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KJS · 03-26-2009, 09:03 PM

March 26, 2009.
CONSUMERS REPORTS - 2010 Camaro - Worth the "Weight”?
Years in anticipation and thousand of GMs test mules miles on the road have finally come together this month. Battle scared General Motors announced that the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro will soon arrive at dealerships and released one of the first production models for the automotive press to test.
And test we did!
First Drive- In our Atlanta test facility at the Atlanta Motor Speedway we drove our Victory Red SS2 6 speed manual transmission equipped car at speeds in excess of 55 miles per hour after several test laps to ensure that all safety equipment was working properly - ABS warning lights, tire pressure indicators, air bags, etc. The test driver did notice that tire pressure in one of the tires was one psi lower than the others. Points were deducted from CRs overall score due to this safety device fault. (We did notify the NTSB and IIHS to begin preliminary steps of a recall notice of the Camaro.)
Results - On the track at a steady 55 mph the two door Camaro exhibited a tendency to want to turn left, turn left - perhaps due to the banking of the track. We did not notice this problem when testing it against the CR "Gold Standard", the 4 door Toyota Yaris, a car we consider a serious competitor to the Camaro. The Camaro again lost points due to this obviously poor build quality in the setting of its wheel alignment - not a good sign for a car with such a long gestation period. When conducting the braking portion of our test we were quite disappointed in the much ballyhooed "Brembo" brakes. Two of the test drivers were flown to Atlanta's Mercy Hospital with severe frontal lobe and whiplash injuries due to the tremendous "G" forces they endured when braking. This is yet another safety issue GM needs to address forthwith. With regard to “handling” one of the aspects that Chevrolet has spend much of its time and money perfecting on its Zeta platform , there were major deficiencies noted. For example on the lateral “skid pad” test there was almost no “skid” before it reached .99g’s ! We would expect that a car that was primarily engineered by GMs Australian Holden Division to understand the much touted “21s Century” sports car to be able to “drift”, but alas, once again GM has missed the mark for what ”today’s” driver really wants – to be able to drift from lane to lane.
Although we were hesitant to continue with the remaining portion of the test, reluctantly we did conduct our simulated "Traffic Merge" acceleration test. We found the Camaro to be seriously and dangerously in violation of the Federal Clean Act provisions for new vehicles. When the driver engages the clutch and pushes down the accelerator pedal, plumes of black smoke will fill the rear wheel well portions of the vehicle and the surrounding area for a minimum of one quarter of a mile - with the accelerator pedal push in only half its travel distance. Why? We can only surmise that GM has taken the Federal Relief Package dollars and lobbied an exemption of the Clean Air Act for this engine/drive line package. Certainly not in the spirit of the Relief package. Shades of AIG? Perhaps.
Ergonomics – we immediately conducted our simulated family of 5 seating test. Again, there were safety violations with the 2010 Camaro – no safety belts or shoulder harnesses for front and rear the middle passengers. Also, we noted that the trunk space had been seriously compromised due the overly stylized rear fenders, or as Chevrolet calls them the car’s “shoulders”. The so called “shoulders” rate rear side visibility as a “D-“ for this vehicle. In addition the proportions make the car look “overweight” when compared to the Yaris. And as most readers know CR has been on a crusade about overweight Americans.
Conclusion – GMs Chevrolet has missed the mark of excellence with its latest automobile. We cannot recommend the 2010 Camaro until its safety defects, ergonomics and smog equipment are completely brought into compliance with the appropriate laws and regulations. We cannot recommend this vehicle for the reasons stated above, plus there is no data on this 2010 vehicle that is being produced in 2009. Our computers and our logical minds cannot figure out how to do this.

SandiCandi · 03-26-2009, 09:05 PM

YOU SOB!

YOU ALMOST HAD ME!

HATE YOU!

Redwolf20 · 03-26-2009, 09:12 PM

LMAO! Nice!

TJ91 · 03-26-2009, 09:13 PM

wow, i cant believe i took 2 minuts out of my life to read this lmao, iwill get you back

DDustiNN · 03-26-2009, 09:19 PM

You're too early!!! You should've posted that next week... particularly on Wednesday...

