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SSFreak11 · 09-20-2007, 09:09 PM

http://www.newcarpark.com/blog/?p=71

Not sure if I believe this or not....but I figured that I'd throw it out there for you all to check it out.

AirGoya · 09-20-2007, 09:21 PM

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Bob Lutz says the final decision on the location of assembly will come down to the exchange rate between the Australian and American dollars. You can bet your bottom dollar that the UAW (United Auto Workers union) will be campaigning hard for the car to be built in the US.

When it says that it is pretty convincing
Idk how they have heard this and we havnt?
Am I missing something?

SSFreak11 · 09-20-2007, 10:03 PM

Not sure, that's why I put it up. Figured that someone on here may have heard something about it.

*Dragoneye* · 09-20-2007, 10:34 PM

I don't trust that article...maybe the GTO is coming back...

but a "...full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8."

Lots of problems with this statement...

1: how can 362hp be "full on" If the last GTO model had 400?

2: No LS2 was ever 362 hp

3: The LS2 is dead, so why put a virtually non-existant engine into a new car?

4: The imaginary LS2 6.0 liter V8 is NOT in the G8...based on the facts above.

*Mindz* · 09-20-2007, 10:37 PM

Somewhere earlier it was said that the GTO wouldn't come back because they don't want to waste money building an inferior car to the camaro or if it's good enough to bring out competition. I can't remember what thread but I think a GM employee was quoted saying it wasn't happening.

*Dragoneye* · 09-20-2007, 10:43 PM

I believe it. 99% (because it still could happen)

There are no other muscle cars that GM offers...that I know of. GTO was a flop - not entirely because of the car - and we know that Firebird is gone. I'd never consider a monte Carlo in the same league as Camaro...

So, I think I can see what Lutz or whoever said that is thinking. This vehicle is going to have a tough enough time selling as it is. The market of Pony cars, or even coupes, is small. And 3 competitors is enough...add a fourth, and I can see trouble.

*CamaroSpike23* · 09-20-2007, 10:48 PM

you know if they had made the GTO LOOK like something other than a remolded g6, it might have sold better. when I first heard of the GTO making a comeback, I imagined the look of the old school gto's and was hoping that Pontiac would do a retro look to it. (like the camaro for instance) as compared to taking an Australian car and putting a G6 front fascia on it. if they do re-release the gto...again, they need to make it look aggressive.

as far as a 362hp 6.0L being "full on" they might have refered to the 6.0L truck engine LS2. dunno for sure, just my $0.02

*Dragoneye* · 09-20-2007, 10:56 PM

maybe, yeah - that's a good explanation...but that's still off - 362 in a newer car of a verison that had 400...

Sombody needs to do their research better over there...

I don't really know what to think, yet...but for kicks (and I want to use this word/name:p)...I'm guessing it'll be a GT-No.

*TAG UR IT* · 09-21-2007, 01:16 AM

I see another GTO in the future for Pontiac. Not soon. But...I feel one will be built.

Eisenhower · 09-21-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

you know if they had made the GTO LOOK like something other than a remolded g6, it might have sold better. when I first heard of the GTO making a comeback, I imagined the look of the old school gto's and was hoping that Pontiac would do a retro look to it. (like the camaro for instance) as compared to taking an Australian car and putting a G6 front fascia on it. if they do re-release the gto...again, they need to make it look aggressive.

I agree! When I first saw the GTO, it looked like a Grand Prix on steroids. And to top it all off, they were asking $33,000 for the base model??? One of the things people buy is looks, so if GM hands the GTO project to the same folks that did the Camaro... we might have something here.

Occasionally, GM makes weird or ugly vehicles. Take the Chevy Citation for example. Or the Aztec, what was that all about?! (Horrible, I can go down the list.) But looks are what's going to sell any new GTO.

