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Old 03-22-2009, 11:43 AM   #1
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ive never driven a manual in my life so an automatic would be my obvious choice. yet because the specs on the manual are so much better, i want to ask if its really that hard to drive one? (a manual)
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Not at all. I never owned a Manual car prior to buying my last Trans Am. You will be good to go a lot sooner than you think.
I woudl borrow a friends car to drive around for a day or in a parking lot to help you learn.
The amounts of torque that the LS3 has will also help you learn faster.
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Old 03-22-2009, 11:52 AM   #3
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Unfortunately that's a hard question to answer truthfully.

If you have driven a manual, (I learned how on a truck...) its almost like riding a bike. You just know.. its a feel and a perception. If you haven't, I can see where it could be intimidating. Depending on gearing and power, (lower power vehicles oddly) you can be pretty busy. But it makes you more a part of the driving equation.

Advice. go rent a manual, get a buddy that drives stick, find an empty parking lot and have a ball.
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how are the specs SO much better?
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:19 PM   #5
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aww, man. don't be like that.
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Old 03-22-2009, 12:26 PM   #6
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aww, man. don't be like that.
like what? I'm asking a serious question. the .1-.2 sec difference in 1/4 times? the 22 hp that you wont even notice? im just wondering.
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like what? I'm asking a serious question. the .1-.2 sec difference in 1/4 times? the 22 hp that you wont even notice? im just wondering.
the $995?

But seriously, there are enough threads debating the merits of the L99 vs the LS3. if he feels its significantly better to influence a buying decision, its his perogative.
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the $995?

But seriously, there are enough threads debating the merits of the L99 vs the LS3. if he feels its significantly better to influence a buying decision, its his perogative.
i dont consider price a "spec" but if he cant drive a stick to begin with, I want to make sure he's fully aware of the L99/A6 abilities
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Control.....it's all about control...and the fun of it of course. I learned to drive stick on some ole big beast of a five ton International when I was 11 years young.....gidder done !
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I agree with spike on this one...The specs, other than price, are practically the same.

I'm a row your own guy, but I'd ride that auto hard and put it up wet in a heartbeat! And if you're not an excellent stick shifter you'll probably be seeing my brake lights at the 1321 ft mark

Just miss one gear and I'll spank ya with the 6 banger too....Yes, it IS that good.
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Agreed. It's personal preference. That is all.
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Old 03-22-2009, 01:48 PM   #12
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Old 03-22-2009, 03:52 PM   #13
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okay, well thanks CamaroSpike23 for being a dick and im sorry i gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you could actually interpret what i was actually saying because you know damn well that if gm announced the camaro's specs to 435hp and 428trq, you'd be happy instead of saying "aw im not going to notice a change". performance is performance and if i have have to pay to loose performance. and thats the only reason im asking about the manual trans.
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okay, well thanks CamaroSpike23 for being a dick and im sorry i gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you could actually interpret what i was actually saying because you know damn well that if gm announced the camaro's specs to 435hp and 428trq, you'd be happy instead of saying "aw im not going to notice a change". performance is performance and if i have have to pay to loose performance. and thats the only reason im asking about the manual trans.
lol. when you look at it as paying to lose performance, you've already started on the wrong foot.

you said you had never driven stick before. yes....?
you said the specs are so much better for the m6 to the A6. yes....?

I asked you what specs you considered so much better. and you come back with personal attacks.

if millions (if not billions) of people around the world can drive a stick, im sure you could manage. you will kill it, you will burn the clutch from time to time, thats part of the learning process. its not difficult to drive stick. just takes some people longer than others to learn.

the fact that you have never driven a manual in your life before is pretty much going to negate your chances of seeing the 1/4 times or 0-60 times that have been shown that this car can do.
and thats not an attack at you, its the truth. if you want the manual, get it, if you dont think you will be able to drive it (comfortably in your own right), get the auto.

and if you feel like it, you can settle down and answer a few questions of mine.

how many cars have you driven with over 400 hp? how many times have you gone sub 12 sec 1/4 mile? how often will you be taking your car to the track? will this car be your dd?
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I'll answer your questions simply because I'm curious to know because I
was kinda debating the same thing (auto vs man). But I can drive a stick.

