean the 4th gen ran from 92 to 02 right? why cut this one short this is the best selling best looking hottest camaro ever made

for the first time EVER the camaro is beating the mustang in everthing sales votes awards EVERTHING and there going to cut it short i mean the 4th gen died due to lack of sales sorry but fact

so i mean they could have killed the 4th gen alot earlyer then 02 but they did not so this logic makes no sence to me

(i am not bashing 4th gen here pardon me if you feel like i am)
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:36 AM   #115
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Maybe they're that desperate to cut weight which is cost prohibitive on the current platform? At some point, adding power is unrealistic for the desired price point.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:24 AM   #116
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i agree i dont know why they cuting the 5th gen so short

i mean the 4th gen ran from 92 to 02 right? why cut this one short this is the best selling best looking hottest camaro ever made

for the first time EVER the camaro is beating the mustang in everthing sales votes awards EVERTHING and there going to cut it short i mean the 4th gen died due to lack of sales sorry but fact

so i mean they could have killed the 4th gen alot earlyer then 02 but they did not so this logic makes no sence to me

(i am not bashing 4th gen here pardon me if you feel like i am)
I still think the 6th Gen won't see production until a year or two after the ATS hits the street.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:16 AM   #117
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I say follow Fords new Turbo 6cyl. truck direction.. I watched something on Speed channel about that truck and it's potential, and coming from someone as GM biased as I, I am VERY impressed...

That being said, do a search for Callaway C4 Corvette.. I think if he is still alive, that he should be brought back to help us out with our power, fuel and reliability direction... I don't recall the exact year, but late 80's, early 90's, they made a C4 Vette with Twin-Turbo's do 254.8 miles per hour. What's even more amazing, is that they drove this car TO the track, made that record, then drove it home!! GM even put this vehicle up for sale WITH A WARRANTY.. Hell, the driver of the car was John Lingenfelter himself... GREAT video..

Anywho... I have faith in GM.. I may not have always agreed with the choices made, but they do come through when it counts.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:25 AM   #118
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I work at a Chevy dealer in OH and have a customer (whose bought at least 6 car's in the last 3 yrs from us and is as reliable as a sunset) whose son works at the factory in BG (for 10 yrs). It's supposedly for the 60th anniv and to top the new Viper that's rumored to push 710hp. And i'm sure it would be of ZR1 caliber so it's not like it's going to be a base model $50G car. If I thought it was BS I wouldn't have mentioned it. And its a fact that the 'vette is moving to a 5.5ltr in the future. Don't be suprised if you see this engine in the future SS Camaro.
It's not fact because it's a RACE-ONLY engine.

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Stupid if you ask me, running Camaro generations at 10+ years, then hit a goldmine with 5th gens and cut it short.
This isn't the 80s and 90s anymore. The competition is moving fast and GM needs to keep up.

I get why so many 5th gen owners are resisting this. You all want your cars to stay current. But GM is a business. They can't give in to sentiment. If Ford's releasing a new Mustang mid-decade, then GM needs to be ready to counter it.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:55 AM   #119
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I get why so many 5th gen owners are resisting this. You all want your cars to stay current. But GM is a business. They can't give in to sentiment. If Ford's releasing a new Mustang mid-decade, then GM needs to be ready to counter it.
I think most Gen5 (me included) would love to have a short run on Gen5s (just like the Gen1s) as long as the Z28 is produced on a Gen5. We own living legends. The next generation could be a better overall seller, but it's going to be hard to repeat another breath taking style. I'm not saying the Gen6 won't be a big hit, but we all know it'll have to be lighter, better visibility, better gas mileage, and more global appealing.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:20 AM   #121
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As a 5th Generation owner, it would not bother me one bit to see only a 5 year run, but I have a hard time thinking GM will not make a minor exterior change on the 5th Gen before it ends. By that I am talking a noticable grill and or tail light change on the base and SS Camaros.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:33 AM   #122
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As a 5th Generation owner, it would not bother me one bit to see only a 5 year run, but I have a hard time thinking GM will not make a minor exterior change on the 5th Gen before it ends. By that I am talking a noticable grill and or tail light change on the base and SS Camaros.

Yea, I totally agree on this. You gotta believe the so called mid-cycle change will be on the 2013 model.
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Old 07-28-2011, 11:45 AM   #123
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i don't know if it will be turbo or not, but it seems 4 cyl are the wave of the future. People can scream about it, and i don't love it, but at the same time they aren't the same 4 cyls from 30 years ago.

The day that Chevrolet puts a Turbo 4 in a Newer Generation Camaro is the day that I never buy another American Car. That also being said if the Camaro is changed to a Turbo 6 the same idea applies to me.

I'm fine if they keep the economy version with a V6 or whatever but don't get rid of the V8. A Camaro without a V8 is like sex without the woman IMHO.
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Old 07-28-2011, 12:03 PM   #124
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The day that Chevrolet puts a Turbo 4 in a Newer Generation Camaro is the day that I never buy another American Car. That also being said if the Camaro is changed to a Turbo 6 the same idea applies to me.

I'm fine if they keep the economy version with a V6 or whatever but don't get rid of the V8. A Camaro without a V8 is like sex without the woman IMHO.
I don't ever see a V8 not being an option. But the cost of entry for the 8 will just be much higher than current pricing.
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The amount of time energy and money that went into our current Zeta platform makes me think it isn't going anywhere soon. Look at the performance it offers straight off the lot. The sales have been strong in a raunchy economy. I would love the current Gen 5 to be retired immediately as it would guarantee mine near certain classic status, but l I think Chevy will continue to make them and make the money off them for quite a while yet.
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