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Old 06-10-2012, 11:40 AM   #1
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Would anybody buy new tires that were more than 6 years old?

I bought a pair of Toyo Proxes 4 tires from a Camaro5 Vendor. Before installing them, I checked the DOT date stamp to see the tire's age. It's in code but easy to decifer. The pair were stamped "0306" which means they were manufactured the 3rd week of 2006! Needless to say this didn't sit very well with me. When you buy new tires you expect the tires to be newly manufactured. At least within the last year. These tires are over 6 years old.

So I did some research here on Camaro5 to see if I was over-reacting and it's okay to run 6+ year old tires on your car. I found this thread: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ferrerid=57189

There a link in the thread to a 20/20 news report where people have died and industry experts have deemed any new tire over 5 years old is a safety hazard. Armed with this information, I contacted the vendor and asked for a refund or newly manufactured replacements. Their reply was shocking. They basicly said there was no law against selling old, new tires and that they would be covered under Toyo's manufactuer's warranty. I told them if I knew the tires were more than 6 years old before I bought them that I would never purchased them. I informed them that they are going on a SS Camaro and will be subjected to high speeds and G-forces. They didn't care and it's really disappointing.

So, my question to the senior members, tire experts and those with experience on here is "Should I be concerned with 6+ year old tires on my Camaro?"
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:43 PM   #2
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If you ordered new tires they should have sold you new tires. I agree that this would concern me also. Although its not against the law to sell them it should be noted on the sale.

If the tires show and cracking (checking) on the inside or outside then the warranty should cover and you should be able to return them

Although I do have 6 year old tires on a car I don't drive much, only about 10,000 miles on them. But when I purchased them they were new.

I would put negative feedback on this vendor.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:47 PM   #3
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I would be concerned they were dry rotted. 6 years in a warehouse will do god only knows what to a tire.
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Old 06-10-2012, 02:51 PM   #4
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Unfortunately this is very common. I check the dates on my tires also due to a report I read about this some years ago. There is no law to prevent this, even though it's dangerous. Over time tire get brittle and crack, not something u want on any car at high speeds.

Only thing you can do is make sure the tires are new before you buy them.


Sometimes the nature of safety goes out the window when it comes to making a buck and uninformed customers. If more people knew and were concerned it would change.
you shood see what they allow when it comes to tires for simi trucks.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:29 PM   #5
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Thanks for the advise. As consumers, we should all be informed of these shady practices.

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If you ordered new tires they should have sold you new tires. I agree that this would concern me also. Although its not against the law to sell them it should be noted on the sale.

If the tires show and cracking (checking) on the inside or outside then the warranty should cover and you should be able to return them

Although I do have 6 year old tires on a car I don't drive much, only about 10,000 miles on them. But when I purchased them they were new.

I would put negative feedback on this vendor.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:31 PM   #6
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I completely agree. It's very surprising that this is acceptable.

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I would be concerned they were dry rotted. 6 years in a warehouse will do god only knows what to a tire.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:35 PM   #7
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I'm glad to see people are revisiting the thread "A scary look at old tires". It is a dangerous situation and people should be informed.

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Unfortunately this is very common. I check the dates on my tires also due to a report I read about this some years ago. There is no law to prevent this, even though it's dangerous. Over time tire get brittle and crack, not something u want on any car at high speeds.

Only thing you can do is make sure the tires are new before you buy them.


Sometimes the nature of safety goes out the window when it comes to making a buck and uninformed customers. If more people knew and were concerned it would change.
you shood see what they allow when it comes to tires for simi trucks.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:43 PM   #8
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Have you contacted the vendor?

He/she may had just got the tires from a tire warehouse that shipped directly to you, might not even know they were six years old. Also, I wouldn't give negative feedback on something that could had been a simply mistake and can be corrected pretty easily on their part.
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Old 06-10-2012, 10:44 PM   #9
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I'm no tire expert but i have worked at goodyear for 15 years building tires.A 6 year old tire should NOT be mounted unless its used on light weight trailers or such.No way would I trust them on a high performance vehicle.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:18 PM   #10
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Yes. He is well aware of my concerns and has acknowledged the age of the tires. He just doesn't see a problem since it isn't against the law to sell old tires. It's disappointing that people are just out to make a buck rather than care about the safety of another individual. I intend to file negative feedback.

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Have you contacted the vendor?

He/she may had just got the tires from a tire warehouse that shipped directly to you, might not even know they were six years old. Also, I wouldn't give negative feedback on something that could had been a simply mistake and can be corrected pretty easily on their part.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:19 PM   #11
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Amen brother. My thoughts exactly.

