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Old 03-08-2012, 02:39 PM   #188
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If we see a Gen5 Z/28, I think it'll be the 1LE concept with the new Vette engine.
The new Vette engine will also be the new Camaro SS engine and the new Holden Commodore HSV engine and ...
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:22 PM   #189
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I'd be fine with that but I wouldn't want to wait that long. I highly doubt they would release the new V-8 in the fifth gen before the Corvette.
I agree, but once upon a time it did happen, in '67 the brand new 350cid SBC engine went into the Camaro SS a whole year before that engine showed up in the Vette.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:40 AM   #190
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I agree, but once upon a time it did happen, in '67 the brand new 350cid SBC engine went into the Camaro SS a whole year before that engine showed up in the Vette.
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Ok. stupid question time...what is an SBC engine?
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Ok. stupid question time...what is an SBC engine?
SBC= small block chevrolet. You sometimes need to specify SBC or BBC (big block chevrolet) as the engine sizes overlap. There was a 348 BBC derivative of the 409 BBC (so 2 ci less than the 350) and we've seen 427 SBCs which are not to be confused with 427 BBCs. It's simply a way to narrow down what engine you are talking about.
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SBC= small block chevrolet. You sometimes need to specify SBC or BBC (big block chevrolet) as the engine sizes overlap. There was a 348 BBC derivative of the 409 BBC (so 2 ci less than the 350) and we've seen 427 SBCs which are not to be confused with 427 BBCs. It's simply a way to narrow down what engine you are talking about.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:03 PM   #193
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Let me see if I can touch on a few points of what we Z/28 holdouts really want. We want a NA (naturally aspirated) engine, not an engine which may be prone to heat soak. We want a vehicle that accurately represents the original heritage of the Z/28. We want a vehicle that pricewise slots between the 2SS and the ZL1, with 15k-20k dollars, there is a huge price gap between the SS and ZL1. We don't want the Z/28 combined with, mixed with, confused with, similar to or any other combination or similarity, in short we want a Z/28. We want an affordable high performance Camaro that performs better than the base V8 SS with far less cost than the ZL1. Is that so hard to understand??
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Its not hard to understand, Im just pointing out that the ZL1 seems to fit the role of a Z28, that being a track car.

The first gen ZL1s seemed to be mainly drag racing inspired vehicles while the Z28 was the track car. It seems like the 2012 ZL1 has combined both these elements into one vehicle making a Z28 redundant.

If anything the Z28 should be an add on package that would take the LS3/L99 and have them be fully built from the factory with warranty. In addition suspension and brake upgrades as well as some kind of unique exterior cues.
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Its not hard to understand, Im just pointing out that the ZL1 seems to fit the role of a Z28, that being a track car.

The first gen ZL1s seemed to be mainly drag racing inspired vehicles while the Z28 was the track car. It seems like the 2012 ZL1 has combined both these elements into one vehicle making a Z28 redundant.

If anything the Z28 should be an add on package that would take the LS3/L99 and have them be fully built from the factory with warranty. In addition suspension and brake upgrades as well as some kind of unique exterior cues.
Sorry, you still don't get it and I'm tired of explaining.
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Old 03-09-2012, 10:35 PM   #195
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If anything the Z28 should be an add on package that would take the LS3/L99 and have them be fully built from the factory with warranty. In addition suspension and brake upgrades as well as some kind of unique exterior cues.

GM is saving the 775 HP triple turbo 6 cylinder (TTS) for the new Z/28.

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Old 03-09-2012, 11:29 PM   #196
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Sorry, you still don't get it and I'm tired of explaining.
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Those were mature responses. Sorry you've failed to explain why GM will make the car. All you did was tell me what you wanted the Z28 to be and Im stating my opinion on why I dont think they will make one.


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There are a number of threads in this section to fill you in on our thoughts, ideas, etc. Regarding why GM should build a Z28. Please save us from regurgitating the same thoughts for the umpteenth time. Thanks.
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Do be a moderate here (kinda what I need to do as a moderator)

There isn't really anything wrong with having a Z28 as an SS with a suspension and brake upgrade from the factory. At the same time, many of the Z28 faithful would appreciate having a little ... more than that. Thats all. Can you both agree to that?
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:04 AM   #199
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There isn't really anything wrong with having a Z28 as an SS with a suspension and brake upgrade from the factory. At the same time, many of the Z28 faithful would appreciate having a little ... more than that. Thats all. Can you both agree to that?
Im not even trying to discuss what exactly a Z28 would have and thats why people are getting confused. The title of the thread is, "will there be a Z28?"

