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Old 02-19-2009, 07:49 PM   #1
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ok so in my camaro i have pretty much done a full weight reduction on it and still managed to keep the interior mostly intact-the back seats ...so instead of back seats i was wondering what the cost would be for a box that takes the place of the back seats with 2 12s where the bottom would be and 3 10s across the top (one where each back seat passenger would put his back and another in the middle...i also need capacitor amps and equalizer space and i want to try to keep most of it flush mounted) so if anyone would know a round about price for fiberglass and wood it would be appreciated
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sorry. i can't really help with pricing concerns, but that'll completely negate the weight reduction you just did
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all amps have capacitors in them
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True, but not typically on the order of 1 farad or greater.

OP, you're talking about removing the back seat completely, and just creating a huge custom enclosure for three 10's, two 12's, and all of the associated electronics?

If you did it yourself, that's one thing, but if you're thinking about paying someone else to do it, you're look at quite an expense.

The do-it-yourself variety will probably cost you a couple hundred in materials alone, assuming you don't have to do anything twice. That doesn't include the price of all the tools you'd need, such as a good router and bits, nail-gun, and other various things I can't think of at the moment.

If you plan on paying someone to do it, get ready to bend over, and don't forget the lube...
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i have all the tools and materials and the electronics but i was wondering what the difference in price for wood compared to fiberglass....and also i know that amps have caps in them but and external cap will do me more good than some crappy internal cap
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Well, I guess it all depends on how you want this contraption to look. A "wood" box will probably cost less in the end, but it'll be boxy, bulky, and weigh a lot more than the factory seats. A fiberglass box will look better if done right, weigh a lot less, but it'll probably cost more and will take a lot longer to do.

Assuming you have every necessary piece of equipment and you don't mind the amount of man-hours needed to perform either task, you're looking at a wood box that'll probably cost you close to $100 in materials. I'm betting after all is said and done, a fiberglass box will be at least double that, depending on whether or not you have to re-do any portions of the box. I would say you should be prepared to spend about $250-$300 on fiberglass materials.

It all depends on whether or not you have all the right tools to build the box and most importantly how proficient you are at woodworking/fiberglassing.

If this is your first venture into either world, you could easily be spending twice what I quoted.
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You honestly are telling us you have the tools and things necessary to do good fiberglass work. I mean, creating a form, sanding ,gel-coat / painting, and installation of fiberglass are a big job.
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You honestly are telling us you have the tools and things necessary to do good fiberglass work. I mean, creating a form, sanding ,gel-coat / painting, and installation of fiberglass are a big job.
Its not THAT hard i made some kick ass speaker pods for the door on an old thirdgen with two pieces of wood, a t-shirt , fiberglass ,and some epoxy resin .it just takes imagination and creativity .
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Speaker pods on the doors are one thing, a sub box to enclose two 12's and three 10's with all associated amps and capacitors is a whole nother can of worms.
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my family owns a multimillion dollar race shop and we run fiberglass bodies so i have a bit of experience doing fiberglass work...but i think after thinking about it and planning out the box im just gona go with the two 12s on the floor behind the front seats and put the 3 10s in my wifes truck because i believe its gona look to ricey if i do all those speakers back there but i really appreciate all the help and inputs to finialize my decision
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Speaker pods on the doors are one thing, a sub box to enclose two 12's and three 10's with all associated amps and capacitors is a whole nother can of worms.

I think not
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Whats the point of weight reduction when you are going to add more weight than what you originally had? Kinda pointless dont you think?
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I think not
So, you think the more complicated you make something, the easier it is to do?

Okay.
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So, you think the more complicated you make something, the easier it is to do?

Okay.
I think you are blowing it way out of proportion in order to deter people from doing it.Its not that hard to build a box,and working with fiberglass is VERY forgiving.If it doesnt look exactly like you wanted it,guess what,they make sandpaper to fix it. A middle school shop student could do this stuff easily.
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You didn't ask for it, but I'll give you my advice anyway.

