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Old 03-22-2009, 10:51 PM   #1
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Psychological Diagnosis

I have always had some frustrations with professionals in the field of psychology. Perhaps I am simply paranoid from watching such movies as Changeling, but I feel that the role of a psychiatrist in society is overplayed. Some people genuinely need help sorting out their problems, but there simply is no diagnosis for being mentally healthy as there is in other aspects of medicine. Even if a biologically healthy individual were to walk into a psychiatrist's office, the conclusion would be one of illness.

If the healthy person were content, then something was being concealed. More visits would be required.

If the healthy person were angry or defensive for being probed, then the person has a problem with authority, aggression, or violence. Let's ignore that it is socially abnormal for a perfect stranger to seek a deep, one-sided monologue regarding one's past.

If the healthy person were clean-cut, then that person was trying to overcompensate for the past.

If the healthy person were quite the opposite, then that same person has issues confronting problems from the past.

If the healthy person has sexuality issues, then that person is, depending on the psychological professional, a damned soul needing salvation or facing some sort of identity crisis.

If the healthy person saves money, then that person has trouble enjoying himself or herself.

If the healthy person spends money, then that person has trouble with being a responsible member of society.

If the healthy person's grades are low, then it must be ADD or something else that drugs can fix.

If the healthy person just wants to go home to a familiar place with family or friends, then that person is too afraid to take chances or tackle deep issues.

The list could go on forever, but listing forever would cause you to either stop reading my rambling, if you haven't already, or would cause your head to explode, and I don't want someone to have to clean up the mess you'll leave. I was just thinking about this as I watched the TV earlier. There are so many shows where a diagnosis makes the case, and those cases are extreme, thus making very good television entertainment. The truth is that most of us who get counseling or try to listen to such quacks as Dr. Phil really need to evaluate why we have no confidence in our own judgement. Usually, even a poorly guided child can become a decent adult by simply knowing that some things are basically right and others are basically wrong. The intricate complexities of social interaction cannot be adequately resolved by talking about how someone's father did not express their love enough or how someone else's mother was an alcoholic. Some people need a professional to talk about their history of sexual abuse or why they get angry every time they see a Duke-North Carolina game (the answer: both teams should lose), but the rest of us tend to be functional adults.

What do I know? I'm no professional in the field, but I have known that most people who go to counseling are more frustrated when they leave the office than before entering for the first time.

I guess my diagnosis for people that believe in contemporary psychology as it exists today is that you are crazy. Perhaps those of you who stayed long enough to read this nonsense are also crazy for doing just that.
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Well there are many different sides to psychology. Not all psychiatrists will give a diagnosis automatically. But you have to remember that the psychiatrist is not always giving a diagnosis but rather just trying to evaluate the individual's personality in order to know how to better deal with them.

However, I do agree that our society has an obsession with trying to find something wrong with themselves. Your right a problemed child can grow up to be a decent person as long as they know what's wrong or right. But who is going to tell them this if they had a problemed childhood? That's where the role of a psychiatrist comes in. They are suppose to help individuals fit into society. Sometimes all a person needs to better fit into society is someone else to hear them out.

I also think some people are crazy for believing in most stuff that psychiatrist say. But we do need psychology to help better understand ourselves. There's alot more going on in our brain than most people would like to know. Any slight change in the brain can cause a person to completely change. Whether we like it or not a psychiatrist's help is sometimes needed to help diagnose changes in the brain that would cause people to have irrational behavior.

It's all just part of the evolutionary process in my opinion.
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I could probably have fun with a psychologist. Essentially informing them of what I think of the session and their profession, and go from there.
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Use the Lord. Turn to him first and foremost.

After that I don't know. I've never considered it to be credible science or medicine. I know stress can be a powerful thing that can even cause physical pain. But I don't even consider using phsycology as an option.

However, I don't ultimately deny the possibility of success because I am ignorant to much of the case study. Not to mention I'm not mentaly I'll nor do I know anyone who is.

If I had to guess I'd say it is largely BS though.

