whats faster...

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

I smoke mustangs all day every day.

Cool, very impressive.

[gjarzabek009]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Cool, very impressive.

Thanks!

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

I smoke mustangs all day every day.

The Cigarette or the car?

[gjarzabek009]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

The Cigarette or the car?

Both at the same time.

[lil_chef]

Originally Posted by gjarzabek009

I smoke mustangs all day every day.

not with those wheels you don't

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by REEFBLUE93

Let's not go overboard here man. You aren't the all mighty slayer of V8 Mustangs. You've surely beaten a few because you're modded and they probably had the dreaded axle backs or a K&N air filter. You're not "destroying" 09 and down V8 Mustangs.

Of course u read my post thinking i said im the all mighty slayer which i even stated i know alot of them can beat me and yes i actually have beaten 09 and down and some 10's its not a impossible feat idk why u ppl cant understand that im just going off of most of you saying o the v8 stang puts 8 car lengths between the v6 which is a straight up lie so to the OP yes you have a good chance to beat a stock gt mustang

[calbert1999]

Is this a trick questions? Aren't GT's 8cyl.?

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Of course u read my post thinking i said im the all mighty slayer which i even stated i know alot of them can beat me and yes i actually have beaten 09 and down and some 10's its not a impossible feat idk why u ppl cant understand that im just going off of most of you saying o the v8 stang puts 8 car lengths between the v6 which is a straight up lie so to the OP yes you have a good chance to beat a stock gt mustang

Thank you but you're beating your head against a wall here and it's honestly a waste of time trying to get some of these guys to believe that just occasionally the driver might be as important as the car.

[8cd03gro]

The driver is more important than the car and in many cases the camaro COULD win due to driving errors in the mustang, but there's no denying that in an ideal situation for both cars, a manual, coupe 05-10 gt will spank a manual, coupe v6 camaro. Sorry, there are no two ways about it. Plenty of people run mid 13s in 3v GTs, hell I've done it myself. The fastest I've ever heard of a stock v6 camaro running is a 14.0. That's a beat down.

[SWAT 79]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

why u ppl cant understand that im just going off of most of you saying o the v8 stang puts 8 car lengths between the v6 which is a straight up lie

Silly silly, not a lie, but the truth. I know it's hard to admit, but an 05-09 mustang gt will put about 8 tenths on the equivalent v-6 camaro (being auto/manual, coupe/convert), which equates to 8 car lengths (so let's say 5, for a bad driver) . A 10 gt will put about 9 car lenghts (or 9 thents/1 second faster in the 1/4) on a v-6 camaro (so let's say 7, for a bad driver).

If the driver is so bad that it's actually closer then the above, then the driver in the mustang just isn't driving.

The first step is acceptance...

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by MichaelH

Of course u read my post thinking i said im the all mighty slayer which i even stated i know alot of them can beat me and yes i actually have beaten 09 and down and some 10's its not a impossible feat idk why u ppl cant understand that im just going off of most of you saying o the v8 stang puts 8 car lengths between the v6 which is a straight up lie so to the OP yes you have a good chance to beat a stock gt mustang

I never said a V8 Mustang would put bus lengths on a V6 Camaro

A 2011 V8 would put bus lengths on you though, so would a BOSS and a GT500. Again, I have no doubts about you beating some 05-09 V8 Mustangs in your modified Camaro. You didn't "destroy" them, as you put it, though. I have beaten a few Vettes and 5th Gen SS's but I don't think I've ever just "destroyed" one...

[KMPrenger]

..and here we go venturing into apples versus oranges territory. MichealH...with your modified setup I bet you probably could give GTs a good run on the road...no doubt. A decently modified Camaro V6 should not get spanked by a stock GT.

Look, I love my V6...period. But in ideal situations, with comparibly equipped cars, and both cars driven to their potential, the GT should win hands down.

In my opinion, simply being able to hang with an 05 - 09 GT with basic bolt ons on the V6 is a great achievement. Now just imagine if the Camaro wasn't such a heavy car how things would stack up...oh how that would be so nice!

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by 8cd03gro

The driver is more important than the car and in many cases the camaro COULD win due to driving errors in the mustang, but there's no denying that in an ideal situation for both cars, a manual, coupe 05-10 gt will spank a manual, coupe v6 camaro. Sorry, there are no two ways about it. Plenty of people run mid 13s in 3v GTs, hell I've done it myself. The fastest I've ever heard of a stock v6 camaro running is a 14.0. That's a beat down.

