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Old 08-15-2011, 06:13 AM   #1
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V6 Brake advice

Hi guys,

I have the non rs camaro with full bolt on set up (Long headers+Catback), CAI, tune, and Vmax TB soon.

My brakes are getting softer with those extra ponies .

Many guys bought those SS brembos but I dont have the 20" wheels. Mine are 19" only so I guess that I cant swap them.

Any suggestions to improve the braking power? The upgraded brake kits are really expensive. I hope to find a cheaper option if available :(.

Thanx.
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:20 AM   #2
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:28 AM   #3
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Hi guys,

I have the non rs camaro with full bolt on set up (Long headers+Catback), CAI, tune, and Vmax TB soon.

My brakes are getting softer with those extra ponies .

Many guys bought those SS brembos but I dont have the 20" wheels. Mine are 19" only so I guess that I cant swap them.

Any suggestions to improve the braking power? The upgraded brake kits are really expensive. I hope to find a cheaper option if available :(.

Thanx.
You may want to get a set of performance brake pads first, it would be much cheaper than a complete swap.
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:35 AM   #4
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You may want to get a set of performance brake pads first, it would be much cheaper than a complete swap.
I need to know where is the main weakness of the V6 stock brake first. Is it in the pads, or rotors, or lines, or calipers ?
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Old 08-16-2011, 08:40 AM   #5
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I need to know where is the main weakness of the V6 stock brake first. Is it in the pads, or rotors, or lines, or calipers ?
Ok, I haven't found any weaknesses myself yet, of course my car is completely stock, I do like to drive it in the mountain roads it seems to perform great. Is your brakes soft? If so you could have Overheated them and the fluid got too hot and even crystalized the pads.
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:29 AM   #6
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I've read a thread where people got the steel brake lines from Pedders (at the moment they are the only ones that fit the V6 apparently), and it seems they made a considerable difference. Maybe JusticePete could help you out?
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Old 08-16-2011, 10:50 AM   #7
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Skyman 08, once you start puting more hp you put more load on the brakes. Most of the modded members with RS package upgraded their brakes to Brembo by swapping their Kits with the stock SS.

Darkone nice to hear from you doctor !! I hope that JusticePete has a solution.
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Old 08-16-2011, 11:32 AM   #8
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Skyman 08, once you start puting more hp you put more load on the brakes. Most of the modded members with RS package upgraded their brakes to Brembo by swapping their Kits with the stock SS.

Darkone nice to hear from you doctor !! I hope that JusticePete has a solution.
I just meant unless you are going to be driving your car on a racetrack or something you can upgrade the pads and maybe slotted and drilled rotors and probably get just as much out of them as you would spending a bunch more on Brembo upgrades. I think many just want to have the Brembo brakes because the SS has them, not because they really need them. Your brakes really don't care if you have 312HP or 400HP a stop form 70MPH is going to be the same no matter what.
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Im sure you can put SS Brembos in there, just get rig of the roller skates by cutting them or replacing the pads.

I thing ive seen SS people fit 19" wheels with the Brembo brakes.

Here are some 19's with the Brembos with out the roller skates.
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I just meant unless you are going to be driving your car on a racetrack or something you can upgrade the pads and maybe slotted and drilled rotors and probably get just as much out of them as you would spending a bunch more on Brembo upgrades. I think many just want to have the Brembo brakes because the SS has them, not because they really need them. Your brakes really don't care if you have 312HP or 400HP a stop form 70MPH is going to be the same no matter what.
I remember seeing reviews about the SS and the V6 and the V6 stooped shorter by about 1 or 2 feet., the advantage of the Brembos is that they don't fade as quick as the V6 brakes., but both have tremendous stopping power.
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I remember seeing reviews about the SS and the V6 and the V6 stooped shorter by about 1 or 2 feet., the advantage of the Brembos is that they don't fade as quick as the V6 brakes., but both have tremendous stopping power.
Thats what I read also, that is why I said about putting performance pads on, they don't fade as badly and with slotted and drilled rotors you would probably be even better off. remember you are paying a lot just for the name Brembo when you have them.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:06 PM   #12
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Im sure you can put SS Brembos in there, just get rig of the roller skates by cutting them or replacing the pads.

I thing ive seen SS people fit 19" wheels with the Brembo brakes.

Here are some 19's with the Brembos with out the roller skates.

