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Old 10-10-2011, 09:24 PM   #1
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nitrous and methanol

any thoughts on running a meth kit on top of nitrous for my v6? just trying to see what the thought is and get educated on it?
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Old 10-10-2011, 09:59 PM   #2
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Dont think you would get alot of benefit out of it. It may allow you to run more timing with the nx kit or a bigger shot. You could also do that with a stand alone fuel system and some good gas and be more reliable.
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:17 PM   #3
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so no benefits...
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Have you bought a kit?
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i have a 75 shot of nitrous
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Old 10-10-2011, 10:39 PM   #6
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I guess it could be worth if you ran a good bit of meth in it and got a kit cheap. Would def be something i would check my a/f and knock on. Kind of like running race gas with out having to buy race gas KINDA. It would really shine if you were SC.
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see the problem with a SC is one.. they dont make one and 2... im a college student lol sooo i cant afford one
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Old 10-11-2011, 06:43 AM   #8
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Just like F/I, at some point you will need more fuel to run a bigger shot. Until we get a HPFP that can provide more fuel, you could rely upon Methanol for that extra fuel. Of course you'll need a tune to handle the bigger shot and to properly use the Meth.
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This is just me but if If I wanted more fuel for my nx I would buy a stand alone system with a 1 gallon tank. They are simple and work good. I do have a methanol kit I may sell I will know for sure in a week or so that you can pick up cheap. Imo thought you may be more benefit and safety from a stand alone since your inlet air temps arent am issue.
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This is just me but if If I wanted more fuel for my nx I would buy a stand alone system with a 1 gallon tank. They are simple and work good. I do have a methanol kit I may sell I will know for sure in a week or so that you can pick up cheap. Imo thought you may be more benefit and safety from a stand alone since your inlet air temps arent am issue.
Problem is, I don't think anyone has done this with the DI LLT. It would probably work, but we know Meth works and he only needs it at the track.
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Old 10-11-2011, 09:35 AM   #11
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I understand but you can put a stand alone fuel system on any car made you can put one on your grandmothers caravan. Just giving options. I still think you can put the money in other places if you want to be faster. And if your going to just run it at the track just run some higher octane fuel. Just thinking out loud not sure you will see alot of benefit out of a meth kit with no sc and there are better ways to do it and be safer. Just my thinking though.
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:11 PM   #12
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i was under the impression i could have the meth injection set up to be used separately and also when i spray nitrous... from reading on various sites i thought the meth injection could be setup to spray at high rpm (vacuum) levels, therefor i could basically have it set so id gain some extra HP when downshifting and passing someone on the hwy or wherever?
let me know how wrong i am lol
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Old 10-11-2011, 01:18 PM   #13
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You not going to gain power Unless you car advances timing with the meth. The meth can keep you from losing power if your having problems with high IAT's and/or knock. It could also help if you were spraying with some bad gas i guess. If your running meth with no advanced timing and have no high IAT issues then the way i see it you would actually lose power cause your A/f ratio will be going really rich.
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Im sure it would be Easy to figure out how to wire it where it only come on when your spraying. unless your running it with some advanced timing i dont see how your going to gain anything with a 75 shot you dont need it I wouldnt think.
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Old 10-11-2011, 04:08 PM   #15
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If youre a college cat like me you should stick to the 75 shot man. Im sure like me you cant afford to blow an engine right now, which even a 75 shot can do.
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i have a 75 shot of nitrous
do you have any dyno runs? and a track to check your times?
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do you have any dyno runs? and a track to check your times?
nope not yet, waiting for fall baseball to be over before i can head down to the tuner (3 hour drive) and get a tune and some numbers... im just trying to figure out which routes i wana go so i can save the right amounts of money. i dont know much about performance cars, just jeeps lol
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Im sure it would be Easy to figure out how to wire it where it only come on when your spraying. unless your running it with some advanced timing i dont see how your going to gain anything with a 75 shot you dont need it I wouldnt think.
not sure what your saying here? no point in meth with a 75 shot of nitrous?
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not sure what your saying here? no point in meth with a 75 shot of nitrous?
Are you pulling timing with your 75 shot? Do you plan on putting more than a 75 shot? If the Answer is no to these than a meth kit would be a waste of money.
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I have a question for you: Did you straight pipe your car yourself? How does it sound now? Any noticeable gains? Check Engine Light?
We basically have the same car, and i was also thinking of straight piping.
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Just like F/I, at some point you will need more fuel to run a bigger shot. Until we get a HPFP that can provide more fuel, you could rely upon Methanol for that extra fuel. Of course you'll need a tune to handle the bigger shot and to properly use the Meth.
For N20, you splice into the low pressure fuel line. Remember with N20 you are injecting into the intake tube so you don't need the crazy PSI like for DI.

Probably I see with the whole meth on top of N2O is basically you tune your car completely differently for those two thing. With N20 you want to retard the timing and with meth you want to advance. With a properly set up N20 system with correct jetting I see no real advantage with trying to add meth on top of it... if anything you will be worse off...
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For N20, you splice into the low pressure fuel line. Remember with N20 you are injecting into the intake tube so you don't need the crazy PSI like for DI.

Probably I see with the whole meth on top of N2O is basically you tune your car completely differently for those two thing. With N20 you want to retard the timing and with meth you want to advance. With a properly set up N20 system with correct jetting I see no real advantage with trying to add meth on top of it... if anything you will be worse off...
I guess that makes sense. I've never used it so I'm definitely no expert. I just look at it as if it is nothing more than a shot of oxygen and figure it has to have fuel to mix with it. It is good to know that the guys like ROD and HDRS that are doing the bigger shots are getting enough fuel from the low-pressure pump. That means we may not have an issue with it once the HPFP is replaced. At least until we go really big.
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The Problem is alot of people run Meth for a Band Aid solution for other problems. Ive known of a few car to blow a motor on meth because the Meth didnt pump right. To buy a really good meth kit your going to have 800 dollars in it. For 800 dollars you can put a stand alone fuel system with race gas in it. There is a reason all the n2o companies make stand alone fuel systems and are not making meth kits. Amarr If you ever get ready to do something bring that car up here to Atlanta and we will make sure that its right.
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The Problem is alot of people run Meth for a Band Aid solution for other problems. Ive known of a few car to blow a motor on meth because the Meth didnt pump right. To buy a really good meth kit your going to have 800 dollars in it. For 800 dollars you can put a stand alone fuel system with race gas in it. There is a reason all the n2o companies make stand alone fuel systems and are not making meth kits. Amarr If you ever get ready to do something bring that car up here to Atlanta and we will make sure that its right.
Considering im from alpharetta i will definetly bring it buy sometime... Can you guys tune (like trifecta) ?
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