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Old 09-20-2007, 07:39 PM   #1
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Tag, you wouldn't do this would you?



The cop was found not guilty...
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Police brutality against kids and blacks is just as bad today as it was 30 years ago. The University of Florida and the College student tasered this week is another example. I live in Citrus County and last year with had the Inverness police dept disbanded and currently they are voting on the Crystal River Police Dept. to be also taken over by the Sheriffs Dept. The amount of complaints is incredible. There speeding guns were not recalibrated for an excessive amount of time. Not sure how many months constitute excessive but many tickets were written in the school zone that were reversed several months later. This and 100 other legitimate complaints is enough to make the city council here vote on another city police dept being given the boot. A professional sheriffs dept is the only way to go.
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Holy crap. WTF did that kid do to deserve that?!?!?!

He could have killed the kid. The trigger-happy, gun-toting, POS! Cop or not, all he did was get up, like the cop asked him too!


And that skateboarding cop......ARHAAAA! Did he seriously just start choking a girl...for being "in violation of city orders"??!?!?!? She didn't even say anything. It was the other kid F'n him off....WTF?!?! He needs to be put down...like, dog kennel put down.
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one thing to keep in mind is that there are plenty of PUNK kids out there who start mouthing off to cops. it doesnt show the beginning of every thing. so whos to say that when the cop told them to stop skateboarding, that they continued or started being little smart ass punks and mouthed off to the cop. same thing if you get pulled over for speeding or whatever and the cop asks you to get out of the car and you start acting stupid and threatening him, or something similar. they can arrest you for disorderly conduct or resisting arrest if you start fighting back. whos to say that the kid that was being choked didnt start to squirm away and flail at the cop when he first started to arrest him?

im not saying that i think cops should get away with everything, but there are always 2 sides to a story.
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I agree with you up until a point. The kid with the camera was handcuffed for doing what? Obviously he wasn't skateboarding in the presence of the cop otherwise the cop would have gone after all of them right off the bat. They were walking with their boards in hand. That's the part of the video I'm concerned with.
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Your right, of course, CamaroSpike...I hadn't thought of that. I was still pissed, and hot-headed from watching that guy get shot for nothing.


Mindz, He was probably pissed, and aggravated to have had to chase down that one a$$hole, and he probably had a case of You-listen-to-every-damn-word-I-say-or-I'll-punish-you-because-I-can.
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what about when the kid took off running when the cop told him to stay put? lol not tryin to argue, im just keeping an open mind about this. i could get in a fight with a cop and you could start recording halfway thru when backup arrives and beats the living crap out of me. same concept applies.

they were skateboarding, obviously they were told to stop by the cop, the one kid didnt and the cop went to arrest him and the kid resisted (possibly swung, whatever). while he was putting the kid in cuffs, he told one of the others to stay put, the kid ran. the cop chased him and a scuffle began when the cop started to put the kids in their place.
skateboarding may seem like a trifle thing because "you arent hurting anyone", but when its against the law/city ordinance, its STILL AGAINST THE LAW. just like if im speeding on an empty highway at 3 in the morning...im still speeding. and if the officer tries to arrest me and I resist, I am giving him all rights in the world to DO HIS JOB and put me into custody any way he deems fit.

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Like I said, I agree with you. The only one that I feel was treated unfairly is the camera kid. The kid being choked may have swung but the cop should have choked the kid until he was able to put cuffs on them.
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First off, I can't see the vid. So, I can't comment on that. BUT, I can comment on the guy at the college....he was in the WRONG and that is that. I will explain later.

Seriously, some folks just don't know what it's like until you walk a DAY in OUR shoes! The smallest move can and most likely will be taken as hostile when someone is back talking. You'd better believe it. When I tell someone to do something and they backtalk, I take the backtalk (as it's my job). BUT, they will do it. We get called names all the time and it's part of the job. I can't arrest someone for calling me a name unless someone else is around who is offended.

BUT, I'm NOT going to pounce on a kid or anyone else just for saying something. It takes more than that ... it's called A TOTALITY OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES ... to make me do anything. A person backtalking is one thing. A HOSTILE person backtalking is another. If you make a furtive movement, you'd better be ready, because IT'S COMING.


There's so many videos out there on youtube where you only see one side...and it's usually the end. Yes, I'm sure there are officers out there who abuse their powers....and it's sad. The less physical I have to get, the better. That's just the way it goes. But with others, they could be looking for the fight.