Hi Chris,

Nice to hear from you man. It will be good to hear that those SS brembos fit on the 19" but do they really work better than the V6 stock brakes?
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:08 PM   #13
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Thats what I read also, that is why I said about putting performance pads on, they don't fade as badly and with slotted and drilled rotors you would probably be even better off. remember you are paying a lot just for the name Brembo when you have them.
Thanx for the advice Skyman 08, but my complain is not on brake fading. I just need a brake with a better grip.

For god sake my Jeep wrangler brakes stop better than my Camaro brakes!!
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Hey men...
To be honest with you i did feel a little difference in braking power, but nothing dramatic.

If you can but the brembos go ahead and buy them, im pretty happy with them., or just buy some good pads and slotted rotors.
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Swap out the pads. If that doesn't work, then go with the Pedders lines. The rotors really shouldn't be a weak spot, but you could try slotted.
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Swap out the pads. If that doesn't work, then go with the Pedders lines. The rotors really shouldn't be a weak spot, but you could try slotted.
So you are saying that there is no need to go for Brembos. A better pad + Pedders lines are enough?

Any recommendations on the pads?
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Thanx for the advice Skyman 08, but my complain is not on brake fading. I just need a brake with a better grip.

For god sake my Jeep wrangler brakes stop better than my Camaro brakes!!
How much does the wrangler weigh compared to the Camaro? Mine stops great. I have never had to even hit mine hard enough for the antilock brakes to activate.
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Old 08-16-2011, 02:45 PM   #18
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How much does the wrangler weigh compared to the Camaro? Mine stops great. I have never had to even hit mine hard enough for the antilock brakes to activate.
The wrangler is around 100kg less than the Camaro, but as I told you modding the car made it harder to stop.

I will try upgrading the lines first because according to Pedders the rubber stock lines get softer by time and steel is the solution!
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Old 08-16-2011, 03:09 PM   #19
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So you put all that money into making it go faster, now it's time to invest in the brakes and suspension, you want to play you gotta pay....
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The first weakness in any stock braking system is the lines. Get braided lines on it and then add good pads and turn the stock rotors (if they can be turned). Actually on second thought I would bet you have glazed the stock pads. You may want to pull them out, use some 80 grit paper on them and the rotors and put them back in and see how it feels. The better feel may be short lived if the pads and rotrs are seriously overheated but it may give you an idea on what is really needed. The non Brembo Camaro's actually do stop better than the Brembo's. The only thing the Brembo's were added for was capacity and they can take longer heat soakings and not fade as quickly like in road course racing. I am very happy with my brakes. I will undoubtedly put on AutoZone Duralast Gold pads on when they need replaced though. Those were the best over the counter pads I found for my heavy 4x4 truck and they made that thing feel like it stopped like a sports car. If you pads are worn thin, maybe give those a try.
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How come Brembos handle heat soak better?
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How come Brembos handle heat soak better?
The rotor is larger. The Brembo is a four piston fixed caliper with a larger pad area.
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What JusticePete said. One thing I notice too is that some pads heat up rotors more which heats up the pads more and the circle begins and all that heats up the calipers and thus the brake fluid. If you are really racing, then by all means I'd get a top of the line braking system because brake fade can be dangerous. For every day street driving you don't need a brake system like that. The brakes on the V6 Camaro are actually really good stock parts for nornal and agressive street driving. I have not looked but GM probably even used some decent pads on the Camaro. I think when I checked Autozone the stock replacement pads for the V6 were ceramic and were quite expensive...I'll double check though. I'll also look at what type of fluid they use in the V6 as changing fluid types may help with brake fade if you are pushing the stock system and the fluid is boiling.
OP, try knocking the glaze off pads and rotors and see how it feels. I wonder if at some point you were really aggressive on them and glazed them up. Even with more HP unless you are pushing your speeds a lot more you shouldn't be pushing the braking system any more.
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Hi guys,

I have the non rs camaro with full bolt on set up (Long headers+Catback), CAI, tune, and Vmax TB soon.

My brakes are getting softer with those extra ponies .

Many guys bought those SS brembos but I dont have the 20" wheels. Mine are 19" only so I guess that I cant swap them.

Any suggestions to improve the braking power? The upgraded brake kits are really expensive. I hope to find a cheaper option if available :(.

Thanx.
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1. Hawk Performance Ceramic Pads. Or Hawk HPS Street brake pads if you looking to spend less
2. Pedders Stainless Steel Brake Lines. Or another brand that will fit.
3. Wilwood Hi-Temp 570 Degree Racing Brake Fluid. Good stuff.
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