Im just discussing my opinion on why I dont think it will be created but apparently people explaining why THEY want it somehow provides reason for why they will make it?

Can no one else see the logical failure here?
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:18 AM   #200
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Those were mature responses. Sorry you've failed to explain why GM will make the car. All you did was tell me what you wanted the Z28 to be and Im stating my opinion on why I dont think they will make one.


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Why?? As we have stated for the 4,375th time, to fill a price point in the huge price gap between the SS and the ZL1, or did you miss that somewhere??
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Why?? As we have stated for the 4,375th time, to fill a price point in the huge price gap between the SS and the ZL1, or did you miss that somewhere??
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Can you cut the attitude? If you arent interested in discussing this and it frustrates you, then dont.

Now as far as price point, that is a fair point. Problem I see is, if the price difference is about 20k (can we agree on that?), then the items a Z28 will have will put it in the middle of a SS and ZL1, which is what you want. The ZL1 is already a track star, so what parts would differ from a ZL1 and Z28 that could even bring it down 10k?

Essentially what Im saying is, if you take about 10k out of a ZL1, an already track ready car, what do you have? Im not sure you could get a car worthy of being a Z28. It took GM about 20k in price to make an SS a track monster and Im unsure its possible using a new engine like you guys want, for 10k.
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Im not even trying to discuss what exactly a Z28 would have and thats why people are getting confused. The title of the thread is, "will there be a Z28?"

Im just discussing my opinion on why I dont think it will be created but apparently people explaining why THEY want it somehow provides reason for why they will make it?

Can no one else see the logical failure here?
The logical failure is your lack of reading comprehension and/or understanding of what the Z/28 heritage really is, the various price points said vehicles would hit, and the market share that each would attract. All of this has been stated thousands of times over and over on dozens or hundreds of threads in the Z/28 forum. Now perhaps you have missed that info along the way, that's pretty easy to do if you don't follow the threads here on a regular basis. Most of the people responding on these threads on a regular basis have been following them for YEARS, there is not much we have not heard about what Chevy will or will not build, why they will or will not build it, and what it should or should not consist of. And you also have to realize that we get hit with naysayers on a regular basis and get tired of constantly regurgitating the same facts, figures and info over and over and over. It's kind of like the music synthesizer forum I moderate, spammers were a once in a while problem and we gave people the benefit of doubt until they openly spammed, now we've had so much of it that newly registered users are banned immediately if there is the slightest bit of "wonkiness" in their profile. I have no problem is saying "bye bye" to any of them and if we lose one or two "real people" in the process, so be it. So that's a little of the thought process going on with myself and I'm sure some other Z/28 forum regulars. And before you say YET AGAIN that we are not stating why GM/Chevy would build the Z/28, see the above mentions about price point and market share, we feel there is a potential for buyers in that near 20k wasteland between the SS and the ZL1.
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Old 03-10-2012, 08:40 AM   #203
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Can you cut the attitude? If you arent interested in discussing this and it frustrates you, then dont.

Now as far as price point, that is a fair point. Problem I see is, if the price difference is about 20k (can we agree on that?), then the items a Z28 will have will put it in the middle of a SS and ZL1, which is what you want. The ZL1 is already a track star, so what parts would differ from a ZL1 and Z28 that could even bring it down 10k?

Essentially what Im saying is, if you take about 10k out of a ZL1, an already track ready car, what do you have? Im not sure you could get a car worthy of being a Z28. It took GM about 20k in price to make an SS a track monster and Im unsure its possible using a new engine like you guys want, for 10k.
My friend, you have not seen attitude from anyone here YET. Please do us all a favor and go read the info in dozens of threads full of information about why there is a nneed for Chevy to build a Z/28.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:01 AM   #204
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I can tell you really arent interested in discussing this, like you said youve done it many timess. I dont think you really want to hear anything that doubts the creation of a Z28 so no matter what I say you arent going to change your mind. Thus im going to exit stage right.

Good luck and I do hope you get your Z28 some day, I just dont see it happening until the 6th gen. Hopefully for all of you Im wrong.
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