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Old 08-30-2011, 02:20 AM   #1
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BUT, I will take anything with a supercharger in it that is not called an SS. So its a ZL1 for me if it cannot be called a Z28. Who else is with me? I held out for a factory produced supercharged camaro since rumor became truth and seeing the CTS/V8 and realized that there was a good chance it would become a reality. Are there still any hold outs for a Z28? Or has anyone else jumped ship with me in hopes of purchasing a new ZL1?
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BUT, I will take anything with a supercharger in it that is not called an SS. So its a ZL1 for me if it cannot be called a Z28. Who else is with me? I held out for a factory produced supercharged camaro since rumor became truth and seeing the CTS/V8 and realized that there was a good chance it would become a reality. Are there still any hold outs for a Z28? Or has anyone else jumped ship with me in hopes of purchasing a new ZL1?
If you read a few of the threads in this Z/28 section, you will quickly realize that there are a lot of us waiting for a Z/28. I think the ZL1 will be an awesome vehicle, but I think a Z/28 will fit my needs better.
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What does this have to do with the SECTION??? you have put in a THREAD in a SECTION that has nothing to do with the SECTION topic...start your own blog or something...geez
Your post has been "repaired"...

Pot...kettle...BLACK...

What does this THREAD have to do with this SECTION?

NO ship-jumpers here, that's for sure. A "real" Z/28 is what we seek...and what we'll find. In fact, I think you'll find there's room in THIS "boat"...

Please enjoy your ZL1.
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BUT, I will take anything with a supercharger in it that is not called an SS. So its a ZL1 for me if it cannot be called a Z28. Who else is with me? I held out for a factory produced supercharged camaro since rumor became truth and seeing the CTS/V8 and realized that there was a good chance it would become a reality. Are there still any hold outs for a Z28? Or has anyone else jumped ship with me in hopes of purchasing a new ZL1?
There are some who never wanted a supercharged Camaro in the first place, and felt that it would have been wrong to call such a car a Z28. So why would they ever jump ship to the ZL1?
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There are some who never wanted a supercharged Camaro in the first place, and felt that it would have been wrong to call such a car a Z28. So why would they ever jump ship to the ZL1?
Perhaps I read into things too much, that comes from my training and personal experience. Can't help it. The more I read the ZL1/Z28 debate, the more I learn. The more time that passes gives me pause for thought and reflection. In this enviorment one can understand more information, and in turn, how they feel about things in relation to that knowledge. For me, it's causing a real issue over what I want. A sure thing is better than a maybe, but if it's not exactly what you want, it's a compromise.
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Pot...kettle...BLACK...

What does this THREAD have to do with this SECTION?

NO ship-jumpers here, that's for sure. A "real" Z/28 is what we seek...and what we'll find. In fact, I think you'll find there's room in THIS "boat"...

Please enjoy your ZL1.
It has to do with the Z28s...I've been waiting and waiting and cannot wait any longer for a hostile takeover in GM management to run things the way we want things to be run. As for the future of the Z28...I wish it was there but look what they did to Pontiac and the trans-am. I've owned two Z28s and prefer that model over an SS any day of the week. But I am a power freak and a modder...so getting an actual production supercharged vehicle from the factory warranty is a MAJOR plus than having an early expired warranty do to modding the heck outta of an engine. I was offended like I would hope most of you were when Jay Leno mummbled something about that V6 turbo-charged camaro at SEMA 2009 being called a 'z28'. He lost a few notches of respect from me for that comment. I have always thought of a Z28 as a V8 and hope it remains that way and that it would be a future model and not a package for the camaro. But sometimes you have to take what you can get...while refusing to buy an SS camaro...I had to replace my 94' Z28 when I spun the bearings on the engine...the way most of my cars seem to die! However, I ended up getting a great deal on a 08' Trailblazer (3)SS with less than 9k on it last November for 29k...I mean if you had the money for 390hp 400tor and 4.10 in the rear end with it being fully loaded...I think a few would pull the trigger too just to have as a replacement to wait longer on a Z28. Anyhow, my point is wether you want a supercharger or not...the ZL1 is probably the closest we are gonna get to a Z28 anytime soon other than a package option. And I am having camaro withdrawals even in my daily driver. But as I stated at least its not the SS. So I don't know why you think this isn't related to Z28s...hence, I guess I just needed to add more information. Though in a way I guess I am selling out or trading up for a ZL1 instead of waiting, wishing, and hoping for a Z28 model. But maybe when they revamp the over all 5th gen in what 2014? it will happen. But for now I'm gonna pull the trigger again and rack up some more tickets and enjoy doing it all the way down the road!


P>S> I would have loved to have the option to buy a Z28 with an LS7 no supercharger but the chances of something like this being produced by GM now a days just won't happen in this economy. My fear is the early 80s all over again...