Don't let one persons actions speak for everyone....PERIOD.
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im not saying that i think cops should get away with everything, but there are always 2 sides to a story.
It doesn't look like there were two sides to that first video. I didn't hear that cop yell, "he's got a gun" or anything... he just shot the man. Where's the justification? Where's the probable or reasonable cause? I'd have thrown that no good cop in prison and made sure he was integrated within general population. In these type of situations, they should never be acquitted or found not guilty.

The second video seemed like the cop had a score to settle with the skateboarders. Well, no not really, hehe. Those kids were clearly breaking the law by skateboarding on city sidewalks and interfering with the first and subsequent arrests. However, that girl wasn't really doing anything wrong..., well, yes she was. The cop told her to sit down, she refused and started running her mouth. So, that situation appears to be justifiable use of force. Besides, as was mentioned, some of those bratty little kids deserve what they get.
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It doesn't look like there were two sides to that first video. I didn't hear that cop yell, "he's got a gun" or anything... he just shot the man. Where's the justification? Where's the probable or reasonable cause? I'd have thrown that no good cop in prison and made sure he was integrated within general population. In these type of situations, they should never be acquitted or found not guilty.

The second video seemed like the cop had a score to settle with the skateboarders. Well, no not really, hehe. Those kids were clearly breaking the law by skateboarding on city sidewalks and interfering with the first and subsequent arrests. However, that girl wasn't really doing anything wrong..., well, yes she was. The cop told her to sit down, she refused and started running her mouth. So, that situation appears to be justifiable use of force. Besides, as was mentioned, some of those bratty little kids deserve what they get.

yeah the first one i only watched once, and i cant watch it at work, but ill review it back home. plus the sound sucks (at least on my end). but you never know, the guy could have been reaching in his pockets or pants for "something"
there was a guy in E. St. Louis when I was growin up that got shot by a cop in a gas station, cus the guy reached in his pocket and pulled out a silver "object". granted the cop was hasty and pulled his gun and shot and killed the guy... because he was answering his cell phone. but the guy did have a gun. in his ankle holster. but on the video the guy looked around suspiciously then reached in his pocket and pulled the phone out quickly, and the cop got hasty and pulled his gun first before verifying what the guy had. but whos to say the cop didnt save the lives of himself and the other patrons of the gas station? the guy could have been planning to rob the place, but we'll never know.

and as far as settling a score with the skateboarders, kids these days need to learn some F***ing manners. im starting to sound old, but when I was growin up, if you backtalked to an adult, you got backslapped! too many parents sparing the rod and spoiling the child. nuf said.
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Without reading anyone elses posts and ONLY to comment on the first two posts.....

POST #1.

Yes, I've seen this video before. Wasn't it out in California?? And the guy was military or something? I don't recall specifics, but I do remember the officer was supposedly a new officer...only been on for a short time. Also, if I recall correctly, there was a police chase involved w/ that Corvette...a Felony offense.

I do recall that the officer had this guy out at gunpoint on the passenger side. I don't recall if the guy was armed. I don't think so. But, I do remember the officer telling him to "shut up" repeatedly....and....in doing so, supposedly told the guy to "stand up." The guy complied and was shot.

IMO, that is f^*k3d up. I, for one, KNOW I have had my adrenaline flowing and have said certain things, but meant to say something else. It happens. No, it wasn't in any type of situation like this. But, there are critical times when we know *these next few seconds mean life or death for me*. Put yourself in that type of situation and think of what your reaction would be. It gets scary. My main concern at the end of my day is to go home to my family. Don't get me wrong. I am NOT saying it was okay to screw up w/ a jumble of words and shoot this poor guy. I am NOT saying that at ALL. That was realllly messed up.

POST #2.

FIRST AND FOREMOST...no one here saw what led up to the point where the camera began rolling....period. No one has any idea what took place except for those out there who experienced it.

Second...he was placing a kid under arrest who wasn't obeying him. Watch the video. He has the kid lawfully detained for a city ordinance violation. He tells him to roll over on his stomach while he's holding his arm. The kid doesn't do it. He has to tell him again. Did the officer jump on him and begin beating him? No. He just continued to try to do his job while all these other kids kept pestering the officer who was trying to LEGALLY detain an individual.

One kid went too far w/ the pestering. That is called "Interference with Police Duties" and is a CRIME. The officer had the legal authority to detain that kid and he told him to stop (or stay right there...whatever). But, what did the kid do? He ran. That is now called "Evading Detention."...by the way, that's also illegal.

The officer gives chase, but appears to lose him. He goes back to the original person he was dealing with. He picks him up and tries to walk off away from everyone else. What does everyone else do? They follow....of course. What does everyone always want to do....