1982camaro · 03-26-2009, 09:23 PM

had me there. Almost lost my appetite reading it

drivingincamaro · 03-26-2009, 09:23 PM

:i ono:

:ion o:

cam2fst4u · 03-26-2009, 09:39 PM

WHAT? you seriously didn't take all that time to write this?

:bangdesk:

KJS · 03-26-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cam2fst4u

WHAT? you seriously didn't take all that time to write this?
:bangdesk:

I'm in the dog house (again) and banished to the den.

cam2fst4u · 03-26-2009, 09:45 PM

as you should be

LOL ok it is almost kinda funny

bob2the2nd · 03-26-2009, 09:49 PM

stopped reading after you compared it to a yaris... you could have at least might a slightly believable comparison!

Liberty1 · 03-26-2009, 10:17 PM

Great satirical article! Love the comparison to Yaris. I wouldn't put it past CR to be this asinine. Good stuff!

nUcLeArEnVoY · 03-26-2009, 10:24 PM

A Yaris. Finally, a just comparison. Forget all this Mustang/Challenger/370Z/Genesis Coupe jive.

Joe Remi · 03-26-2009, 10:24 PM

I would show this to my wife but she's blond and drives a 4-door Yaris. IF I ever got around to telling her it's a joke she would kill me.

*GTAHVIT* · 03-26-2009, 10:31 PM

Not happy....

stovt001 · 03-26-2009, 10:33 PM

Well played.

FenwickHockey65 · 03-26-2009, 11:04 PM

Haha nice.

*Camaro_Corvette* · 03-26-2009, 11:09 PM

LMAO!

I love the end>...Hahahah

Camarino · 03-26-2009, 11:14 PM

lol is it sad that i didn't figure it out until the "YARIS" crack ?

LS3SSRS · 03-26-2009, 11:17 PM

Was this guy high or what? Gold standard yaris.... 1 psi lower.. Some people sigh......lol

2Muchmark · 03-26-2009, 11:42 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHA Very well done!

"1 PSI Lower" was GREAT... it got me so mad!!! I was like "WTF GIVE ME A $#!% BREAK FOR $(* YOU UPTIGHT TURD!"

When I read "Yaris" I was going crazy... "What is a Yaris? Is it the... what? that little car? Whats going on here?"

It took me a few more lines to realize I was being had. Very well done, sir. I hate you.

*radz28* · 03-27-2009, 09:43 AM

YOU GOT ME! LOL!!! That's almost as good as a link to a video keeps infecting my computer...

LOL!

Crowley · 03-27-2009, 10:02 AM

LOL .. that was great ..

Crowley

Rodrunner · 03-27-2009, 10:21 AM

EXCELLENT!!!! Fun reading and quite entertaining. Can't drift, smoke for a 1/4 mi...

CR does love the ricers, but they're coming around to the improvements in American cars.

P.S. - Use the responses to see who has a sense of humor and who doesn't.

Croathlete · 03-27-2009, 10:29 AM

You had me until the two guys went to the hospital for excessive G's caused by the brakes. I was thinking to myself, isn't that a good thing?