Dark Knight · 09-21-2007, 09:03 AM

Since i am still a GTO fan i figured i would make a comment. I have read a ton of times about the LOOK of the GTO and how it looks like this or that. If someone is basing that opinion on just seeing pics then they really should see one in person. When i first saw one in pics i thought it was kinda ehh. But then at the Goodguys car show here in Nashville they had two GTO's running dyno's and after that i was hooked. I think with the GTO is was more of a "total package" kinda thing. They are quick as hell and the interior on them can't be beat by any other car. I for one hope the GTO does make a comeback but i think Dragoneye has a good point on their being a 4th pony car. I do think that might be one to many in the mix of things. And i have always said if the Camaro comes out and it doesn't hold up to my expectations then it's a GTO for me. ESPECIALLY if they don't make them anymore cause then you will have something rare and more valuable later down the road.

Dark Knight · 09-21-2007, 09:07 AM

just noticed something in that article...the car at the top of the page is badass looking. Anybody know what that is?

Kyle.Gilmour · 09-21-2007, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Knight

just noticed something in that article...the car at the top of the page is badass looking. Anybody know what that is?

From the Headlights forward I would say it resembles an Aston Martin, but thats all I can offer.

Dark Knight · 09-21-2007, 09:41 AM

you might be right...no wonder i like it! Oh if i had the money!!!

sorry...off topic!

*Dragoneye* · 09-21-2007, 10:17 AM

Definitely Aston Martin...but, :eek: That isn't the V12 Vanquish, is it?!?!

Dark Knight · 09-21-2007, 10:56 AM

Yep your right dragon that's exactly what it is.

*TAG UR IT* · 09-21-2007, 12:10 PM

Infiniti

Pencil.Fight · 09-21-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG UR IT

I see another GTO in the future for Pontiac. Not soon. But...I feel one will be built.

I agree with Tag. I don't think it even depends on the success of the Camaro.

If the Camaro is successful in taking enough market share away from Ford, they will bring back the GTO and possibly the Firebird in order to give the GM loyals more options.

If the Camaro fails, they will most likely retire it again, and hold off for a few years before trying again with either the GTO or the Firebird.

The only way I can see them not bringing back one of those cars is if the Camaro is only moderately succesful. Meaning that they're selling enough to not cancel it, but it's right on the line and they don't want to take any risks.

*TAG UR IT* · 09-21-2007, 02:08 PM

They will make sure they get their Camaro sales first...most likely. I don't see more than two musclecars being put out from GM...outside of the Corvette arena, of course (which will never die!!!).

*Dragoneye* · 09-21-2007, 02:22 PM

I dearly adore the Firebird, much like one adores a smelly, yet friendly, and loyal cat.

now that it's gone...I don't want it back. Camaro is plenty enough for me

smokeybrown · 09-23-2007, 11:50 PM

For being a GM forum, there sure are a bunch of GTO haters on here. Haha, I didn't think it would be that way. I owned 2, both great cars.

*Dragoneye* · 09-23-2007, 11:54 PM

not haters...just disapointed spectators
We don't Hate (or at least I don't) any GM vehicle. you'll see we rag on all sorts of cars though

*CamaroSpike23* · 09-24-2007, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Knight

They are quick as hell and the interior on them can't be beat by any other car.

quick and fast are two diff things...

Quote:

Originally Posted by smokeybrown

For being a GM forum, there sure are a bunch of GTO haters on here. Haha, I didn't think it would be that way. I owned 2, both great cars.

GM...I thought it said CAMARO5 at the top...we are more specific here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

not haters...just disapointed spectators
We don't Hate (or at least I don't) any GM vehicle. you'll see we rag on all sorts of cars though

i hate you all

*Dragoneye* · 09-24-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

i hate you all

Eh?

aw, well. Doesn't bother me. I guess we're using each other's quotes out of spite...right? yeah, that's it.

Okay, back to topic. will GTO return, again...I think so.

