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Old 03-26-2009, 11:56 PM   #1
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Wrapping Headers??

Will anyone be wrapping headers to keep the heat in the exhaust were it belongs? Or is this old school?
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:09 AM   #2
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I'd only consider it if I was giving them as a present.




Really, I've never heard of that before.
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Old 03-27-2009, 09:16 AM   #3
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I don't plan on getting long tubes, but If I were I would look at wrapping them .... It depends on what they are made of as well .. I dont' think you need to on most ceramic coated headers but it may help with others .... Just my 2 cents .. I am by no means an expert ..

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Old 03-27-2009, 12:15 PM   #4
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I'm going to get mine ceramic coated and ask the mfr if they recommend wrapping it. I don't know if this is still the case, but back when I had my '68 Hedman told me wrapping voided the warranty, even though they were ceramic coated.

I would imagine that coating and wrapping would help light the cats sooner, as well as provide more accurate O2 readings, so I'll probably do it anyway. It sure does look ugly though.
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:44 PM   #5
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Header manufacturers will void your warranty for wrapping headers. The wrap holds in moisture accelerating the rust/corrosion process.
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Old 03-27-2009, 01:53 PM   #6
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Header manufacturers will void your warranty for wrapping headers. The wrap holds in moisture accelerating the rust/corrosion process.
If you spend the $$$ on stainless headers, there's no reason to wrap, unless there are clearance problems with soft parts. If that's the case, that sounds more like a problem with the design of the header/exhaust and not so much it's ability to control heat.

To me, I'd take the extra money it would cost over coated headers and get stainless, either T409, T304, T321. The 409 will show a little surface rust but it won't attack the integrity of the metal. The 304 wil discolor and might show a tiny bit of rust under extreme circumstances (i.e. salty and moist conditions). T321 is even better and more resistant.

I've painted mild steel headers and had not experienced corrosion issues at all where I live, but the climate isn't too humid and we get no salt. I'm sure living on the coast or where the roads get salted would change things though.

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Old 03-27-2009, 02:08 PM   #7
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Jet-hot coated, even for SS
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Old 03-27-2009, 02:40 PM   #8
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Anyways, never wrap your headers.
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WELCOME! Agreed. I think there are many other alternatives, like have been posted already.
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If you spend the $$$ on stainless headers, there's no reason to wrap, unless there are clearance problems with soft parts. If that's the case, that sounds more like a problem with the design of the header/exhaust and not so much it's ability to control heat.

To me, I'd take the extra money it would cost over coated headers and get stainless, either T409, T304, T321. The 409 will show a little surface rust but it won't attack the integrity of the metal. The 304 wil discolor and might show a tiny bit of rust under extreme circumstances (i.e. salty and moist conditions). T321 is even better and more resistant.

I've painted mild steel headers and had not experienced corrosion issues at all where I live, but the climate isn't too humid and we get no salt. I'm sure living on the coast or where the roads get salted would change things though.

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stainless arent always cheaper ya know. lol

I will not wrap headers if they are ceramic coated or stainless. I have wrapped headers before in the past, but they were rat rod motors and they were exposed to the elements regardless. the only other times ive wrapped up was with a turbo setup.
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Curently running Dynatec long tube headers on my 5.3
Headers are jet coated. Stainless steel block to bacK.
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Old 03-27-2009, 06:05 PM   #12
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Maybe that's why they offer shorty headers... (never heard of those before). I used to have to wrap my ceramic coated headers to keep from changing starters every 6 months. Nothing like a lifetime warranty on parts

Might also depend on the path of the tubes and electronic parts etc.
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Maybe that's why they offer shorty headers... (never heard of those before). I used to have to wrap my ceramic coated headers to keep from changing starters every 6 months. Nothing like a lifetime warranty on parts

Might also depend on the path of the tubes and electronic parts etc.
I wrap my starter...
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stainless arent always cheaper ya know. lol

I will not wrap headers if they are ceramic coated or stainless. I have wrapped headers before in the past, but they were rat rod motors and they were exposed to the elements regardless. the only other times ive wrapped up was with a turbo setup.
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I wrap my starter...
I must've mis-spoke; I didn't mean they were cheaper at all. Shoot, I've seen cheap stainless headers and they seemed pretty scary. All of them weren't garbage though, so one might get lucky. As hard as they can be to put them on though, I'd rather play it safe on a known part.

DFI starter blanket here too.
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Old 03-27-2009, 11:45 PM   #15
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Wow thats old school hot rod.
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Yeah wrapping is old school. With ceramic coating there's no need to wrap anymore.
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I'm just gonna run open valve ports. All you losers and you're "restriction". Ha!
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