Good write up Blur, what prompted it?
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Dr Phil rocks........I guess.......he has my wife watching him and Opah.......and now that she is laided off all of my sporting events have been cancelled and now we get to see Ellen and the View also........it's great I guess.
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Dr Phil rocks........I guess.......he has my wife watching him and Opah.......and now that she is laided off all of my sporting events have been cancelled and now we get to see Ellen and the View also........it's great I guess.
All I know is...she deletes one more Top Gear tivo to watch her reality/dancing stars/oprah crap, someone is getting F'd UP! lol

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Use the Lord. Turn to him first and foremost.

After that I don't know. I've never considered it to be credible science or medicine. I know stress can be a powerful thing that can even cause physical pain. But I don't even consider using phsycology as an option.

However, I don't ultimately deny the possibility of success because I am ignorant to much of the case study. Not to mention I'm not mentaly I'll nor do I know anyone who is.

If I had to guess I'd say it is largely BS though.

Good write up Blur, what prompted it?
Ultimately, I was provoked by long-standing concerns about the field, completely unrealistic movies where people get thrown in wards without legitimate proof of their psychosis, and a class I took in college. Ultimately, the assumption that all people need some sort of resolution in their lives with the few serious problems that they may have seems almost altruistic when considering that the psychologist also must have problems. If I am flawed for being human, then so must the person diagnosing my flaws, thereby implying that there is possible flaw in the diagnosis. If the diagnosis is as flawed as the person giving it, then we have to consider that another person may suffer unnecessary treatment and social consequences for being treated and diagnosed for a problem that is not real. People with real mental disorders that need the help oftentimes do function in various roles of society, and those people could be anyone—bums, accountants, bus drivers, that asshole in the Mustang next to you, your dealer. Imagine going to a psychologist whose own mental disorders must be kept carefully from clients. Imagine being diagnosed by a bitter victim of wrongful imprisonment in a psych ward. Rather than resolving problems, the doctor would use this position to pass judgement on those who deserve or do not deserve the same punishment for crimes unrelated to mental status.

All I'm saying is that we do a poor job of deciding how society should work. We could all safely be diagnoses with some sort of post-traumatic stress or some other common problem, but would we be better off thinking we're normal than being patients? I think that doctors forget that there are side effects to more than medication, and merely diagnosing someone with a label can be as damaging as a serious condition that goes untreated.
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The key is parameters. Do you fall within the accepted parameters of psycho/social behavior or not? Throughout ones' life we may all become subject to what may be termed "abberant", "contrary" or "anti-social" behavior, usually on a temporary basis and commonly from an "outside source". Therein lies the problem of recognition and resolution.
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I think your painting rather broadly. Mental Illness is difficult to diagnose because there is no bleeding, protruding bone or other obvious wound. Many people think Mental Illness isn't real or those that have some form of it are weak or faking. Given that criteria we can all assume electricity isn't real, unless someone here has actually seen an electron? People suffer brain injuries, they may be borne with abnormalities, or they may contract some other type of disease or traumatic injury. I'm sure there are many misdiagnoses made but that is to be expected when dealing with the human brain. The problem with what your writing is that it may deter someone that actually needs help from seeking it and I would be cautious.
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I think your painting rather broadly. Mental Illness is difficult to diagnose because there is no bleeding, protruding bone or other obvious wound. Many people think Mental Illness isn't real or those that have some form of it are weak or faking. Given that criteria we can all assume electricity isn't real, unless someone here has actually seen an electron? People suffer brain injuries, they may be borne with abnormalities, or they may contract some other type of disease or traumatic injury. I'm sure there are many misdiagnoses made but that is to be expected when dealing with the human brain. The problem with what your writing is that it may deter someone that actually needs help from seeking it and I would be cautious.
exactly.
and a "mental illness" isn't an illness untill it actually starts to interfere in somones life. However, most psychiatrist always seem to find something wrong with people simply for the need of money. That's the real problem. A psychiatrist gives a fake or unreal diagnosis simply to make the person come back for another session and get paid again.
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Yea, I don't doubt that happens and pharmaceutical companies probably encourage it. But if someone on this forum really does need help they may not seek it because of the negative comments made here. I'm just suggesting caution.
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I have Greg Norris syndrome. it causes me to falcon punch random people when they perform idotic acts.
I've heard of people being idiotic but never idotic.
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I'm inclined to agree with Blur.