*TAG UR IT* · 09-24-2007, 01:39 PM

No GTO hater here. In fact, I said a long time ago I liked the car....just not the name.

09-20-2007, 09:09 PM	#1
SSFreak11 Drives: 2005 Dodge Ram Hemi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 112 View My Garage	Will the GTO be returning along side the Camaro? http://www.newcarpark.com/blog/?p=71 Not sure if I believe this or not....but I figured that I'd throw it out there for you all to check it out. __________________

09-20-2007, 10:03 PM	#3
SSFreak11 Drives: 2005 Dodge Ram Hemi Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 112 View My Garage	Not sure, that's why I put it up. Figured that someone on here may have heard something about it. __________________

09-20-2007, 10:34 PM	#4
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	I don't trust that article...maybe the GTO is coming back... but a "...full on 362 horsepower LS2 6.0 liter V8, the same engines that are available in the Pontiac G8." Lots of problems with this statement... 1: how can 362hp be "full on" If the last GTO model had 400? 2: No LS2 was ever 362 hp 3: The LS2 is dead, so why put a virtually non-existant engine into a new car? 4: The imaginary LS2 6.0 liter V8 is NOT in the G8...based on the facts above. __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

09-20-2007, 10:37 PM	#5
Mindz Account Suspended Drives: you wild... Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: The happy place... with the white padded walls... wearing a coat that makes me hug myself... Posts: 10,630	Somewhere earlier it was said that the GTO wouldn't come back because they don't want to waste money building an inferior car to the camaro or if it's good enough to bring out competition. I can't remember what thread but I think a GM employee was quoted saying it wasn't happening. __________________ "The blue rush feels like an Iconic camaro to me, like hennessey and other tuner cars have their own feel to them" ~ AdnanHfuda "Wow...That was record time...I didn't have to remove the pic. It suddenly disappeared in like 5 seconds...haha...Wow!!!" ~Big Al Camaro5 Car of the Week 3/22/10

09-20-2007, 10:43 PM	#6
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	I believe it. 99% (because it still could happen) There are no other muscle cars that GM offers...that I know of. GTO was a flop - not entirely because of the car - and we know that Firebird is gone. I'd never consider a monte Carlo in the same league as Camaro... So, I think I can see what Lutz or whoever said that is thinking. This vehicle is going to have a tough enough time selling as it is. The market of Pony cars, or even coupes, is small. And 3 competitors is enough...add a fourth, and I can see trouble. __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

09-20-2007, 10:48 PM	#7
CamaroSpike23 Truth Enforcer Drives: anything I can get my hands on Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: over there. Posts: 15,297 View My Garage	you know if they had made the GTO *LOOK* like something other than a remolded g6, it might have sold better. when I first heard of the GTO making a comeback, I imagined the look of the old school gto's and was hoping that Pontiac would do a retro look to it. (like the camaro for instance) as compared to taking an Australian car and putting a G6 front fascia on it. if they do re-release the gto...again, they need to make it look aggressive. as far as a 362hp 6.0L being "full on" they might have refered to the 6.0L truck engine LS2. dunno for sure, just my $0.02 __________________

09-20-2007, 10:56 PM	#8
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	maybe, yeah - that's a good explanation...but that's still off - 362 in a newer car of a verison that had 400... Sombody needs to do their research better over there... I don't really know what to think, yet...but for kicks (and I want to use this word/name:p)...I'm guessing it'll be a GT-No. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* Last edited by Dragoneye; 09-20-2007 at 11:46 PM.

