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Old 08-10-2011, 01:25 PM   #1
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Car not level...

It's only 3/16th of an inch, but I wonder why my driver side would be higher than the passenger side? Not normal obviously... But it wonders me. I've only installed sways, so I doubt that would of messed anything up. I've noticed the slight lean for a while, just never measured it.. Am I being too anal about this, or a concern? Thanks for any help.
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:43 PM   #2
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Actually I would like to have that if it were me. if its both I would think that would be ideal so when you sit in the car it would be somewhat level. 3/16th is only about a 4mm difference in height.
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3/16th's of an inch is pretty small...

You mentioned that you've only got sway bars installed on the car, next time your at the dealer for a checkup it may be worth mentioning to them.

It's a long shot but you mentioned that you have Aftermarket Sway bars. One thing you can do if you have adjustable endlinks is to make sure the sway bar isn't preloaded while the car is at ride height on the ground. You can do this by disconnecting both endlinks on each bar while the car is in the air, then put the car back on the ground and when the car is at ride height adjust the length of your endlink so that the studs in the endlink match up with the holes in the control arm and sway bar. Once you've got one endlink front and rear at the proper length match the corresponding enddlink to the same length and install them on the car.

Chances are slim that this is causing your problem, but if it's really bugging you it's worth a check.
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It's both front and rear, just much more of a difference in the back.
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Old 08-10-2011, 03:51 PM   #6
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It's both front and rear, just much more of a difference in the back.
Dan,

There is a considerable acceptable variation in all springs from OE through aftermarket. The body is built withing a tolerance range as well.

At Pedders we measure ride height from the bottom of the wheel rim lip, up through the wheel center to the painted edge of the fender in mm.



This eliminates tire size, tire profile and inflation from the measurement. With the car parked on a level surface, empty as though it were new with a 1/4 tank of fuel delivers a sound measurement. There are more detailed and accurate methods, but those require the car to be on a lift or frame machine.

If you would consider measuring this way we can compare it accurately to the measurements we have on file for OE Camaros. All we need to confirm is your wheel size.

Typically a SS 5th gen with 20s sits at 690mm front and 700mm rear. The variation we have on file is +/- 5mm. 3/16 = just over 4mm or well within range of what we measure as an acceptable tolerance from the factory.
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Thanks Pete! I'll have to give you an accurate measurement, but it's not off far enough to worry me.

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There is a considerable acceptable variation in all springs from OE through aftermarket. The body is built withing a tolerance range as well.

At Pedders we measure ride height from the bottom of the wheel rim lip, up through the wheel center to the painted edge of the fender in mm.



This eliminates tire size, tire profile and inflation from the measurement. With the car parked on a level surface, empty as though it were new with a 1/4 tank of fuel delivers a sound measurement. There are more detailed and accurate methods, but those require the car to be on a lift or frame machine.

If you would consider measuring this way we can compare it accurately to the measurements we have on file for OE Camaros. All we need to confirm is your wheel size.

Typically a SS 5th gen with 20s sits at 690mm front and 700mm rear. The variation we have on file is +/- 5mm. 3/16 = just over 4mm or well within range of what we measure as an acceptable tolerance from the factory.
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It's only 3/16th of an inch, but I wonder why my driver side would be higher than the passenger side? Not normal obviously... But it wonders me. I've only installed sways, so I doubt that would of messed anything up. I've noticed the slight lean for a while, just never measured it.. Am I being too anal about this, or a concern? Thanks for any help.
to account for the weight of the driver. have someone measure it while you are sitting in the car.

almost every car on the road has this offset its just that most people just never pay attention to it
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to account for the weight of the driver. have someone measure it while you are sitting in the car.

almost every car on the road has this offset its just that most people just never pay attention to it
I had no idea there was an offset in new cars to account for the driver, if that's the case, then I'll measure with someone in it, thanks
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I had no idea there was an offset in new cars to account for the driver, if that's the case, then I'll measure with someone in it, thanks
its nothing new. just about every car I've ever owned has had a slightly higher ride height on the drivers side over the pass side.

I remember quite a few threads on another forum years ago when people would swap their springs out on their 4th gens and they'd complain that their drivers side wheels were rubbing when they would drive and that the car didnt look right when pictures were taken with them in the car after swapping the springs.
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On the 5th Gen the coils are the same side to side, but you are correct in that other cars have left and right hand coils. Our GTO rear coils are the same, but the front are left and right.
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I have the same problem but its my driver side that's lower. It feels like I am driving sideways down the road. My front is about a 1/4 inch lower and the rear is 1/2 inch lower. I have no clue what could be wrong...
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I have the same problem but its my driver side that's lower. It feels like I am driving sideways down the road. My front is about a 1/4 inch lower and the rear is 1/2 inch lower. I have no clue what could be wrong...
Please measure using the Pedders methodlogy so we can see where you are relative to our database.
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So I had my gf sit in my car this morning while I re-measured it, and to my surprise, the car sat level... Thanks for everyone's help.
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So I had my gf sit in my car this morning while I re-measured it, and to my surprise, the car sat level... Thanks for everyone's help.

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So I had my gf sit in my car this morning while I re-measured it, and to my surprise, the car sat level... Thanks for everyone's help.
Just one thing , next time you take the measure to double check make sure you use the same GF !
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Can I borrow yours? My wife is heavier than me and I would like a more accurate measurement. I kid I kid, shit, I hope my wife doesnt have an account with C5.
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On the 5th Gen the coils are the same side to side, but you are correct in that other cars have left and right hand coils. Our GTO rear coils are the same, but the front are left and right.
I wonder if the coil isolator is different L to R and not the actual coil...
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I wonder if the coil isolator is different L to R and not the actual coil...
No sir they are the same. I would say that the girl friend measurement is a coincidence. caligrwon562 has a similar issue, but that Camaro is lower on the drivers side. Depending on the manufacturer, OE coils can vary in height by 15mm / 5/8" coil to coil and still be in spec. Body tolerance can easily account for 4 to 6mm. Differences in camber can account for similar discrepancies.
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Hey pete I was able to measure this weekend but couldn't get my hands on a mm tapemeasure. I also have 18 inch wheels.

Front left: 25 3/4. Front right: 26

Rear left: 25 3/4. Rear right: 26 1/4

Its very noticable looking at the car from the rear and driving as well.
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conversion.
left--654.05mm Right-- 660.4mm

RL--654.05mm RR--666.75mm
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conversion.
left--654.05mm Right-- 660.4mm

RL--654.05mm RR--666.75mm
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Hey pete I was able to measure this weekend but couldn't get my hands on a mm tapemeasure. I also have 18 inch wheels.

Front left: 25 3/4. Front right: 26

Rear left: 25 3/4. Rear right: 26 1/4

Its very noticable looking at the car from the rear and driving as well.
You are on 18s and our measurements are based on 20s. No problem we add 25mm to compare

left--679.05mm Right-- 685.4mm 6mm Difference +/- 3mm

RL--679.05mm RR--691.75mm 12mm Difference +/- 6mm

How many miles are on your car?
No giant sub-woofer or amps in the trunk?
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The car only has 700 miles on it and no woofer. I do have a full size spare instead of that stupid sealent compressor.
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The car only has 700 miles on it and no woofer. I do have a full size spare instead of that stupid sealent compressor.
The back sits relatively low in relation to the front. The 3mm side to side variation is probably well with factory tolerances. The rear overall seems to sit low, although I do not know what the total weight difference is between the space saver with compressor and the full size spare. The side to side in the rear at +/-6mm is on the high side.

Have you taken it back to the dealer?
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