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Old 03-26-2009, 07:34 PM   #51
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people are saying the gear ratio is gonna be better on the 2011 and they are getting all the options that didnt make it in time for production like abl on dash and hud...and possibly navi
They should make it a no charge option because then their posted gas mileage will go down, and they don't need that with big brother government watching over their shoulders. Me, I'll take the standard ratio with lower revs at highway speed and just add some power if I need to go faster. Hey, wait a minute, that's my plan already!!
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Old 03-26-2009, 08:01 PM   #52
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Old 06-07-2009, 10:30 PM   #53
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Hey all, I am new here, but had to post. I have a 2010 Camaro 2SS M6 and my Wife has an 09 Pont G8 GXP. My Camaro is not broken in yet so I am being easy on it, but let me tell you, the GXP is fast and from what I can tell, it will beat my Camaro with those rear gears in it. I am sure this will stir up some #$#$. I would never admit that to my wife, but I am telling you guys that the GXP has the advantage with those gears. My first mod will be 3.73's Camaro. BTW, I love driving BOTH of these cars. So far, I have only seen one other Camaro in Austin outside of mine on the road.
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:11 PM   #54
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3:73's will be nice, 3:42's aint bad. 4th Gen Z28 A4"s came with 2:72's and the 3:23's were a performance upgrade. Made a big difference. I think the SS manuals and Firebird WS6"S came with 3:42's so the stock 3:42's in the 5th Gen should be pretty darn nice with the extra HP. 3:73's will be a bonus. However a lot of LS engine owners thought the LT1 engins had a little more low end torque but flattened out where as the LS engine had less low end torque but a more even power distribution over tthe rpm range. I'm not sure but I'v always thought my "97 Z28 A4 with 3:23's kicked some pretty good butt. Also is it not interesting that the 2010 Camaro 1/4 mile record right now was set with a auto tranny
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Old 06-07-2009, 11:57 PM   #55
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I drove a GXP and it was almost an insulting experience. Everything to do with driving is vague; the steering meanders, the pedals are in a different timezone than the rest of the car, and the brakes only decide to bite at a certain and unnervingly long depth of pedal travel. It gets up to speed without getting excited about it, there's no violence, no sound, and the tranny just doesn't seem to care for being abused on a hard launch. The car felt ten years old off the showroom floor. The radio is perhaps an afterthought, mounted in such a way as to perpetually catch any light source and require its own sunshade even on an overcast afternoon. Climate control has a mind of its own and the window actuators are right where your hand comes down while you're wondering where the cupholders are. I never found the door locks. A great vista of blobby plastic rises majestically over the part of the dash where you used to take note of where your hood was. The wheel telescopes, amazingly, but already sits on so long a stalk as to require you to assume a bobsled-like pose if you're under 6'5. It has something like 145 air/ballastbags to accentuate the billet-iron doors and seat bolsters, an effort to meet Pontiac's ever-estimable weight requirement. The salesman offered to fill the tires with radon. It costs a great deal more than it should, then gets slapped with a gas tax, while looking and feeling no more fun than a trip to the proctologist.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:23 AM   #56
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I drove a GXP and it was almost an insulting experience. Everything to do with driving is vague; the steering meanders, the pedals are in a different timezone than the rest of the car, and the brakes only decide to bite at a certain and unnervingly long depth of pedal travel. It gets up to speed without getting excited about it, there's no violence, no sound, and the tranny just doesn't seem to care for being abused on a hard launch. The car felt ten years old off the showroom floor. The radio is perhaps an afterthought, mounted in such a way as to perpetually catch any light source and require its own sunshade even on an overcast afternoon. Climate control has a mind of its own and the window actuators are right where your hand comes down while you're wondering where the cupholders are. I never found the door locks. A great vista of blobby plastic rises majestically over the part of the dash where you used to take note of where your hood was. The wheel telescopes, amazingly, but already sits on so long a stalk as to require you to assume a bobsled-like pose if you're under 6'5. It has something like 145 air/ballastbags to accentuate the billet-iron doors and seat bolsters, an effort to meet Pontiac's ever-estimable weight requirement. The salesman offered to fill the tires with radon. It costs a great deal more than it should, then gets slapped with a gas tax, while looking and feeling no more fun than a trip to the proctologist.