NO on all 4.
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correct, only yess dd
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correct, only yess dd
get the manual, take it to a big open parking lot and practice driving it.
get the auto, drive it.
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okay, well thanks CamaroSpike23 for being a dick and im sorry i gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you could actually interpret what i was actually saying because you know damn well that if gm announced the camaro's specs to 435hp and 428trq, you'd be happy instead of saying "aw im not going to notice a change". performance is performance and if i have have to pay to loose performance. and thats the only reason im asking about the manual trans.
Spike is a well respected member here, though he can be a little impatient sometimes. He does know his stuff, so you'd do well to listen to him. His question was an honest one. The difference in engine specs is 26 hp and 10 ft-lbs, 1 mpg worse fuel economy for the LS3 vs the L99. For the performance of the cars, they are essentially even 0-60 and the auto is a couple tenths behind the manual in the 1/4 with a bit slower trap speed. However, you are much more likely to get the auto's times when you take your SS home than the manual's simply due to lack of experience. There is a difference between being able to drive a manual and being able to drive it well. It will be quite a while before you (or I) can drive a manual well enough to beat an auto at the strip.

I don't know if I'll order an auto or manual. It will be my daily driver and there is a good chance that I'll have to slog through a lot of rush hour traffic. So that sways me more towards the auto. But there is just something about a manual that can't be duplicated with an auto.
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Spike is a well respected member here, though he can be a little impatient sometimes. He does know his stuff, so you'd do well to listen to him. His question was an honest one. The difference in engine specs is 26 hp and 10 ft-lbs, 1 mpg worse fuel economy for the LS3 vs the L99. For the performance of the cars, they are essentially even 0-60 and the auto is a couple tenths behind the manual in the 1/4 with a bit slower trap speed. However, you are much more likely to get the auto's times when you take your SS home than the manual's simply due to lack of experience. There is a difference between being able to drive a manual and being able to drive it well. It will be quite a while before you (or I) can drive a manual well enough to beat an auto at the strip.

I don't know if I'll order an auto or manual. It will be my daily driver and there is a good chance that I'll have to slog through a lot of rush hour traffic. So that sways me more towards the auto. But there is just something about a manual that can't be duplicated with an auto.




My problem is that I ordered a manual and with a blackberry reading C5 in one hand and a coffee in the other I don't know how I'm going to shift.

On second thought... I'll just leave the coffee out of the car ~ problem solved.

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My problem is that I ordered a manual and with a blackberry reading C5 in one hand and a coffee in the other I don't know how I'm going to shift.

On second thought... I'll just leave the coffee out of the car ~ problem solved.
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My problem is that I ordered a manual and with a blackberry reading C5 in one hand and a coffee in the other I don't know how I'm going to shift.

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okay, well thanks CamaroSpike23 for being a dick and im sorry i gave you the benefit of the doubt thinking you could actually interpret what i was actually saying because you know damn well that if gm announced the camaro's specs to 435hp and 428trq, you'd be happy instead of saying "aw im not going to notice a change". performance is performance and if i have have to pay to loose performance. and thats the only reason im asking about the manual trans.
Seriously, the Auto is .1 sec quicker 0-60 and .1 sec slower in the 1/4 mile. That's not losing performance.

It's absolutely relevant. According to your OP, it seems you would rather drive an Auto. And the reason you give for this is due to performance.

If you've never driven a standard, I would suggest you get one but like some of the others said, learn on something else first. Manuals are much more fun to drive. For some of us, the thrill was gone a long time ago though.
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See, thats Why I posted that....

More people are trying to beat out the merits of the LS3 vs the L99 than answer the damn, Do I really want a slap gears in midday traffic with the Camaro as my first manual transmission?
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If you have never driven a manual then the auto is your best bet and the better performer. Even if you learn to drive a stick (in another car hopefully), the auto will still be better for you considering your manual driving experience.

I would HIGHLY recommend NOT learning in a new Camaro.
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My problem is that I ordered a manual and with a blackberry reading C5 in one hand and a coffee in the other I don't know how I'm going to shift.

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