And I've seen plenty of them mud-stains run low to mid 14's just as I've seen LS3 Camaros run mid to high 13's.
You're looking at it as if the driver's are equal when in most cases they're not. I've spanked many a faster car on reaction time and launch alone so get over the BS. I've also had my stuff handed to me by the same car when they've got their sheot together. It doesn't take the one run out of the equation.

[usa1camaro1969]

Originally Posted by SWAT 79

The first step is acceptance...

I accept the fact the v6 Camaro isn't a rocketship. I never laid claim it was.
Now you accept the fact that you've never actually been to a racetrack and always get your facts and numbers from forums.

The first step is acceptance...

[Angrybird 12]

I have a stock V6 Camaro. If I was going to take it to the track I wouldn't be going there to beat anyone, I would be going there to put down the fastest times I could to satisfy myself. And if I beat someone along the way that is ok. I Would just go to improve my driving skills, not to see who had bragging rights. But that is just me. I am not going to tell people I can beat this car or that car based on my opinion, I know there are plenty of faster cars out there that can whoop mine. But then again i didn't buy my car to Race, I bought it to DRIVE...

[WE485]

I was at the track a few months ago with 2 buddys that both have mustangs. one bolt on manual car ran 13.8's while the stock auto ran 14.6's. these cars are just like every other car and driver out there. to sit here and say any car for sure will go this fast is not reality and you need to get out of your moms basement and see the world. the night I went, a guy with a v6 5th gen was running 13.9's. the following monday me and wife went and traded her 01 v6 in and bought the 11 ls m6. I have even seen a few off the all mighty 5.0's at the track, seen a couple of those in the mid to high 13's also seen one go 12.0. it is what is. like what you like race what you race and have fun.

[Shu71]

These threads always crack me up. Skyman that was very well put.
To the OP. There are very few bone stock last generation Mustangs on the roads today. So know thy enemy if you want to challenge to battle. If you are going to duke it out with one at the dragstrip, then you will likely lose unless there is something wrong with the Mustang or it's driver. On the street though it is a little different. What I have found is with the Pirelli stickies on the Camaro I can lauch mine a lot harder and quicker than some of the last gen Mustangs and this makes it much closer than a track result, again if they don't have some nice meats on theirs. I've won a few but I am not naive and think it is because the V6 Camaro is quicker than the Stang. It's just on the street it adds in more variables that you may be able to take advantage of or which may kick your butt. But apples to apples the Mustang GT has an average of a half second or so built in car advantage over the V6 Camaro.

Does the LS have the 2.92 gears of something like that whereas the LT's have the 3:27's?

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Shu71

Does the LS have the 2.92 gears of something like that whereas the LT's have the 3:27's?

I thought the Manuals Had the 2:92's and the Automatics had the 3:27's
I know that is how it used to be in the old days.


PS I just did some searches and from all that I have read the V6 2010 and 2011's had the same 3:27 ratio in both automatic and manual transmissions. I didn"t check to see if maybe the internal transmission gearing has changed though.

[MichaelH]

This is hopeless your not reading correctly i said nothing about the 5.0,Boss, or GT500 which i know would beat me bad all i have been stating in a real world race the OP has a good chance to win against a GT i mean most of my buddy's have them and we race alot and most of it is actually at the track and some jus for fun on a back road, but to go off magazines or articles for times when i guarantee the results will vary from race to race and driver to driver Also i never stated that my V6 is the fastest v8 killer or anything like that I've just went off all my REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES in racing them and found out in the real world it is way closer than in a magazine. Also im not stating that my V6 is the fastest car either so dont try and say im saying that and i do except that it gets beat by alot of cars but who cares so does alot of vehicles but i like the look of my car way better than any other car on the road that i have seen.

[Shu71]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

I thought the Manuals Had the 2:92's and the Automatics had the 3:27's
I know that is how it used to be in the old days.


PS I just did some searches and from all that I have read the V6 2010 and 2011's had the same 3:27 ratio in both automatic and manual transmissions. I didn"t check to see if maybe the internal transmission gearing has changed though.

in 2011 the 2LS had the 2.92:1 rear gears with the automatic transmission. I think the 1LS, 1LT and 2 LT with auto or manual all have the 3.27:1 gears. The 2LS was Chevy's attempt to push the gas mileage higher and it yielded an extra 1 mpg at least from what they state on the specs page. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-coupe/features-specs/

MichaelH, FWIW I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But you do have a modified car and not in stock form. I too have some doubts about magazine articles accuracy and lack of influence by personal preferences or politics by supporting advertisers etc. But if you gather enough information from a wide variety or those sources and you tend to see the Mustang GT would have the edge on the track with "professional" drivers. The problem is many times the two vehicles comparing were not ran on the same track, same lane, same driver and the same exact time and weather conditions. But again the law of large numbers with enough varying results and the edge has to go to the Mustang GT. To give an example of how driver skills varies, look how many cars are running higher than the Pro's did even when they have modifications. SO I have to agree, put driver skills or lack thereof into the equation and who knows what will happen. All I was saying is that all equal (driver, track, time, conditions, stock vs. stock, and on and on) and the Mustang GT in this case should have the edge.