Umm... have you driven a camaro yet?? I hope the GXP got your expectations down... A WHOLE LOT... otherwise you will most likely be disappointed.
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:59 AM   #57
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Umm... have you driven a camaro yet?? I hope the GXP got your expectations down... A WHOLE LOT... otherwise you will most likely be disappointed.
+1 Coming from a Wankel driver trying to pander to Camaro fans, I think he is in need of a reality check.
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:40 AM   #58
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Also is it not interesting that the 2010 Camaro 1/4 mile record right now was set with a auto tranny
Correction, I believe it was a modified L99 with the auto tranny. Sticks are fun if you like to shift and are after that experience but these auto's are quick too!!!
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I drove a GXP and it was almost an insulting experience. Everything to do with driving is vague; the steering meanders, the pedals are in a different timezone than the rest of the car, and the brakes only decide to bite at a certain and unnervingly long depth of pedal travel. It gets up to speed without getting excited about it, there's no violence, no sound, and the tranny just doesn't seem to care for being abused on a hard launch. The car felt ten years old off the showroom floor. The radio is perhaps an afterthought, mounted in such a way as to perpetually catch any light source and require its own sunshade even on an overcast afternoon. Climate control has a mind of its own and the window actuators are right where your hand comes down while you're wondering where the cupholders are. I never found the door locks. A great vista of blobby plastic rises majestically over the part of the dash where you used to take note of where your hood was. The wheel telescopes, amazingly, but already sits on so long a stalk as to require you to assume a bobsled-like pose if you're under 6'5. It has something like 145 air/ballastbags to accentuate the billet-iron doors and seat bolsters, an effort to meet Pontiac's ever-estimable weight requirement. The salesman offered to fill the tires with radon. It costs a great deal more than it should, then gets slapped with a gas tax, while looking and feeling no more fun than a trip to the proctologist.
This is interesting considering the GXP has seen more praise from the media than the Camaro has recieved.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:28 AM   #60
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This is interesting considering the GXP has seen more praise from the media than the Camaro has recieved.
Maybe he drove the G6 GXP?? The G8 GXP is built on basicly the same chasis, (ZETAI vs ZETAII), has the same engine in the M6 (LS3), same tranny T6060, and handles like a freaking dream. Oh, and the breaking, I think if anything, the breaking in the G8 GXP is too sensitive. Those 14" Brembo's up gront stop on a dime. Maybe the dealer just put GXP emplems on it ;-)
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:29 AM   #61
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Maybe he drove the G6 GXP?? The G8 GXP is built on basicly the same chasis, (ZETAI vs ZETAII), has the same engine in the M6 (LS3), same tranny T6060, and handles like a freaking dream. Oh, and the breaking, I think if anything, the breaking in the G8 GXP is too sensitive. Those 14" Brembo's up gront stop on a dime. Maybe the dealer just put GXP emplems on it ;-)
Sorry about my spelling. Was in a hurry.
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Old 06-08-2009, 10:52 AM   #62
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I picked up a GXP in April, foregoing my Camaro 2SS for now.
The auto-trans GXP is a 'point & shoot' wonder.
Too fast. I barely even tap its potential most of the time.
I've shown my exhaust tips to Audis, BMWs, Lexii, lesser Jaguars and an Aston Martin (model ?) on Route 1, heading south near Highland Park, NJ.