But, the girl and boy follow and continue to interfere. Both can be arrested since the officer already has the authority to detain them for the city ord violation and the fact that he's already told them to go away. Again, it's called "Interfering w/ Police Duties." And, in case you are wondering what exactly this means...

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§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person
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(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is
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BUT...girl comes up and Officer tells both of them to "SIT DOWN." Neither comply. He tells both of them they are under arrest for a City Ordinace Violation (which really isn't anything at all...should be a ticket and you're gone). What does the girl do??? SHE RUNS!!! DUH.... Once again, it's called Evading Arrest...ya'll want to know what this means?

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Meanwhile, the other kid keeps yelling, "What the **** is wrong with you? She's riding a skateboard!" Can he be placed under arrest? Let's see...City Ordinance Violation...yup...Interference...yup...resisting? not too sure. Couldn't tell if he was fighting back. I tell them to put their hands behing their back before jumping on them. I think he was a wee bit pissed off. Oh, and the girl got away...ouch.

The moral of the story...

If an officer tells you to do something, you DO IT. And, if your buddy is getting arrested, don't try to be a smart ass or a hero. Guess what...it's called interfering and you'll be arrested too. Oh, and when an officer tells you you are under arrest and you run...expect to be chased down and probably taken to the ground. ...duh...
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I watched the skateboarding one again and the only thing the cameraman says is "sir, it's ok, it's ok" The other kids were being brats, and I see it. I didn't think the guy who's pov we're watching was interferring. if that one sentence is enough to be put in cuffs, ouch.

I know you wouldn't do something as rash as the first one. The second one I was just wondering about the cameraman who was "interferring" apparantly.
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And that skateboarding cop......ARHAAAA! Did he seriously just start choking a girl...for being "in violation of city orders"??!?!?!? She didn't even say anything. It was the other kid F'n him off....WTF?!?! He needs to be put down...like, dog kennel put down.
Dragon...I RESPECTFULLY disagree w/ you. Do you think she just said, "here...choke me?" She was part of the problem, officer said your under arrest, she ran, he caught her, she (camera couldn't get it all) probably resisted and he put her in a headlock. Choking is when you put your hands around someones neck. Do you REALLY want to compare him to a dog in a kennel???????????????????????????????????????????? ???????



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Police brutality against kids and blacks is just as bad today as it was 30 years ago. I can't really comment on this...because I haven't seen any "brutality" cases since I've been on the force. The University of Florida and the College student tasered this week is another example.

Absolutely not. In what I saw, he was in his right to talk. But, whoever was in charge stopped his interview. Police don't just approach and remove people in a public event unless they are asked to do so by someone holding the event (or something much worse). Once that is done, police have the right to escort them out. I could start by saying Disrupting a meeting...
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meeting, procession, or gathering, he obstructs or interferes with
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utterance.
(b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.


Didn't he post it online that he was going to do this?? Which would also mean that it was premeditated....meaning there was an intent to disrupt the meeting. Sorry...but when police try to escort you out and you resist, expect to have problems. If he pulled away from me like that, I would have had him on the ground right there. Those officers just kept pulling on his arms...I couldn't believe they didn't take him down right there. That was an act of restraint. Oh, and ..."Don't taze me, bro!"... You wouldn't have gotten tazed if you had complied like she asked THREE TIMES.

I live in Citrus County and last year with had the Inverness police dept disbanded and currently they are voting on the Crystal River Police Dept. to be also taken over by the Sheriffs Dept. The amount of complaints is incredible. There speeding guns were not recalibrated for an excessive amount of time. Not sure how many months constitute excessive but many tickets were written in the school zone that were reversed several months later. This and 100 other legitimate complaints is enough to make the city council here vote on another city police dept being given the boot. A professional sheriffs dept is the only way to go. I am sincere in saying I'm sorry your local police department is having problems. IMO, the more officers, the better for the community. Hopefully, it'll work out for the better.
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I agree with you up until a point. The kid with the camera was handcuffed for doing what? Obviously he wasn't skateboarding in the presence of the cop otherwise the cop would have gone after all of them right off the bat. They were walking with their boards in hand. That's the part of the video I'm concerned with.
Kid w/ the camera should have been let go. Handcuffing isn't really a problem because it's only a detention. Handcuffs can always come off. If you notice, the problems continued for the officer....one person after the next. To settle everything, he began cuffing the ones sticking around who couldn't take a hint to leave. It's for officer safety. Now, taking that kid to jail or giving him a citation??? Hell no.
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Like I said, I agree with you. The only one that I feel was treated unfairly is the camera kid. The kid being choked may have swung but the cop should have choked the kid until he was able to put cuffs on them.
If he swung, you also have assault on a public servant. Now the offense classification is getting up there! He had the right to use physical force to subdue the kid. As I've said before, once those handcuffs are on, that's it....that's all she wrote, folks.





