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Old 03-22-2009, 03:25 PM   #1
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To anyone living in the snowbelt who plans on ordering, or already has ordered, a new Camaro, will you apply some sort of undercoat or oil spray whether or not you intend to take the car out in the winter?

My experience with cars is limited. I have had only my daily driver, a 1999 Grand Am, and I took it to Ziebart to have undercoat and soundproofing applied when new. It was pricey but it has held up well since then. The problem is the Ziebart in my area closed soon after and it's very rare to find a Ziebart shop around anymore.

I wanted to buy one of the "last" F-body Camaro or Firebird in 2002 but that year I found myself out of work so I had to keep my Grand Am a little longer. Since 2003, I have been taking my car to Krown to have an oil spray applied. My only complaint with the oil spray is that it traps a lot of dirt along the seams and it's always oily around the door jambs thereby making it difficult to keep clean. It's better than rust holes, for sure.

Alas, my Grand Am is inevitably getting old. We've been through a lot together and it's been reliable for the most part. I hope to be in the market for a new car in the next year. The new Camaro is on my list of possibilities and I have been following its development since Detroit 2006. It's a tough economy though, so I might settle for something else.

In any case, what are some of your thoughts? Would you consider applying undercoat or oil spray to your new car, whether it's a Camaro or not? Would it diminish its potential value if it has holes drilled into it for undercoat or oil spray? Would this sort of corrosion protection even be necessary if the car is garaged in winter? Isn't it odd that the previous generation Camaros and Firebirds had non-rusting plastic body panels and the new generation has sheet metal? Your feedback is much appreciated.
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Old 03-22-2009, 05:24 PM   #2
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I think with the modern engineering and coatings used, that undercoating is not necessary. Mine will garaged over the winter. Maybe 3 years latter we can look at it.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:02 PM   #3
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I will be undercoating and having mine permashined as it cheap and will protect from almost all elements.
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Old 04-12-2009, 02:33 AM   #4
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Your owners manual says not to undercoat. Read it !
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Old 04-20-2009, 08:44 PM   #5
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volks is like that also, but what happens when rust is comin and you go at the dealer??? what will they tell you? --you didn't take care of your car we don't cover it we won't pay-- do it !! go ahead it's still good protection. and you do it for yourself not for the others. at least you'll slow things up and it's protection for the second owner..if you sell it one day..
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:18 PM   #6
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I dunno, i plan not to drive mine in winter... except for the occasional warm up of fluids.

I haven't undercoated my Cobalt SS SC at all, but i also only drive it in the winter to warm the fluids... not really worried about it too much.
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Old 04-21-2009, 07:02 AM   #7
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I don't plan on driving mine in the winter and don't plan on undercoating.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:13 PM   #8
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No undercoating for me, because it won't be winter driven. As long as you keep it clean, with regular washings (NO HOUSEHOLD CLEANERS) and proper drying, you should not have rust issues.
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Old 04-22-2009, 12:42 PM   #9
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Don't undercoat. Do wash it once in a while. It will be fine.
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Old 04-22-2009, 01:40 PM   #10
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no undercoat for me and i will be driving it in the winter...
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Old 04-22-2009, 02:17 PM   #11
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I've heard that undercoating is no longer needed in modern cars also.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:53 PM   #12
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Is there any cons to the permashine?
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Old 04-22-2009, 05:47 PM   #13
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:13 PM   #14
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no undercoat for me and i will be driving it in the winter...
Will be?
wow.

Not I. Living in Fort Mac, Won't be doing any winter driving, will be driving as far into the fall as I possibly can, and the car will be out by April 9 each year (my birthday).

No undercoating necessary.
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:21 PM   #15
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To anyone living in the snowbelt who plans on ordering Your feedback is much appreciated.
DO not put the dirty crap on your baby if you care about her ! I used to undercoat for years but when the automakers started treating all of the panels for rustproofing I decided not ! Just rinse it every few weeks and it will be fine. When I turned in my 2004 Impala SS lease after 4 winters the bottom side was immacualte. Trust me they do not need anything, especially if you pull into the self operated car wash like I said and rinse the crap off your baby. If you di decide to undercoat make sure you are there and you make sure they take care during application not to get the dirty stuff where you don't need it or want it. It is messy! I had a 2000 SS and I let the dealer talk me into getting undercoating! Well what a mess, I was so disgusted,,,,,, I wouldnt open the hood for any reason it was so emarrassing, it took me endless gours to clean it up to reasonably showable ! Anyway GM gives a rust through warranty for good reason, the vehicles today are triple dipped in coatings made to protect and it works!
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Old 05-13-2009, 06:35 PM   #16
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no undercoat for me and i will be driving it in the winter...
me too! got to find some good winter tires!!! good thing i got the 2LT. remote starter and heated seats!!!!!!
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Old 05-19-2009, 08:33 PM   #17
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me too! got to find some good winter tires!!! good thing i got the 2LT. remote starter and heated seats!!!!!!
I'll be driving mine year round as well. The first winter I had my Chrysler 300 (2004) I couldn't locate the proper size winter tires for the car. Actually it was pretty good in the snow (surprising for a rear wheel drive) but by the second winter Chrysler had the proper winter rims/snow tires available. It will be interesting to see how much we'd need to invest in winter rubber for the 20" wheels (I think that's gonna hurt :().
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Old 05-20-2009, 11:55 AM   #18
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Yea , no need to under caot now days, as far as tire go take a deep breath and open the cheque book, just heard tires went up 30% Yay :-)
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Old 05-20-2009, 12:26 PM   #19
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I'll be driving mine year round as well. The first winter I had my Chrysler 300 (2004) I couldn't locate the proper size winter tires for the car. Actually it was pretty good in the snow (surprising for a rear wheel drive) but by the second winter Chrysler had the proper winter rims/snow tires available. It will be interesting to see how much we'd need to invest in winter rubber for the 20" wheels (I think that's gonna hurt :().
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If you have the LT with the RS package to upgrade to the 20" wheels, you should be able to drop down to an 18" wheel for the winter. It would mean buying rims, but if the rotors are the same size on the LT/RS as they are on the LS, there is no reason we can't drop down to an 18" wheel.
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Old 05-20-2009, 08:48 PM   #20
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If you have the LT with the RS package to upgrade to the 20" wheels, you should be able to drop down to an 18" wheel for the winter. It would mean buying rims, but if the rotors are the same size on the LT/RS as they are on the LS, there is no reason we can't drop down to an 18" wheel.
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