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I'm no tire expert but i have worked at goodyear for 15 years building tires.A 6 year old tire should NOT be mounted unless its used on light weight trailers or such.No way would I trust them on a high performance vehicle.
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Old 06-10-2012, 11:32 PM   #12
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Yes. He is well aware of my concerns and has acknowledged the age of the tires. He just doesn't see a problem since it isn't against the law to sell old tires. It's disappointing that people are just out to make a buck rather than care about the safety of another individual. I intend to file negative feedback.
That being said, you should start a thread here in the vendor feedback section so future buyers are informed.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=75


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Old 06-10-2012, 11:42 PM   #13
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I fully intend to. I just wanted to give him every opportunity to reconsider his stance on the issue before doing so. I'm not being unreasonable. I simply would just like some newly manufactured replacements or a refund.

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That being said, you should start a thread here in the vendor feedback section so future buyers are informed.

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Old 06-11-2012, 01:28 AM   #14
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You are TOTALLY reasonable. I hope this gets sorted out. I would hate for anyone to get hurt over this.
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:43 AM   #15
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Just looked at my tires after seeing the post from the above member.. Mine are are 1209 front 4611 rear so looks like im ok

Ill be sure to look out now
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Old 06-11-2012, 01:48 AM   #16
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Please tell us who I will want to make sure I don't buy anything from them

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Old 06-11-2012, 07:35 AM   #17
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I spent about 12 years in that industry. All of the comments above are accurate. Its not illegal and it's not safe. Kindly ask him to replace them with newer tires.

With that said, tires that are a couple of years old would probably be understandable given the unique sizes we are talking about.

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Old 06-11-2012, 08:53 AM   #18
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What really matters is how the tires are stored. It isn't like they expire in 6 years and instantly go bad. That figure is derived from tires that have been used on the road for 6 years, UV exposure, subjected to improper inflation, weather conditions, abuse, etc... I've seen 40 year old tires that were still in pristine condition on some unrestored classic cars.

If the tires were stored properly (climate/humidity controlled, no direct sunlight), they are likely just fine. But, since you don't know how they were stored, then you have the right to be concerned. Direct sunlight and extreme cold/hot temperatures are what breaks the tire down the most. This is what causes dry rot.

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What really matters is how the tires are stored. It isn't like they expire in 6 years and instantly go bad. That figure is derived from tires that have been used on the road for 6 years, UV exposure, subjected to improper inflation, weather conditions, abuse, etc... I've seen 40 year old tires that were still in pristine condition on some unrestored classic cars.

If the tires were stored properly (climate/humidity controlled, no direct sunlight), they are likely just fine. But, since you don't know how they were stored, then you have the right to be concerned. Direct sunlight and extreme cold/hot temperatures are what breaks the tire down the most. This is what causes dry rot.

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I agree with proper storage is key. Keep in mind that tires over 10 years old even if stored correctly are not recommended for use. The tires are held together with oil compounds and as the oil drys out the tires can just come apart even in tires not showing any dry rot. Some of the recent news media publications where people were killed most that I am aware of were over 10 years old.
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Old 06-11-2012, 04:26 PM   #21
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Send them back and take pics of the tires with the dates and contact your credit card company and tell them you bought tires that are 6 yrs old.

Being 6 yrs old they should have had 50% off

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Old 06-11-2012, 06:08 PM   #22
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I'm not sure if that is allowable to post. I can send you a PM.

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Old 06-11-2012, 06:16 PM   #23
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Thanks for your advise. I kindly did ask for replacements and was refused. I would be okay with 2-3 year old tires but 6+ year old tires are just ridiculous and unacceptable in my opinion.


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I spent about 12 years in that industry. All of the comments above are accurate. Its not illegal and it's not safe. Kindly ask him to replace them with newer tires.

With that said, tires that are a couple of years old would probably be understandable given the unique sizes we are talking about.

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Old 06-11-2012, 07:08 PM   #24
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This made me run out and check the age of the new tires I just bought for another car. 14th week of 2012. Got them at Sam's Club. I'm due to replace a set on the kid's car soon. I'll be paying attention before they mount them.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:33 PM   #25
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As a tire dealer, I would not recommend running tires that are six years old no matter how they were stored. As a car collector I have had 6 plus years old like new tires fail at highway speeds. Most reputable tire retailers will not sell tires that are even two or three years old.... Just my 2 cents.....
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