Is laziness a mental disorder? Is anger? Is shyness? How about love? The problem is a diagnosis is left up to the Professional. It is abused in probably more instances that it is useful. The fact is, a murderer, pedafile or rapeist is not normal in the head. And we prosecute these people accordingly. And so we should. But our phycological professionals are largely trying to narrow the gap between some of emotions I first listed and the crimes I listed. And to what end? For a monetary reason ultimately I'm sure.

How does that effect the rest of us?

This is just one example of the inexact science of phsycology. It has it's place but in a world where a murderer gets off with some counseling while a video game producer gets sued for causing the person to murder, it plays a little thin on my phsyce. I know that sounds a little synycal and excuse the tongue and cheek referance but I've felt more personal accountability and less blame it on everyone else but me, would be better for all of us. And we have the abuses of phycology to blame. I've never seen anyone go to a chyropractor just once. They'll, just about without exeption, find you need 'adjustments' and I suppose not a lot of phyciatrists will tell many people to quit crying and deal with a problem like everyone else.

Sure there are peope who may need help but I don't beleive a fraction of the number in therapy now, do. Just my opinion. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but If I had to bet on it I would.
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I'm no expert but for the sake of argument I think your confusing Moral short comings with Mental Illness. Murderers, Rapist, and no good lazy bastards are not necessarily mentally ill. From a strictly evolutionary point of view, rape, murder, theft, ect...however morally repugnant, could be beneficial to passing on one's Genes and not necessarily a mental illness. Psychiatry on the other hand, is a medical specialty. These people go to Medical School and then on to Psychiatry. When they say mental illness is real, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Any Doctor could milk a person for monetary gain, and it probably happens all the time, but I don't think its a good idea to ignore chest pains because your doctor might send you out for unnecessary tests. IMO, If someone is suffering from depression, mood swings, hearing voices or whatever, I would classify that as a medical problem and urge you to seek the help of a trained medical professional.
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You're right. But what I'm saying is that more and more, the Proffesional counselor is confusing moral shortcomings with mental illness. Remember, I said phychology and the proffesion has it's place. But in the case of the kid who shot and killed two people and basicaly escaped prison time due to the diagnosis of mental illness brought on by the video game manufacturer, it was just that. Confusing mental illness with simple crime and common sense. We are moving to a society where everything has to be blamed on something. Personal accountability has been reduced to an afterthought.

Not all phycology is useless. Some people need help and find it. But many more people hide behind it to mask their responsibility in the cloak of a victim.
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If the healthy person's grades are low, then it must be ADD or something else that drugs can fix.
I have a serious problem with this one...two friends of mine supposedly have "ADD", or "ADHD"....and my brother was just 'diagnosed'. Two of them are on some stupid drug, and the other refused.

People....they're just bored!!!! All three of them can function as well as myself when they're interested in something. They can study, they can learn....sure, one of them takes longer to read....so? And the one without the medicine does arguably better than the other two!!!

Psychologissts, imo, make money by making up problems...by telling people they need help...or at the very least, making small problems into big ones.

hehehehe....lets see one of em psycho-analyze me!
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I have a serious problem with this one...two friends of mine supposedly have "ADD", or "ADHD"....and my brother was just 'diagnosed'. Two of them are on some stupid drug, and the other refused.

People....they're just bored!!!! All three of them can function as well as myself when they're interested in something. They can study, they can learn....sure, one of them takes longer to read....so? And the one without the medicine does arguably better than the other two!!!

Psychologissts, imo, make money by making up problems...by telling people they need help...or at the very least, making small problems into big ones.

hehehehe....lets see one of em psycho-analyze me!
I think you suffer from an anti-authoritarian...........complex..................s yndrome.........ya. The lack of compliance that you show in the feild of scientific phsyclogical and behavioral evidence and control is quite apparent. Probably brought on by a major purchase anticipation situation and I also get the most accute sense of a babysitting condition in which you may be subject to the moderation of arguments, squablings and disrespect of a group of people that probably share the same infatuation and indulgance of a certain event that is in the near future which is exaserbated by the culmination of years of anguish over the disapearance of said subject.

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I have questions regarding this field. I've been told that I have a problem (apparently) but I just always figured I was just an indiscriminate, unsympathetic, and uncaring @$$h*le Eh - what do I know
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