BTW, I used to skateboard when I was a kid too. I had problems being told to leave places. Guess what? I was polite and obeyed. And...I NEVER backtalked anyone!

I have continuous problems w/ skateboarders in my area. I get at least one call on them a day. I've warned them politely time and time again. The majority listen, but there's a few that spoil it for all of them. So, I told them I was going to start writing them tickets if they refused to listen. Word got around. They didn't listen. I wrote the first ticket for a kid doing tricks on a tricycle out in the roadway in traffic. Again, word got around. Still waiting to see if they listen...appears to have worked for the time being...

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I watched the skateboarding one again and the only thing the cameraman says is "sir, it's ok, it's ok" The other kids were being brats, and I see it. I didn't think the guy who's pov we're watching was interferring. if that one sentence is enough to be put in cuffs, ouch.

I know you wouldn't do something as rash as the first one. The second one I was just wondering about the cameraman who was "interferring" apparantly.
It's not one sentence that puts him in cuffs. And, getting put in cuffs isn't the end of the day. He's not going to jail. Imagine doing a powerpoint presentation for example. Someone gives you tons of info to put together. You plug it all into a computer only to have a virus that begins to delete all of the work. It continues and you can't stop it unless you unplug the computer. You need to get control of the situation. You unplug the computer and everything stops...info saved from here on out.

The officer, in a sense, did the same thing. It was obvious he didn't have control of the situation. He tried to break away from the crowd which followed him. The situation continued and he tried to stop those who kept interfering (the girl and boy). Then, to make sure all was okay, detained the camera kid as well...a temporary deal to ensure safety.

You might not think that was okay or right. I understand that you might not agree. But, the situation had to be neutralized in a sense. That's what he did and it stopped the situation.

IMO, the cameraman wasn't interfering.
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the last sentence is all I needed to read. I agree that the cop did the right thing with the other two. I have said it a bunch of times but I was only concerned about what he did to the camera kid. Other than that I think it was a good job on his part dealing with the 5-6 kids.
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YOU! What about me, I freaking compared a Cop to a Dog... :slice:

Sorry 'bout that btw...I could actually feel the blood rising in my head. All I saw of those two videos was that girl being "strangled" (in my head)...

I have a real problem with people harming our girls/women...I know she was talking, and instigated the situation, but I didn't see that while I was uber-pissed...Sorry, TAG.
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TAG That's for all of your input.

Now, here is my take on the whole thing. Too often we see video of something disturbing, keep in mind this video does not show the entire situation. Something lead up to the events that are on tape. I feel that an officer has to protect himself, and sometimes he or she has to make a split second decision that could affect his or her life. These people are trained professionals and the great things they do are not all over the headlines like the bad things. Remember, you usually don't have a run in with the police for following the law.

Keep in mind I know that some police officers don't follow the law, but the vast majority do and I THANK YOU for the job you people do.

Oh, BTW, I thought he was a little rough with the female. A little un-called for.
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I've learned my life lesson for the week:

With the advent of new technology, like, video, and movies..."believe half of what you see, and question the other half."~My Father...It's so true it's scary. unless you(me included) were there before it happened, and after everything was over...There is always more to the strory that you(and me) do not know about.

The shooting by the Vette video...it's my belief that that video was taken by those in-car video cameras that police use...so obviously there was more, that the owner, and editor of the footage didn't want us to see. He/She just wanted to highlight the police officer shooting for what was apparently no reason.

I'm a better person because of this thread, Thank you Mindz, and TAG. and everyone else who added.

* I really have to clear my head before I post...:slice:*
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Dragon, don't worry bout it. We all jump to conclusions at one point or another. I'm guilty of it too. Things get under our skin. But, after taking a step back, we realize there's more to it than meets the eye.

Bcannon, you're welcome. I love conversations like these. The only problem is that I don't get to post everything I'd like to say because it would take all day...you'd probably also get bored reading it! But, this is the line of work I'm in. It's what my brother does (Game Warden actually), my father did (FBI, Police, Director of Homeland Security - California), and my grandfather did (Chicago police - retired at the rank of Captain). It runs in our blood. We are good people who like to give back "get the bad guy."
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