03-26-2009, 09:03 PM	#1
KJS 4 years old May 2013 Drives: '10 in RJT; 95 Vette Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 1,278 View My Garage	Another Camaro Magazine Test - Sorry... March 26, 2009. CONSUMERS REPORTS - 2010 Camaro - Worth the "Weight”? Years in anticipation and thousand of GMs test mules miles on the road have finally come together this month. Battle scared General Motors announced that the 2010 Chevrolet Camaro will soon arrive at dealerships and released one of the first production models for the automotive press to test. And test we did! First Drive- In our Atlanta test facility at the Atlanta Motor Speedway we drove our Victory Red SS2 6 speed manual transmission equipped car at speeds in excess of 55 miles per hour after several test laps to ensure that all safety equipment was working properly - ABS warning lights, tire pressure indicators, air bags, etc. The test driver did notice that tire pressure in one of the tires was one psi lower than the others. Points were deducted from CRs overall score due to this safety device fault. (We did notify the NTSB and IIHS to begin preliminary steps of a recall notice of the Camaro.) Results - On the track at a steady 55 mph the two door Camaro exhibited a tendency to want to turn left, turn left - perhaps due to the banking of the track. We did not notice this problem when testing it against the CR "Gold Standard", the 4 door Toyota Yaris, a car we consider a serious competitor to the Camaro. The Camaro again lost points due to this obviously poor build quality in the setting of its wheel alignment - not a good sign for a car with such a long gestation period. When conducting the braking portion of our test we were quite disappointed in the much ballyhooed "Brembo" brakes. Two of the test drivers were flown to Atlanta's Mercy Hospital with severe frontal lobe and whiplash injuries due to the tremendous "G" forces they endured when braking. This is yet another safety issue GM needs to address forthwith. With regard to “handling” one of the aspects that Chevrolet has spend much of its time and money perfecting on its Zeta platform , there were major deficiencies noted. For example on the lateral “skid pad” test there was almost no “skid” before it reached .99g’s ! We would expect that a car that was primarily engineered by GMs Australian Holden Division to understand the much touted “21s Century” sports car to be able to “drift”, but alas, once again GM has missed the mark for what ”today’s” driver really wants – to be able to drift from lane to lane. Although we were hesitant to continue with the remaining portion of the test, reluctantly we did conduct our simulated "Traffic Merge" acceleration test. We found the Camaro to be seriously and dangerously in violation of the Federal Clean Act provisions for new vehicles. When the driver engages the clutch and pushes down the accelerator pedal, plumes of black smoke will fill the rear wheel well portions of the vehicle and the surrounding area for a minimum of one quarter of a mile - with the accelerator pedal push in only half its travel distance. Why? We can only surmise that GM has taken the Federal Relief Package dollars and lobbied an exemption of the Clean Air Act for this engine/drive line package. Certainly not in the spirit of the Relief package. Shades of AIG? Perhaps. Ergonomics – we immediately conducted our simulated family of 5 seating test. Again, there were safety violations with the 2010 Camaro – no safety belts or shoulder harnesses for front and rear the middle passengers. Also, we noted that the trunk space had been seriously compromised due the overly stylized rear fenders, or as Chevrolet calls them the car’s “shoulders”. The so called “shoulders” rate rear side visibility as a “D-“ for this vehicle. In addition the proportions make the car look “overweight” when compared to the Yaris. And as most readers know CR has been on a crusade about overweight Americans. Conclusion – GMs Chevrolet has missed the mark of excellence with its latest automobile. We cannot recommend the 2010 Camaro until its safety defects, ergonomics and smog equipment are completely brought into compliance with the appropriate laws and regulations. We cannot recommend this vehicle for the reasons stated above, plus there is no data on this 2010 vehicle that is being produced in 2009. Our computers and our logical minds cannot figure out how to do this. __________________ *"As ye sow, so shall ye reap" - Me* Mine at sunset

03-26-2009, 09:05 PM	#2
SandiCandi Drives: 2010 Camaro Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 163	YOU SOB! YOU ALMOST HAD ME! HATE YOU! __________________ On order - one kick a$$ 2010 2SS Black/Black manual with 21in chrome

03-26-2009, 09:19 PM	#5
DDustiNN Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: MI Posts: 1,843	You're too early!!! You should've posted that next week... particularly on Wednesday... __________________

03-26-2009, 09:23 PM	#7
drivingincamaro Drives: 95 civic Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 5,809	:i ono::ion o: __________________

03-26-2009, 09:39 PM	#8
cam2fst4u Drives: 08 SS trailblazer,08 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: stanley va Posts: 6,299 View My Garage	WHAT? you seriously didn't take all that time to write this? :bangdesk: __________________ http://cam2fst4u.mybrute.com

03-26-2009, 09:12 PM	#3
Redwolf20 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lemoore, CA Posts: 365	LMAO! Nice!

03-26-2009, 09:13 PM	#4
TJ91 :chevy: Drives: 2LT/RS Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 12,346	wow, i cant believe i took 2 minuts out of my life to read this lmao, iwill get you back

03-26-2009, 09:23 PM	#6
1982camaro Drives: 1982 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: california Posts: 153	had me there. Almost lost my appetite reading it

03-26-2009, 09:45 PM	#10
cam2fst4u Drives: 08 SS trailblazer,08 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: stanley va Posts: 6,299 View My Garage	as you should be LOL ok it is almost kinda funny __________________ http://cam2fst4u.mybrute.com

03-26-2009, 09:49 PM	#11
bob2the2nd Drives: CGM 2LT RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: newark, de Posts: 542	stopped reading after you compared it to a yaris... you could have at least might a slightly believable comparison!

