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Old 08-25-2011, 01:02 PM   #1
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I am sure someone here, or maybe a vendor knows... why is the price of Eibach sways and springs rather cheap in comparision to other reputable brands? It seems they all make a quality product, and a lot of happy customers on here have Eibach..

Reason I ask is I can pull Eibach for under 470 for the springs and sways... the other three to four top tier providers will come in well over 500.. generally in the 600-750.

Also, it seems Eibach is the only supplier that has angle or flex in the rear sway.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:43 PM   #2
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I am sure someone here, or maybe a vendor knows... why is the price of Eibach sways and springs rather cheap in comparision to other reputable brands? It seems they all make a quality product, and a lot of happy customers on here have Eibach..

Reason I ask is I can pull Eibach for under 470 for the springs and sways... the other three to four top tier providers will come in well over 500.. generally in the 600-750.

Also, it seems Eibach is the only supplier that has angle or flex in the rear sway.
+1 great post, buddy...
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I would say look at the size of the various companies and the variety of products they offer. Eibach has a spring/sway,dampners/coil over set up for a long list of applications they make them for.

Many of the other vendors seem to be more focused on certain car manufacturers/models than Eibach. You make more product, you have more volume, you get bigger discounts in production, you can pass those savings along. I believe I have seen posts from BMR stating something similar.

From reading PQ's comments about Savini wheels, spending more doesn't always get you a better product, just a more expensive one...
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I would say look at the size of the various companies and the variety of products they offer. Eibach has a spring/sway,dampners/coil over set up for a long list of applications they make them for.

Many of the other vendors seem to be more focused on certain car manufacturers/models than Eibach. You make more product, you have more volume, you get bigger discounts in production, you can pass those savings along. I believe I have seen posts from BMR stating something similar.

From reading PQ's comments about Savini wheels, spending more doesn't always get you a better product, just a more expensive one...
Great points, thanks... I take it you are happy with your purchase then

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Steele, I notice you did Eibach with hotchkis chassis brace? I have heard great things about their brace, you happy with the mix and match?

I am looking at hotckis chassic brace, Eibach springs and sways, and pedders bushings.
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Great points, thanks... I take it you are happy with your purchase then



Steele, I notice you did Eibach with hotchkis chassis brace? I have heard great things about their brace, you happy with the mix and match?

I am looking at hotckis chassic brace, Eibach springs and sways, and pedders bushings.
I really like my setup. I have also given others a ride and want this kind of setup. I never did this but check the diameter/stiffness of the Eibacks and another companies sways. I do not know if Eiback is different then others. Also, if you are going to do sways, make sure you get endlinks and lower control arm reinforcement brackets. Once my shocks die (not that I have any issues with them), I am thinking about the Eiback coilovers.

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One other thing, PM APEXCHASE. He may be able to work a deal with you that you may not be able to walk away from when buying multiple parts. Let him know I sent ya.
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[QUOTE=brantley847;3671143]Great points, thanks... I take it you are happy with your purchase then


Yes, I am happy with my choice of all my various suspension parts. I have run Eibach Springs/Sways on numerous cars and always liked the handling...
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Old 08-27-2011, 01:41 AM   #10
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Does anyone really think Eibach is just as good as Pfadt, Pedders, or even BMR or Hotchkis? Eibachs are cheaper because they are made cheaper and are mass produced. From what I've seen, they don't have very good customer service either. Can you pick up the phone and get ahold of the head of the company? I've talked to Aaron Pfadt a couple times and I'm sure Pete (Pedders) is pretty accessable as well. From your mods list, I don't see where you cheaped out on any of the performance parts. Why are you wanting to do that with your suspension?
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Old 08-27-2011, 05:41 AM   #11
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I think you will be fine with the Eibach set up. The amount of drop, spring rate and your desired outcome are far more important than forum support or biased opinions. I think your best bet is to drive a car with lowering springs and sways (classic camaro cfl?), then compare the spring rates. FWIW I haven't heard of any gen5 camaro Eibach failures to date.
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:52 AM   #12
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Does anyone really think Eibach is just as good as Pfadt, Pedders, or even BMR or Hotchkis? Eibachs are cheaper because they are made cheaper and are mass produced. From what I've seen, they don't have very good customer service either. Can you pick up the phone and get ahold of the head of the company? I've talked to Aaron Pfadt a couple times and I'm sure Pete (Pedders) is pretty accessable as well. From your mods list, I don't see where you cheaped out on any of the performance parts. Why are you wanting to do that with your suspension?