I imagine the Camaro 2SS, with the right person behind the wheel, is as swift as the GXP. Haven't come up against one of those yet.
The best part of the GXP, as it pertains to its capabilities, is in its tastefully appointed and unassuming appearance. A 'sleeper' of sorts.
It's exhilarating to accelerate up to, or just a bit over, the legal speed limit and leave the drivers of other machines slack-jawed.

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The problem is you can't find a GXP anymore even if you wanted one. There are like none to be found around here in NJ so I can't even find one to test drive. And it isn't going to be any easier to find one now that Pontiac is gonzo
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This is interesting considering the GXP has seen more praise from the media than the Camaro has recieved.
Sounds like he is trying to channel the humor of Jeremy Clarkson.
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:02 PM   #65
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sorry, it's just that in my area all i see is immature teenagers in cobalt SS's. By immature i mean reving their engine for no reason, doing peel-outs, and thinking they are world class drivers when they just barely got their license.
LOL you mean like the Muscle Car owners doing burn outs and such ? If you don't occasionally make an offering to the god of rubber, then the god of rubber will force you to drive a Prius. (BTW, I'm 40 and have a Cobalt SS- good performance, crazy handling, 26.7 combined city/freeway for the last 2 tanks with erratic driving thrown in. What's not to love ).

But I don't understand why this would surprise people. .1 seconds is margin of error difference and it's basically the same car for all intents and purposes. The weight difference is only about 100 lbs vs the SS auto.
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LOL you mean like the Muscle Car owners doing burn outs and such ? If you don't occasionally make an offering to the god of rubber, then the god of rubber will force you to drive a Prius. (BTW, I'm 40 and have a Cobalt SS- good performance, crazy handling, 26.7 combined city/freeway for the last 2 tanks with erratic driving thrown in. What's not to love ).
But I don't understand why this would surprise people. .1 seconds is margin of error difference and it's basically the same car for all intents and purposes. The weight difference is only about 1000 lbs vs the SS auto.
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Ya it'd be nice if you could find a RWD package equivalent of a Cobalt SS. So far no one really makes one except for 2 seat convertables. Oh well, the handling limits are high enough that it's not really an issue except drag racing and cookies.
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I drive the G8 GT, it is nice, I have heard that the GXP is quite impressive
I would love to have a 2SS/RS 2010 Camaro, The exterior is just pure beauty!

But to person, who said he drove the G8 GXP and basically said it was a peice of crap, I would love to see what he thinks of the new camaro when and if he ever gets to drive one?

Because they are very similar in many ways, (not counting doors/looks).


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I drive the G8 GT, it is nice, I have heard that the GXP is quite impressive
I would love to have a 2SS/RS 2010 Camaro, The exterior is just pure beauty!

But to person, who said he drove the G8 GXP and basically said it was a peice of crap, I would love to see what he thinks of the new camaro when and if he ever gets to drive one?

Because they are very similar in many ways, (not counting doors/looks).


Oh well, to each his/her own.

I wouldnt worry about it too much because the guy saying that drives a car that feels like it should have 3 green shells revolving around it, and an italian plumber for a driver.


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I would worry about it too much because the guy saying that drives a car that feels like it should have 3 green shells revolving around it, and an italian plumber for a driver.
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With just a few inch stretch the Camaro EL can have some RX8 / Thunderbird suicide doors. Maybe an entertainment center and AC duct on the back. Little bit better seats.

No need for G8 at all.
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LOL you mean like the Muscle Car owners doing burn outs and such ? If you don't occasionally make an offering to the god of rubber, then the god of rubber will force you to drive a Prius.
.... except for automatic L99 Camaro's...
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Anyone saying the G8 GXP is crap is just uninformed. It's a great car. I just can't do
4 doors.
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I drove a GXP and it was almost an insulting experience. Everything to do with driving is vague; the steering meanders, the pedals are in a different timezone than the rest of the car, and the brakes only decide to bite at a certain and unnervingly long depth of pedal travel. It gets up to speed without getting excited about it, there's no violence, no sound, and the tranny just doesn't seem to care for being abused on a hard launch. The car felt ten years old off the showroom floor. The radio is perhaps an afterthought, mounted in such a way as to perpetually catch any light source and require its own sunshade even on an overcast afternoon. Climate control has a mind of its own and the window actuators are right where your hand comes down while you're wondering where the cupholders are. I never found the door locks. A great vista of blobby plastic rises majestically over the part of the dash where you used to take note of where your hood was. The wheel telescopes, amazingly, but already sits on so long a stalk as to require you to assume a bobsled-like pose if you're under 6'5. It has something like 145 air/ballastbags to accentuate the billet-iron doors and seat bolsters, an effort to meet Pontiac's ever-estimable weight requirement. The salesman offered to fill the tires with radon. It costs a great deal more than it should, then gets slapped with a gas tax, while looking and feeling no more fun than a trip to the proctologist.


You didnt enjoy the acceleration in the GXP coming from an RX-8??



That suprises me. Especially since the Rx-8 has about as much torque as my RC car.
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