03-26-2009, 10:17 PM	#12
Liberty1 Drives: Chevrolet Camaro SS; 2010 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 121	Great satirical article! Love the comparison to Yaris. I wouldn't put it past CR to be this asinine. Good stuff! __________________ Ordered on 3-14-09 Current Status as of 6-19-09:DELIVERED!!!! VIN: 2G1FK1EJ1A9113998 Meet Black Betty...

03-26-2009, 10:24 PM	#13
nUcLeArEnVoY Oldbie that nobody knows Drives: Black 2011 Camaro 1SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Homestead, FL Posts: 2,869 View My Garage	A Yaris. Finally, a just comparison. Forget all this Mustang/Challenger/370Z/Genesis Coupe jive. __________________ MY CAMARO

03-26-2009, 10:24 PM	#14
Joe Remi Drives: '09 Chevy HHR SS, Victory Red Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vallejo, CA. Posts: 215	I would show this to my wife but she's blond and drives a 4-door Yaris. IF I ever got around to telling her it's a joke she would kill me.

03-26-2009, 10:31 PM	#15
GTAHVIT One Lucky Guy. Drives: #22 Tom Henry Racing 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,313 View My Garage	Not happy.... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-26-2009, 10:33 PM	#16
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,817	Well played. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

03-26-2009, 11:04 PM	#17
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: Carbon Metallic 2003 GMC Envoy SLE Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 25,572 View My Garage	Haha nice. __________________ FenwickHockey65's GM Thread! 2013 GMC Terrain SLE 2003 GMC Envoy SLE 1998 GMC Sonoma SLS Extended Cab

03-26-2009, 11:09 PM	#18
Camaro_Corvette 50.335252,6.947103 Drives: Anything with wheels Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 20,242 View My Garage	LMAO! I love the end>...Hahahah __________________

03-26-2009, 11:14 PM	#19
Camarino DrIvE iT LiKe Ya STOLE It Drives: 2005 Mustang, '68 Camaro Z28 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Bronx, NY Posts: 1,007	lol is it sad that i didn't figure it out until the "YARIS" crack ? __________________ Lol SILLY RICER WINGS ARE FOR PLANES! :flag1: :flag2: :flag1: :flag2:

03-26-2009, 11:17 PM	#20
LS3SSRS Drives: 2010 IBM SS/RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 810	Was this guy high or what? Gold standard yaris.... 1 psi lower.. Some people sigh......lol __________________ 2SS/RS, 6spd manual, IBM w/black leather Blacked out tail/signal lights, 5% rear tint, 20% sides, Dynomax Bullet exhaust, Barton short throw shifter, Clear Image offroad downpipes Last edited by LS3SSRS; 03-27-2009 at 02:58 AM.

03-26-2009, 11:42 PM	#21
2Muchmark Drives: waiting... Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 785	HAHAHAHAHAHA Very well done! "1 PSI Lower" was GREAT... it got me so mad!!! I was like "WTF GIVE ME A $#!% BREAK FOR $(* YOU UPTIGHT TURD!" When I read "Yaris" I was going crazy... "What is a Yaris? Is it the... what? that little car? Whats going on here?" It took me a few more lines to realize I was being had. Very well done, sir. I hate you.

03-27-2009, 09:43 AM	#22
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crapramento, Crapifornia Posts: 12,949 View My Garage	YOU GOT ME! LOL!!! That's almost as good as a link to a video keeps infecting my computer... LOL! __________________ "...What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy..." - fbodfather

03-27-2009, 10:02 AM	#23
Crowley Okie doke Drives: 2012 GT500 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: McKinney Texas Posts: 3,774 View My Garage	LOL .. that was great .. Crowley __________________

03-27-2009, 10:21 AM	#24
Rodrunner Senior Member Drives: 2010 SS/RS, '06 350Z Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: So. Maryland Posts: 2,333	EXCELLENT!!!! Fun reading and quite entertaining. Can't drift, smoke for a 1/4 mi... CR does love the ricers, but they're coming around to the improvements in American cars. P.S. - Use the responses to see who has a sense of humor and who doesn't. __________________ 2SS/RS - Black/Black - CGM Rally Stripes - Auto - VIN 10171

03-27-2009, 10:29 AM	#25
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