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Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 08:39 AM

Here's a link on new CAFE Standards announced today:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43936296/ns/business-autos/

evan · 07-29-2011, 08:51 AM

Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

SlingShot · 07-29-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by evan

Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

evan · 07-29-2011, 08:56 AM

Gotcha, makes sense... also kind've relieved, lol.

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 09:09 AM

What's the current CAFE fleet standard ???

*The Stig* · 07-29-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot

They don't have to, it's a fleet standard or average.

thank you. So many people don't realize that CAFE is for the average fuel economy for a company's entire line

Xello · 07-29-2011, 09:49 AM

CAFE = Corporate Average Fuel Economy

Havok · 07-29-2011, 09:52 AM

It never ended Ferrari, Porsche, and Maseratis from selling cars in the US. They just pay the penalty.

"A number of manufacturers choose to pay CAFE penalties rather than attempt to comply with the regulations. As of model year 2006, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Volkswagen, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati failed to meet CAFE requirements.[24]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

Todd3544 · 07-29-2011, 10:05 AM

Plus US companies can get "fuel credits" that are rewarded by the government from building hybrids and alternative vehicles which also increase their fleet average. MB went out and invested in those little golf carts that are street legal, which sent their fleet average through the roof. That's how they build a AMG that gets 12/16, and pay no penalties. Plus its all political anyways, so it really never matters.

*The_Blur* · 07-29-2011, 10:07 AM

It is worth pointing out that CAFE is weighted by production. For instance, the Corvette affects GM far less than the Cruze because GM produces and sells fewer Corvettes than Cruzes. As a consequence, the Cruze helps GM more than the Corvette hurts GM.

motorhead · 07-29-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

It is worth pointing out that CAFE is weighted by production. For instance, the Corvette affects GM far less than the Cruze because GM produces and sells fewer Corvettes than Cruzes. As a consequence, the Cruze helps GM more than the Corvette hurts GM.

But on the other hand, The camaro could have a real impact in the average with the production numbers they've been putting up.

AZCamaroFan · 07-29-2011, 11:58 AM

Exactly. People can say it's an average all they want, but that is a huge number. There aren't any cars today that are even getting that number on the highway, other than hybrid's.

Cam#7 · 07-29-2011, 12:54 PM

Well, lots of good information shared here. Sounds like the CAFE standard for 2010 was 27.5 when the Gen5 came out. So between the V6 and V8 it was right around the targeted average. The average for 2015 is 36.7. That's going to take a much lighter body and more fuel efficiency.

Maybe someone could do the math and estimate the mpg using todays engines but on a 3,200 lb. frame versus a 3,700 lb. frame.

Soloshawn · 07-29-2011, 03:40 PM

With the new Government standards starting in 2017 will this kill the supposed new 6th Gen Camaro? At 54 mpg even with some really high mpg cars to balance out the lower mpg cars the end of the big V8 is very near. I will be keeping my 5th Gen car forever now. Chevrolet would keep the Corvette as it's low mpg car for performance and drop the Camaro.

BLcamaro10 · 07-29-2011, 03:53 PM

BS

Indpowr · 07-29-2011, 03:55 PM

2025 is 54mpg

woodstock · 07-29-2011, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Soloshawn

With the new Government standards starting in 2017 will this kill the supposed new 6th Gen Camaro? At 54 mpg even with some really high mpg cars to balance out the lower mpg cars the end of the big V8 is very near. I will be keeping my 5th Gen car forever now. Chevrolet would keep the Corvette as it's low mpg car for performance and drop the Camaro.

Beg your pardon the new C-6 vette gets 32-33 miles per gallon,I get 30 with my C-5 vette.

Havok · 07-29-2011, 03:57 PM

Pretty sure by then there will be a ton of all electric vehicles.

Dznts · 07-29-2011, 03:59 PM

its all a consipiracy..lol..

fielderLS3 · 07-29-2011, 04:02 PM

54 MPG will never actually go through by 2025, because sanity will eventually prevail.

Second, CAFE has so many loopholes, you don't actually need 54 MPG to say you get 54 MPG. For example, I've heard that a Suburban already gets about 35 MPG.

cab2g · 07-29-2011, 04:03 PM

to be honest, if there is a market for it, there is no way manufacturers will stop selling V8s. Yes they will get more expensive, but you know what, it's all about priorities in life. If you really want the V8 be prepared for the $20/gal gas in 2025 and stiff guzzler taxes as well.

ibmrs · 07-29-2011, 04:04 PM

I'd worry a lot more about the gm engineers throwing out junk and the damn bean counters destroying the camaro with the 6th-7th gen than i would the government enforcing those new regulations any where near 2025.

fielderLS3 · 07-29-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cab2g

to be honest, if there is a market for it, there is no way manufacturers will stop selling V8s. Yes they will get more expensive, but you know what, it's all about priorities in life. If you really want the V8 be prepared for the $20/gal gas in 2025 and stiff guzzler taxes as well.

Not gonna happen.

cab2g · 07-29-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Not gonna happen.

well let me ask you this, how much did gas cost 15 years ago? Under $1 right? Well we're 4x that now. This is the new low. Mark my words. multipy by 4 again you get 16. close enough to $20 for me. Even if that doesn't happen. It'll definitely be at least double what we're paying now. I don't know a single 15 year period in which gas didn't at least double in price.

PYROLYSIS · 07-29-2011, 04:14 PM

Hopefully they will find a way to mass market the Volt. I won't buy one, but the Camaro needs the Volt and others like it to ensure longevity.

