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Old 03-28-2009, 12:53 AM   #51
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Ok, the "honest review" totally misses the fact that a 2010 model (actually no GM cars I know of) still does not come with HD Radio STANDARD?! No Nav Screen option either... *sigh*

GM: Give us at least the OPTIONS!
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^Geez - who is this guy...? ^

Liberty this "honest review" is an in depth first hand account of DAILY DRIVING of the Camaro by a CTF who was nice enough to type up 4 pages to give us here an idea of what it is like to drive the the V6 & V8 camaro day to dayrather than opinions, reviews, & balls-to-the-wall testing from magazines.....everyone else just said THANK YOU

& it has been discussed IN DEPTH why they do not offer HD (XM) or NAV (OnStar/more $ in performance and lower cost to consumer)
............. *SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH*
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:18 AM   #52
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Ok, the "honest review" totally misses the fact that a 2010 model (actually no GM cars I know of) still does not come with HD Radio STANDARD?! No Nav Screen option either... *sigh*

GM: Give us at least the OPTIONS!
Do you want a 304 HP sports car starting at $23,000 or do you want a Camaro costing you over $50k?

Your choice.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:25 AM   #53
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Liberty this "honest review" is an in depth first hand account of DAILY DRIVING of the Camaro by a CTF who was nice enough to type up 4 pages to give us here an idea of what it is like to drive the the V6 & V8 camaro day to dayrather than opinions, reviews, & balls-to-the-wall testing from magazines.....everyone else just said THANK YOU

& it has been discussed IN DEPTH why they do not offer HD (XM) or NAV (OnStar/more $ in performance and lower cost to consumer)
............. *SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH*


This isn't against anyone but I think no matter what they put in it or didn't put in it there is always going to be someone second guessing GM. If they put every possible thing they could in it someone would want something different. I just can't wait til they actually get here. If you want something different well thats what aftermarket stuff is for.
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:28 AM   #54
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Thanks #3...cant wait to have one in Augusta GA
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Old 03-28-2009, 05:40 AM   #55
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Old 03-28-2009, 06:01 AM   #56
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:16 AM   #57
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Thanks for taking the time to do the write up. It was very helpful to me and very good!
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Old 03-28-2009, 08:23 AM   #58
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I don't have word on my computer. wish this was a pdf.
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Old 03-28-2009, 10:05 AM   #59
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What concerns me is the handling, the skid pad results, .88, as well as the Motor Trend video which shows that the driver had to actually prevent the car from skidding out of control during the slalom test. The essence of my '69 Camaro (Unibody helped, I bet) is that only did it look timelessly beautiful, but it had the power and superb handling. The new one seems to have downgraded the handling perhaps in favor of the independent rear wheel suspension as well as that other disappointment, the weight, 3,800 pounds worth, that is a porker, to me! Not sure, but I think the '69 was in the 3,400 hundred curb weight range. That is, there are structural limitations on this newest generation that I do not think can be addressed. I read there were two development groups working on the Camaro, the first wanted to build a completely retro version much like the early version Mustang and new Challenger, Lutz opted for this one. I kind of wish he went with the first team, instead. You know what? I went and tried to find some of these online and looks like the Chevy team co-opted them so all you see is this produced version, kind of proves my point. I bet the retro model would have had not only the looks but the reduced weight and superior handling to go along with it.
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Old 03-28-2009, 12:42 PM   #60
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:05 PM   #61
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Thanks Number 3 -- great review!
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:46 PM   #62
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1. HD Radio is not expensive, and no monthly fees, unlike Satellite radio.
2. Having a NAV Screen OPTION does not raise any price, just how a sunroof is an OPTION.
3. Heck, 2009 is the shutoff of analog broadcast TV, but here we are with no free digital radio as even an option in a 2010 car...
However, the number of people that would actually pay for a $2,000 NAV radio is very small. The number buying $900 sunroof is very high. There is substantial tooling and development costs involved in nearly every option. Traditionally there are very few people in this segment that pay (depending on your sticker) 5 to 10% more for NAV Radio. Plus with the huge popularity in Garmin, Tom Tom etc. the sales volume for built in NAV is even lower, expecailly in this segment. OnStar turn by turn is actually better in every way except you don't see the map.

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CTF stands for what? When people use acronyms, it's best practice to define it first, then use the abbreviation afterwards...
Captured Test Fleet. Sorry, but a lot of people on Camaro5 have read my posts and know that. I wasn't thinking of the new members. My bad.
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Old 03-28-2009, 01:54 PM   #63
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1. HD Radio is not expensive, and no monthly fees, unlike Satellite radio.
2. Having a NAV Screen OPTION does not raise any price, just how a sunroof is an OPTION.
3. Heck, 2009 is the shutoff of analog broadcast TV, but here we are with no free digital radio as even an option in a 2010 car...
Well, when you can come up with the money for the engineering, development, and integration of those features, be sure to send the check to GM.
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:01 PM   #64
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Great honest review. It really doesn't sound like this car has any downsides except the smallish trunk opening but at least it has plenty of room inside.
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Old 03-28-2009, 02:33 PM   #65
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Thanks for the write Number 3, hope you do not have to give them up any time soon,, in the mean time go and have a blast in them and enjoy the ride . Thanks for sharing...:-)
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Old 03-28-2009, 03:15 PM   #66
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I would love to read the "3 months with Number 3" review but my computer apparently doesn't have the program it was typed on so I cannot get it. I have the Microsoft Works Word Processor on my computer. I'm also not very good at computers. Can anyone cut and paste this review to the program I have or offer any other suggestions so I can access it? Thanks.

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Old 03-28-2009, 03:30 PM   #67
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I would love to read the "3 months with Number 3" review but my computer apparently doesn't have the program it was typed on so I cannot get it. I have the Microsoft Works Word Processor on my computer. I'm also not very good at computers. Can anyone cut and paste this review to the program I have or offer any other suggestions so I can access it? Thanks.
If you would have read the whole thread, you would have seen that I already converted his document to PDF format. See the following link.

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Old 03-28-2009, 04:03 PM   #68
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good review man... this wait is killing me
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Old 03-28-2009, 04:20 PM   #69
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thank you for taking the time to write that up number 3, we all appreciate it
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Thanks codykniffen but I had tried that as well and got the following:

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As you can see, it is not readable. Any other suggestions?


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Thanks codykniffen but I had tried that as well and got the following:

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As you can see, it is not readable. Any other suggestions?


If you send me a PM with your email address, I will copy the document in the body of the email for you.
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Old 03-28-2009, 04:38 PM   #72
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Sounds like you might need to download Adobe Acrobat Reader, gen5-ss. It's free, and available from www.adobe.com.

And much thanks to Number 3 for the write up! I just got back from a car show where a couple guys were grousing about the trunk, and I mentioned your golf bag video.
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Thanks so much for your response. You can send me an email at Vette7t8@cs.com.

You are the man!!!

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