When i purchased my Eibachs two years ago there were only two mfg's offering springs at that time and one was always out of stock.No one had released coil overs yet. So Eibach was the only choice for a 1" drop. I have had these springs for two years now and i can tell you first hand the ride quality and handling is excellent.I have never driven a car outfitted with another brand spring to copmpare but really dont feel i have to because i cant see how there could possibly be any noticeable difference.

You state they are mass produced....you think other mfgr's have some old timer making them one at a time by hand. All mfgr's mass produce their springs. No company is going to tool up for production and make one set of springs.No company makes their springs per order.

You say "from what I've seen, they dont have very good customer service either"...well i have contacted them several times and have no complaints on their customer service.I see no reason to speak to the "head" of any company as long as i can reach a knowledgable person who can accurately answer my questions.UNLESS you have personally had an issue with their customer service i cant see how you can jump to conclusions. If you heard a story second hand....just remember that every story has TWO sides.

I have enough funds available to install ANY brand of spring or coil overs that i want. If the Eibachs were no good, handled badly, etc i would have replaced them by now.I guess the biggest question to ask is....have you even driven a car with these springs to make a true comparison or are you just throwing your OPINION out there w/no real "first hand" experience?

Personally, i feel that you cant go wrong with ANY of the big names....Eibach,Pfadt,Pedders,BMR,Hotckis,etc. I think they all should give aprox the same results.
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Well there are a lot of factors that go into cost of a product. Type of material. Not only just the type but where the material was produced from. The type of manufacturing that goes into a bar. There are plenty of ways to bend a bar. Some are more costly but yet produce a better quality bar. An example is the type of end that is on a bar. Some coin or smash the end. Some make a CNC billet end and then weld it to the bar. This is typically stronger as you don't change the metallurgy of the metal. The grain structure changes when you heat it up and smash it. These are just a few factors. In no way am i trying to put down any other brands so please don't take this to be about a specific brand or bar.

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Does anyone really think Eibach is just as good as Pfadt, Pedders, or even BMR or Hotchkis? Eibachs are cheaper because they are made cheaper and are mass produced. From what I've seen, they don't have very good customer service either. Can you pick up the phone and get ahold of the head of the company? I've talked to Aaron Pfadt a couple times and I'm sure Pete (Pedders) is pretty accessable as well. From your mods list, I don't see where you cheaped out on any of the performance parts. Why are you wanting to do that with your suspension?
That is why I asked.. I haven't met anyone who has Eibach who has any complaints. Yet, it seems there are a ton of users who state it is a cheap product or "if you lift your car, the damn thing will uncoil itself". Is that even possible?.. I mean we aren't talking about OBX here..

It seems everyone has mass produced springs... maybe excluding Pedders? Sways may be a different story, but springs seems to be consistently mass produced. They are cold wound, just as Hotchkis, BMR, and so on... I want a 1 inch drop, I do not care for the 1.25+ drops. That is where I finalized it and Eibach made the cut...

I will still be implementing Pedders bushings, as well as Hotchkis chassis brace and strut tower regardless who I choose for sways and springs. As FEN stated, I was under the impression the big 5 (pfadt, eibach, hotchkis, pedders, and BMR) won't have much drop off from one another... we also have to factor in what this vehicle is for me. It is primary a weekend driver when I am not in my work vehicle... no plans to auto cross, MAYBE the strip once a year.

Also, thanks FEN and Quick for your response... I may contact Eibach and try to figure out why they choose or what the benefit is to the bend they have in the rear bar that seems no one else has..
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