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Old 08-19-2011, 04:15 PM   #1
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GM 3.6 twin turbo.....with hybrid technology!!??

Its not a Camaro, its not even in production but its whats under this concept's hood that is very interesting to me...

"The spacious and elegant Ciel is a grand gesture that explores themes driving Cadillac’s explorations into range-topping flagship luxury. It is powered by a twin-turbocharged version of the 3.6-liter Direct Injection V-6 engine, paired with a hybrid system using lithium-ion battery technology."

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http://forums.motortrend.com/70/8773...ept/index.html
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:27 PM   #2
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Hmmm cool looking concept with an intriguing powerplant. Anymore to woo certain ppl you have to have the buzzword "hybrid" in the press release it seems. The important thing is twin turbo 3.6 and I bet that TT isn't using a Bosch ECU LOL
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:53 PM   #3
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Well, I hope the engine makes into some production car. If it is good enough for a Caddy, then the rumors about a TT V6 Vette may not be so far fetched.
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:55 PM   #4
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That boat needs TT to move!
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Old 08-19-2011, 04:58 PM   #5
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That boat needs TT to move!
How much does it weight? I must have missed that.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:03 PM   #6
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How much does it weight? I must have missed that.
I think it's just a hunch...

This beast does look sick.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:14 PM   #7
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:16 PM   #8
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I think it's just a hunch...

This beast does look sick.
Ah, I see. I was wondering if it might be build on the Alpha platform and maybe give us some idea of what kind of weights we are going to see in the future. It looks big, but I wonder if it is using some of the recent frame/body tech that went into the Z06 to lighten up some. I would be nice if it was less than 3800 lbs, but I guess that's just wishful thinking.
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Old 08-19-2011, 05:31 PM   #9
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I'm also interested in the eAssist technology. The new 2012 Buicks with eAssist will get upwards of 37mpg with it. All it is is a brake-regenerated battery that powers a starter used in acceleration from a stop (something like 100ft-lbs torque). Think about how useful that would be in a V6 Camaro (or even V8) if you can increase the gas mileage by 25%+ without any harm to performance other than some extra weight in the trunk.

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Old 08-19-2011, 06:08 PM   #10
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I'm also interested in the eAssist technology. The new 2012 Buicks with eAssist will get upwards of 37mpg with it. All it is is a brake-regenerated battery that powers a starter used in acceleration from a stop (something like 100ft-lbs torque). Think about how useful that would be in a V6 Camaro (or even V8) if you can increase the gas mileage by 25%+ without any harm to performance other than some extra weight in the trunk.

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I agree. eAssist would be great, because it could be applied to current or future powerplants for extra mileage and extra power with minimal weight increases compared to a full hybrid system.

Li-ion batteries add TONS of weight to cars ... not good for a sports/performance car.

Another great technology is KERS. Porsche uses it in their Le Manz GT3RSR Hybrid. It uses NO batteries, adds over 100 additional HP on demand ... but I think the mileage increases are minimal. Volvo is adding a KERS to their production cars soon, that will work similarly to eAssist.
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I'm thinking this vehicle itself will never see the light of day besides in this concept form.

Many times, makers will use these concept to show they can do neat stuff design-wise, but also they will add some neat/futuristic tech. They can use the concept to test out the tech which may actually make it into a production vehicle.

So hopefully from this project we will see a TT V6.....and maybe even a hybrid version like if all this pans out, but probably not in a Camaro.
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Old 08-19-2011, 06:50 PM   #12
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Is this the new 3.6 with the built in exhaust manifold? Kinda wondering how they are hooking up a TT to that new engine.
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Its kind of a slap to those who already voided the warranty by adding a TT system.. thats not fair in my opinion.. I dont see how you can have "twin turbo" and "hybrid" in the same sentence.. I can only reference the new Taurus SHO with its TT ECOBOOST engine... but still not classified as a "hybrid" .. looks like a Retro 67 Eldo when i first saw it.. It sucks alot of these CONCEPTs never make it to real production. remember the Cadillac CIEN?? the Cadi-LAMBO.
http://images.wikia.com/gran-turismo...dillacCien.jpg

... I remember the Pontiac RAGEOUS.. that was a sweet lookin car..
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Old 08-22-2011, 03:24 PM   #14
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Intriguing news indeed. I have an article posted about it on my blog with some more information and details about it:

www.RPMPerformanceBlog.com/CadillacConcept
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The "hybrid" could mean electric motors in the tranny a la the Tahoe and Escalade.
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Old 09-15-2011, 03:49 PM   #16
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^ the start stop system. I like the concept, Porsche has even just added it to their 2012 911 coupe. they have even implemented it in a M7, yeah thats right a 7 speed. cool technology. In my opinion for the next gen. a start stop feature would be a great addition. as for ours, I think the weight of the car is too high as it is, so adding a 1-150Lb start stop system would just hurt us a little more. we would be almost 2 tons!!
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^ the start stop system. I like the concept, Porsche has even just added it to their 2012 911 coupe. they have even implemented it in a M7, yeah thats right a 7 speed. cool technology. In my opinion for the next gen. a start stop feature would be a great addition. as for ours, I think the weight of the car is too high as it is, so adding a 1-150Lb start stop system would just hurt us a little more. we would be almost 2 tons!!
True, these things are too heavy. But from what I've seen those things can add from 50-100 ft-lb of torque at launch and we need that real bad.
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True, these things are too heavy. But from what I've seen those things can add from 50-100 ft-lb of torque at launch and we need that real bad.
Really?? iv never heard that. Cool!!
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Really?? iv never heard that. Cool!!
Yeah, I'm not sure that's EAssist does that much, but some of the hybrid tech does.
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Seeing some of the european motors running 11-15 PSI boost on DI motors!!!!
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Seeing some of the european motors running 11-15 PSI boost on DI motors!!!!
Our Flex is running 11 to 12 PSI which is a 3.5L DI motor... some guys are pushing 14 to 15 PSI..
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I think a whole new world is going to open up when we get this fuel issue solved.
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