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Old 03-07-2012, 11:13 AM   #171
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Both Camaro and Mustang each have eleven trims not including any Special or Limited Editions.
now look at the special/limited editions. which one has more. that would be the mustang.
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Old 03-07-2012, 11:59 AM   #172
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now look at the special/limited editions. which one has more. that would be the mustang.
Huh?

Mustang: V6: Base, Premium, Base Convertible, Premium Convertible; GT: Base, Premium, Base Convertible, Premium Convertible; Boss 302, Boss 302 LS, GT500, GT500 COnvertible. I count 12. 11 if you don't count the LS Boss as a separate model.

Camaro has the same thing, minus the Boss 302 compatible model, so they have 10.

Then you have the "Special/Limited Edition" Camaros:

45th Anniversary Edition
Transformers Edition
Synergy Edition
Honor and Valor Edition
Pace Car Edition
Neiman Marcus Edition

What special editions does the Mustang have?
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:11 PM   #173
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Huh?

Mustang: V6: Base, Premium, Base Convertible, Premium Convertible; GT: Base, Premium, Base Convertible, Premium Convertible; Boss 302, Boss 302 LS, GT500, GT500 COnvertible. I count 12. 11 if you don't count the LS Boss as a separate model.

Camaro has the same thing, minus the Boss 302 compatible model, so they have 10.

Then you have the "Special/Limited Edition" Camaros:

45th Anniversary Edition
Transformers Edition
Synergy Edition
Honor and Valor Edition
Pace Car Edition
Neiman Marcus Edition

What special editions does the Mustang have?
45th Anniversary Edition
Bullitt
GT California Special
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary
Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT
Shelby GT500KR
Warriors in Pink

That doesn't take into account all the Roush cars and the rest of the Shelby cars.
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:23 PM   #174
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45th Anniversary Edition
Bullitt
GT California Special
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary
Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT
Shelby GT500KR
Warriors in Pink

That doesn't take into account all the Roush cars and the rest of the Shelby cars.
thank you. . .

add in the Laguna seca edition boss
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Old 03-07-2012, 03:45 PM   #175
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45th Anniversary Edition
Bullitt
GT California Special
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary
Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT
Shelby GT500KR
Warriors in Pink

That doesn't take into account all the Roush cars and the rest of the Shelby cars.
The Shelby GT, GT-H, and GT500KR are not Ford Mustang special editions, they're just cars modified by Shelby. In fact, none of the Shelby cars (including the GT500) are special editions. Same with Roush, Saleen, SMS, and anyone else that does Mustangs. Similarly, the cars done by Lingenfelter, SLP, SMS (yes, they do both Camaro's and Mustangs), Hennessey, and so on are not 'special editions' either.
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...but NOT a Z/28...yet...
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Old 03-07-2012, 06:33 PM   #177
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The older you get you learn waiting is best....? LOL...... Older people tend to cut to the chase because time is so important! "Git R Dun".... However, that said, in my sincerest tone.... I'm in the camp the Z28 will be Gen 6 and done RIGHT. I just don't see how they can "do it right" with the time/platform we have. The 14s are coming out in about 15 months. and the 15's in about 27 months. This car took a year to design, year to test and roll out, and it's not been determined to be the KING yet! By us it is, but til it really hits the street and gets its wings/street cred/strip fred. I can see a whole YEAR of ZL1 getting all the limelight! Now, they might launch the 15's early and call it a 14 1/2 with the Z. And it will be killer. OK Ive talked my self to sleep. zZZZZZZZZZZZ
Maybe then I'm not old yet.

They could already have been testing a Z28/1LE without anyone's external knowledge? Remember the every 6 months comment?
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:30 PM   #178
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Remember how long ago that-there car in my avatar was tourin' the 'Ring?! You know...Ram Air car...
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:35 PM   #179
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Seems like the ZL1 already does the job of a Z28, its faster around a track than the Boss. What would the Z28 compete with? The ZL1 is track ready. Seems like they combined the ZL1 and Z28s of the past into the 2012 ZL1. I dont see a Z28 coming out until the 6th gen.
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Ummmm...Ram Air...ahhhhummm...ohhhh...you mean...the Z**?
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:43 PM   #181
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The supercharged ZL1 adequately covers the supercharged GT 500...and everything else in this Class.