[Stew]

Originally Posted by Skyman 08

I have a stock V6 Camaro. If I was going to take it to the track I wouldn't be going there to beat anyone, I would be going there to put down the fastest times I could to satisfy myself. And if I beat someone along the way that is ok. I Would just go to improve my driving skills, not to see who had bragging rights. But that is just me. I am not going to tell people I can beat this car or that car based on my opinion, I know there are plenty of faster cars out there that can whoop mine. But then again i didn't buy my car to Race, I bought it to DRIVE...

Bingo, heck I used to take my old CV interceptor to the track and run it and it was a 16 second car, but it was fun

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Shu71

in 2011 the 2LS had the 2.92:1 rear gears with the automatic transmission. I think the 1LS, 1LT and 2 LT with auto or manual all have the 3.27:1 gears. The 2LS was Chevy's attempt to push the gas mileage higher and it yielded an extra 1 mpg at least from what they state on the specs page. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-coupe/features-specs/
MichaelH, FWIW I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But you do have a modified car and not in stock form. I too have some doubts about magazine articles accuracy and lack of influence by personal preferences or politics by supporting advertisers etc. But if you gather enough information from a wide variety or those sources and you tend to see the Mustang GT would have the edge on the track with "professional" drivers. The problem is many times the two vehicles comparing were not ran on the same track, same lane, same driver and the same exact time and weather conditions. But again the law of large numbers with enough varying results and the edge has to go to the Mustang GT. To give an example of how driver skills varies, look how many cars are running higher than the Pro's did even when they have modifications. SO I have to agree, put driver skills or lack thereof into the equation and who knows what will happen. All I was saying is that all equal (driver, track, time, conditions, stock vs. stock, and on and on) and the Mustang GT in this case should have the edge.

Ahh I always wondered about the 1LS and 2LS deal on the 2011's. I see the 2LS is ONLY availible with an automatic...Thanks for clearing that up..

[wbt]

Whole argument can be summed up in one word.....

delusional

[REEFBLUE93]

Originally Posted by wbt

Whole argument can be summed up in one word.....

delusional

There are a couple of others that come to mind but I like delusional here as well...

[MichaelH]

Originally Posted by Shu71

in 2011 the 2LS had the 2.92:1 rear gears with the automatic transmission. I think the 1LS, 1LT and 2 LT with auto or manual all have the 3.27:1 gears. The 2LS was Chevy's attempt to push the gas mileage higher and it yielded an extra 1 mpg at least from what they state on the specs page. http://www.chevrolet.com/camaro-coupe/features-specs/

MichaelH, FWIW I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But you do have a modified car and not in stock form. I too have some doubts about magazine articles accuracy and lack of influence by personal preferences or politics by supporting advertisers etc. But if you gather enough information from a wide variety or those sources and you tend to see the Mustang GT would have the edge on the track with "professional" drivers. The problem is many times the two vehicles comparing were not ran on the same track, same lane, same driver and the same exact time and weather conditions. But again the law of large numbers with enough varying results and the edge has to go to the Mustang GT. To give an example of how driver skills varies, look how many cars are running higher than the Pro's did even when they have modifications. SO I have to agree, put driver skills or lack thereof into the equation and who knows what will happen. All I was saying is that all equal (driver, track, time, conditions, stock vs. stock, and on and on) and the Mustang GT in this case should have the edge.

Shu im not arguing with you., but yes you are correct if both were pro drivers it would be an edge to the mustang gt i nvr disagreed with that all i was stating is that in a real world it can be done b/c not everyone is a pro at racing so yes i agree on the whole if both were equal drivers the mustang shld win but the op has to race and see who is better. Also yes i know my car is modified and no where near stock form lol, but it's just pointless to try and tell ppl that the mustang gt can be beat by the v6 camaro stock b/c it has happened. Good info on the gear ratio to didnt know the 2011 ls had only 2.92 i thought that was only for the 2012 models