09-21-2007, 01:16 AM	#9
TAG UR IT Moderator Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 16,578 View My Garage	I see another GTO in the future for Pontiac. Not soon. But...I feel one will be built. __________________ I thank God for my life-And for the stars and stripes-May freedom forever fly, let it ring. Salute the ones who died-The ones that give their lives - so we don`t have to sacrifice - All the things we love

09-21-2007, 09:03 AM	#11
Dark Knight Does it come in BLACK? Drives: 2001 FIREBIRD (for now!!) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland,TN Posts: 169	Since i am still a GTO fan i figured i would make a comment. I have read a ton of times about the LOOK of the GTO and how it looks like this or that. If someone is basing that opinion on just seeing pics then they really should see one in person. When i first saw one in pics i thought it was kinda ehh. But then at the Goodguys car show here in Nashville they had two GTO's running dyno's and after that i was hooked. I think with the GTO is was more of a "total package" kinda thing. They are quick as hell and the interior on them can't be beat by any other car. I for one hope the GTO does make a comeback but i think Dragoneye has a good point on their being a 4th pony car. I do think that might be one to many in the mix of things. And i have always said if the Camaro comes out and it doesn't hold up to my expectations then it's a GTO for me. ESPECIALLY if they don't make them anymore cause then you will have something rare and more valuable later down the road. __________________ Good things come to those who wait:smoking:

09-21-2007, 09:07 AM	#12
Dark Knight Does it come in BLACK? Drives: 2001 FIREBIRD (for now!!) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland,TN Posts: 169	just noticed something in that article...the car at the top of the page is badass looking. Anybody know what that is? __________________ Good things come to those who wait:smoking:

09-21-2007, 09:41 AM	#14
Dark Knight Does it come in BLACK? Drives: 2001 FIREBIRD (for now!!) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland,TN Posts: 169	you might be right...no wonder i like it! Oh if i had the money!!! sorry...off topic! __________________ Good things come to those who wait:smoking:

09-21-2007, 10:17 AM	#15
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	Definitely Aston Martin...but, :eek: That isn't the V12 Vanquish, is it?!?! __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

09-21-2007, 10:56 AM	#16
Dark Knight Does it come in BLACK? Drives: 2001 FIREBIRD (for now!!) Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Portland,TN Posts: 169	Yep your right dragon that's exactly what it is. __________________ Good things come to those who wait:smoking:

09-21-2007, 12:10 PM	#17
TAG UR IT Moderator Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 16,578 View My Garage	Infiniti __________________ I thank God for my life-And for the stars and stripes-May freedom forever fly, let it ring. Salute the ones who died-The ones that give their lives - so we don`t have to sacrifice - All the things we love

09-21-2007, 02:08 PM	#19
TAG UR IT Moderator Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 16,578 View My Garage	They will make sure they get their Camaro sales first...most likely. I don't see more than two musclecars being put out from GM...outside of the Corvette arena, of course (which will never die!!!). __________________ I thank God for my life-And for the stars and stripes-May freedom forever fly, let it ring. Salute the ones who died-The ones that give their lives - so we don`t have to sacrifice - All the things we love

09-21-2007, 02:22 PM	#20
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	I dearly adore the Firebird, much like one adores a smelly, yet friendly, and loyal cat. now that it's gone...I don't want it back. Camaro is plenty enough for me __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

09-23-2007, 11:50 PM	#21
smokeybrown Lowe's Pro Drives: GTO Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington, Mo Posts: 5	For being a GM forum, there sure are a bunch of GTO haters on here. Haha, I didn't think it would be that way. I owned 2, both great cars.

09-23-2007, 11:54 PM	#22
Dragoneye Moderator Drives: 2008 Cobalt LS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, New York Posts: 15,719 View My Garage	not haters...just disapointed spectators We don't Hate (or at least I don't) any GM vehicle. you'll see we rag on all sorts of cars though __________________ *"Keep the faith."*

09-24-2007, 01:39 PM	#25
TAG UR IT Moderator Drives: THRSS #2 / CGM#1 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SA, Texas Posts: 16,578 View My Garage	No GTO hater here. In fact, I said a long time ago I liked the car....just not the name. __________________ I thank God for my life-And for the stars and stripes-May freedom forever fly, let it ring. Salute the ones who died-The ones that give their lives - so we don`t have to sacrifice - All the things we love

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