An unboosted ZEE would adequately cover all the other unboosted cars...BOSS, too. At a more affordable price...

There's a va$t gap 'tween 2SSs and ZL1s...best part of $20Gs...that should be adequately filled...

Besides, we need sumthin' for the SS folks to aspire to...within the GM fold, at a payment they can swing.
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:26 PM   #182
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Seems like the ZL1 already does the job of a Z28, its faster around a track than the Boss. What would the Z28 compete with? The ZL1 is track ready. Seems like they combined the ZL1 and Z28s of the past into the 2012 ZL1. I dont see a Z28 coming out until the 6th gen.
Let me see if I can touch on a few points of what we Z/28 holdouts really want. We want a NA (naturally aspirated) engine, not an engine which may be prone to heat soak. We want a vehicle that accurately represents the original heritage of the Z/28. We want a vehicle that pricewise slots between the 2SS and the ZL1, with 15k-20k dollars, there is a huge price gap between the SS and ZL1. We don't want the Z/28 combined with, mixed with, confused with, similar to or any other combination or similarity, in short we want a Z/28. We want an affordable high performance Camaro that performs better than the base V8 SS with far less cost than the ZL1. Is that so hard to understand??
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Old 03-07-2012, 08:29 PM   #183
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thank you. . .

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45th Anniversary Edition
Bullitt
GT California Special
Iacocca Silver 45th Anniversary
Shelby GT-H
Shelby GT
Shelby GT500KR
Warriors in Pink

That doesn't take into account all the Roush cars and the rest of the Shelby cars.
The only car not made by Shelby is the GT500. All the other Shelby models are just aftermarket modded Mustangs and are not considered Ford models. The 45th Anniversary, the Bullit, and the WiP were made by Ford. The California Special is just graphics and a different front facia, and not considered a separate model by itself. No different than the GFX package on the Camaro. The Iacocca Mustang is not made by Ford either. So out of those, the only one that is still in production would be the GT/CS, but like I said, it's not a separate model from a regular GT.
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The only car not made by Shelby is the GT500. All the other Shelby models are just aftermarket modded Mustangs and are not considered Ford models. The 45th Anniversary, the Bullit, and the WiP were made by Ford. The California Special is just graphics and a different front facia, and not considered a separate model by itself. No different than the GFX package on the Camaro. The Iacocca Mustang is not made by Ford either. So out of those, the only one that is still in production would be the GT/CS, but like I said, it's not a separate model from a regular GT.
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.... They have wait to many trims and special editions as it is as a 5th Gen.
Now, going with your argument that the GT/CS isn't a special edition (it is because it changes the appearance more than GFX, stickers aren't GFX, grill insert isn't GFX etc). Then All things are equal between the two. and that would be 6 coupes and 5 convertibles for the mustang. While GM has 6 coupes and 4 convertibles for now soon to be 5 (ZL1 vert). That looks pretty even to me. now you start talking about all the mustang appearance packages and such compared to the camaro. the mustang has more. it will always have more. and that's due to the fan base of the mustang being larger then the camaro. Along with a more cult following by the older generations.
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Is this the Z28 section???
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Maybe then I'm not old yet.

They could already have been testing a Z28/1LE without anyone's external knowledge? Remember the every 6 months comment?
If we see a Gen5 Z/28, I think it'll be the 1LE concept with the new Vette engine.
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Old 03-08-2012, 08:54 AM   #187
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If we see a Gen5 Z/28, I think it'll be the 1LE concept with the new Vette engine.
I'd be fine with that but I wouldn't want to wait that long. I highly doubt they would release the new V-8 in the fifth gen before the Corvette.
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