I used to have 2 12-inch subs in the trunk of my Cobalt. I bought a box for $80 and enjoyed the Alpine Type Es that were powered by a 600W Kenwood amplifier. My roommate had only one Alpine Type E powered by a superior JL amplifier and a ported box. They both sounded great, but his setup was cheaper, took up less space, and weighed less. If you've gone through all this effort to reduce the weight of your car only to splurge on a very involved sound system, then you may want to set some limits or priorities in order to make sure that you get what you want. So much of a subwoofer's sound is dependent on the box. Having more subs won't make your car's sound system better. It's all bass, so I recommend focussing on quality. If you're going to build the ultimate subwoofer setup, do it with one sub because you'll be able to spend more on making that one sub perfect than spending double on amps, wiring, and materials for a custom box. Trust me. You'll appreciate a higher-quality subwoofer sound than a whole lot of mediocre ones.
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I have a box guy and I would bet everything on his skills..this guy loves installing and building. Has 2 shops one in NY and the other in FL. I know im a newb on this forum but trust me on this. Tell him what you want and he will design it and send you the specs for free. Thats right I said free. He just loves audio that much. If you are interested shoot me a PM and I will send you his information. Can't go on about his work enough..from a simple box to whatever you can imagine.
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I think you are blowing it way out of proportion in order to deter people from doing it.Its not that hard to build a box,and working with fiberglass is VERY forgiving.If it doesnt look exactly like you wanted it,guess what,they make sandpaper to fix it. A middle school shop student could do this stuff easily.
I've seen a lot of really crappy looking home-made fiberglass boxes, but I guess you're right, it's so easy a caveman can do it.

I'm kind of curious to see what a middle school shop student's fiberglass work would look like.
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a full fiberglass box is gonna be a PITA. I've worked with fiberglass and it sucks. Between the mess, the time, and the smell, I'd rather build with wood. And, I'm gonna have to disagree. Fiberglass is not easy by any means. It's a skill just like building a wooden box. To build anything worth a crap takes tools, skill, and patience. Just my 2 cents.
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ok i am responding to you message but i have not got a price yet. its going in a 96 camaro? and i could talk to the shop we do custom fiberglass work. now is time and money and issue? also if you hit up alot of car shows then you might have seen us. sightwaves is the shop name, we did up a lambo and a bmw porsche my scion and soon to be the new 2010 camaro. now do you have all the speakers the amps cap and wiring? if not let me know we can talk. wite me at andrew@sightwaves.com. sad part we are in eagle rock off the 134 about an hour 45 min drive from lancaster
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ok so in my camaro i have pretty much done a full weight reduction on it and still managed to keep the interior mostly intact-the back seats ...so instead of back seats i was wondering what the cost would be for a box that takes the place of the back seats with 2 12s where the bottom would be and 3 10s across the top (one where each back seat passenger would put his back and another in the middle...i also need capacitor amps and equalizer space and i want to try to keep most of it flush mounted) so if anyone would know a round about price for fiberglass and wood it would be appreciated
ok i repsted and for some reason i put a 96 camaro. i was reading something else and got confused. i need sleep. write me at andrew@sightwaves.com and i will let you know more
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I did something similar in a 3000GT I used to own. I was younger back then, and the stereo was high on the priority list. Replaced the back seat lowers with a shelf I made myself out of plywood and dropped 2 12" subs back there. The whole thing was covered in faux leather, black with a strip of red leather for accent. Do you really "need" the 3 10"ers? I kept the rear folding seat backs stock so I could still fold them down. I mounted the amp to the back of the LH rear seat. That way, you could still could get long cargo into the car. As you might imagine, having 12" subs a foot from your head will give you plenty of sound. The best part was that I could pull the whole system out and cap the wires in about 20 min.

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I did something similar in a 3000GT I used to own. I was younger back then, and the stereo was high on the priority list. Replaced the back seat lowers with a shelf I made myself out of plywood and dropped 2 12" subs back there. The whole thing was covered in faux leather, black with a strip of red leather for accent. Do you really "need" the 3 10"ers? I kept the rear folding seat backs stock so I could still fold them down. I mounted the amp to the back of the LH rear seat. That way, you could still could get long cargo into the car. As you might imagine, having 12" subs a foot from your head will give you plenty of sound. The best part was that I could pull the whole system out and cap the wires in about 20 min.
So could the burglars. Just be aware of that. If it's simple for you to remove, I can guarantee the thieves can do it faster.

I have the luxury of having an SUV that had tie-down anchors in the cargo area. I removed those metal triangles and found some grade-8 hardware with the same threading and bolted my sub box down with those existing mounting points.

But even I know, that if a thief wants what's in my car, I don't doubt that they could find a way to remove it all in under 5 minutes...
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