07-29-2011, 08:39 AM	#1
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Cam#7 Drives: 2011 2LT IBM / SIM stripe 6M Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: STL Posts: 819	What's the current CAFE fleet standard ??? __________________

07-29-2011, 10:07 AM	#10
The_Blur Moderator, USN Drives: 2000 Firebird Formula NHRA SE Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Officer Candidate School Posts: 12,712	It is worth pointing out that CAFE is weighted by production. For instance, the Corvette affects GM far less than the Cruze because GM produces and sells fewer Corvettes than Cruzes. As a consequence, the Cruze helps GM more than the Corvette hurts GM. __________________ Get a good deal on your purchase. Read this. 117:123 RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. newborn gifts

07-29-2011, 11:58 AM	#12
AZCamaroFan trahissez-moi Drives: yes Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 13,777	Exactly. People can say it's an average all they want, but that is a huge number. There aren't any cars today that are even getting that number on the highway, other than hybrid's. __________________

07-29-2011, 12:54 PM	#13
Cam#7 Drives: 2011 2LT IBM / SIM stripe 6M Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: STL Posts: 819	Well, lots of good information shared here. Sounds like the CAFE standard for 2010 was 27.5 when the Gen5 came out. So between the V6 and V8 it was right around the targeted average. The average for 2015 is 36.7. That's going to take a much lighter body and more fuel efficiency. Maybe someone could do the math and estimate the mpg using todays engines but on a 3,200 lb. frame versus a 3,700 lb. frame. __________________

07-29-2011, 08:51 AM	#2
evan ready... Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 781 View My Garage	Wow... Will V8's ever meet that requirement? lol.

07-29-2011, 09:49 AM	#7
Xello Drives: 2010 CGM 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kenosha, WI Posts: 335 View My Garage	CAFE = Corporate Average Fuel Economy

07-29-2011, 09:52 AM	#8
Havok Drives: 2010 IBM 2LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: RI Posts: 1,487	It never ended Ferrari, Porsche, and Maseratis from selling cars in the US. They just pay the penalty. "A number of manufacturers choose to pay CAFE penalties rather than attempt to comply with the regulations. As of model year 2006, BMW, DaimlerChrysler, Volkswagen, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati failed to meet CAFE requirements.[24]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...e_Fuel_Economy

07-29-2011, 10:05 AM	#9
Todd3544 Drives: 12 Camaro 2SS/RS, 11 Denali, 08 HD Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Jacksonville FL Posts: 157	Plus US companies can get "fuel credits" that are rewarded by the government from building hybrids and alternative vehicles which also increase their fleet average. MB went out and invested in those little golf carts that are street legal, which sent their fleet average through the roof. That's how they build a AMG that gets 12/16, and pay no penalties. Plus its all political anyways, so it really never matters.

07-29-2011, 03:40 PM	#14
Soloshawn Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kenmore, Washington Posts: 128	End of Camaro as we know it? With the new Government standards starting in 2017 will this kill the supposed new 6th Gen Camaro? At 54 mpg even with some really high mpg cars to balance out the lower mpg cars the end of the big V8 is very near. I will be keeping my 5th Gen car forever now. Chevrolet would keep the Corvette as it's low mpg car for performance and drop the Camaro.

07-29-2011, 03:53 PM	#15
BLcamaro10 Drives: Black silver RS 10 Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: ky Posts: 126 View My Garage	BS

07-29-2011, 03:55 PM	#16
Indpowr Account Suspended Drives: Corvette C6 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 7,039 View My Garage	2025 is 54mpg

07-29-2011, 03:57 PM	#18
Havok Drives: 2010 IBM 2LT RS Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: RI Posts: 1,487	Pretty sure by then there will be a ton of all electric vehicles.

07-29-2011, 03:59 PM	#19
Dznts Anabolic Connoisseur Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 - 2007 Tahoe Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 17,755	its all a consipiracy..lol..

07-29-2011, 04:02 PM	#20
fielderLS3 Drives: 02 Alero, 2011 Mustang 5.0 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Portage, Wisconsin Posts: 3,962	54 MPG will never actually go through by 2025, because sanity will eventually prevail. Second, CAFE has so many loopholes, you don't actually need 54 MPG to say you get 54 MPG. For example, I've heard that a Suburban already gets about 35 MPG. __________________ "Proven V-8 power with better efficiency than a turbo V-6" "The car is the closest thing we will ever create to something that is alive."eds.

07-29-2011, 04:03 PM	#21
cab2g love. my. car. Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,387 View My Garage	to be honest, if there is a market for it, there is no way manufacturers will stop selling V8s. Yes they will get more expensive, but you know what, it's all about priorities in life. If you really want the V8 be prepared for the $20/gal gas in 2025 and stiff guzzler taxes as well. __________________

07-29-2011, 04:04 PM	#22
ibmrs Drives: 2011 2LT RS IBM Join Date: May 2011 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 169 View My Garage	I'd worry a lot more about the gm engineers throwing out junk and the damn bean counters destroying the camaro with the 6th-7th gen than i would the government enforcing those new regulations any where near 2025.

07-29-2011, 04:14 PM	#25
PYROLYSIS Remember the Charleston 9 Drives: 2004 KME PREDATOR (Engine 24) Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: North Charleston SC Posts: 2,541 View My Garage	Hopefully they will find a way to mass market the Volt. I won't buy one, but the Camaro needs the Volt and others like it to ensure longevity. __________________ BRING BACK THE B4C POLICE CAMARO! 2002 V-6 5 speed rally red (current camaro) Also driven:1992 Z-28 305 auto Red w/ black stripes (anniversary), 2001 V-6 auto light pewter metallic,1991 RS V-6 auto Black

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