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BUT, I will take anything with a supercharger in it that is not called an SS. So its a ZL1 for me if it cannot be called a Z28. Who else is with me? I held out for a factory produced supercharged camaro since rumor became truth and seeing the CTS/V8 and realized that there was a good chance it would become a reality. Are there still any hold outs for a Z28? Or has anyone else jumped ship with me in hopes of purchasing a new ZL1?
I'm holding out for a new Z/28 and can wait a few more years.
As for jumping ship, if and that's a if, it won't be for a ZL1.
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I've owned two Z28s and prefer that model over an SS any day of the week.... But sometimes you have to take what you can get...while refusing to buy an SS camaro...
What have you got against the SS? My 2010 SS is 10 times the car my '78 and '79 Z28's were. Those cars were just decals and fake scoops with no-power smog motors. Granted, they handled a little better than most cars on the road then, but nowhere near as good as my current SS.

In my mind the 69 to 70 1/2 Z28 was the King of the Hill, but starting in '72 GM didn't have a clue about making horsepower with the new smog restrictions. I think that held true through the late 90's when the Z28's were much better, but then the SS came out and surpassed the Z's power. I always thought GM betrayed the Z28 name by letting the SS have more power.

I'd buy a new Z28 in a heartbeat, but for now I'm enjoying the hell out of my SS.
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What have you got against the SS? My 2010 SS is 10 times the car my '78 and '79 Z28's were. Those cars were just decals and fake scoops with no-power smog motors. Granted, they handled a little better than most cars on the road then, but nowhere near as good as my current SS.

In my mind the 69 to 70 1/2 Z28 was the King of the Hill, but starting in '72 GM didn't have a clue about making horsepower with the new smog restrictions. I think that held true through the late 90's when the Z28's were much better, but then the SS came out and surpassed the Z's power. I always thought GM betrayed the Z28 name by letting the SS have more power.

I'd buy a new Z28 in a heartbeat, but for now I'm enjoying the hell out of my SS.

Yea, I set my Z/28 game plan 3 years ago when the Gen5 prototype came out. Buy DD Gen5 for a few years and enjoy it until the Gen5 Z/28 comes out. I'll probably make that my weekend car. This is my 7th Camaro. I ordered a new '78 Z/28 (stolen) and a '80 Z/28. My 2LT will run circles around them. In fact a Gen5 2LT/M6 will run the quarter mile a second faster than '67 SS350.

It would drive me absolutely nuts if I wasn't driving some sort of Gen5 while waiting on the Z/28.
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hmm, seems you are comparing apples to oranges...I never setup up a comparision of old vs. new...if I did my 08' would run circles around most of my past cars and most of the stuff on the road now in a straight line...anyhow, Z28s have always been the affordable V8s and can be modded to run a lot better than most SS even in the fourth generation...so pretty much switchin' gears now that I can afford it I will buy a new camaro not a used one as in the past...as for the 79' that I drove with a 454 it was a BEAST...I sold it to get the 81' Z28 with t-tops (loved Smokey and the Bandit when I was younger but didn't like the pontiac as much as the camaro) and all original matching numbers with the build sheet from the third owner only to lose it when I moved to texas the first time...my replacement was a 94' Z28 with t-tops when I got back to florida but ended up losing that car last year when after all the wear and tear to work as a daily driver for over 3 years 140miles a day round trip the bearings got spun on the crank from my ever loving lead foot...now I have some major withdrawal seeing all the new camaros on the road and waiting for a chance to get mine...but tired of waiting on a Z28 and now that I can afford the higher end I figure why not after all I've always been after more horsepower so a higher base number to go from will work for me till the modding bug bites again....right now, the only hard choice I have is to decide once I get one which will be the daily driver and who gets to be the test mule.
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...roger that Lowdown...and I am following that current line of thought myself. I have been compelled to join the Z28 rebellion. That's the star on the horizon I am watching. I don't want compromise. Not for almost 60K. "Return of the Z28, Episode 5", starring the LS7. 10.2012
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I have to admit that it would be nice to have a second camaro just for cruisin' if they could make a nice LS7 Z28 Convertible...I'm in for it being the wife beater...or rather letting the wife have that one as her toy! After all, I bought her a 94' V6 T-top Pontiac Firebird for $600.00, so she would stay away from my 94' Z28 T-top. Go figure, I don't like sharing my toys even with the wife though I do let her drive on occasion, so I don't feel guilty that its just MINE!!! LOL
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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
Just a suspension package?? Either you really don't understand how the Z/28 started and what it was or you are simply choosing to ignore reality.
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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
Don't under estimate the 302.

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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
Some 1st gen SS's were more powerful than the Z28, but I'd bet most weren't. Ignore the factory rating, its common knowledge that the 302 was substantially under rated at 290 hp. Some say it made 350 hp, others claim 400. Either way, you'd have to get one of the top engines in the SS to have more power than a Zedder. The standard 350 small block just wouldn't cut it.

If you are thinking of the 4th gen, all SS's were Z28's anyway.
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I think you are building the Z28 into this supercar and I believe it will lead you to disapointment when it actually comes out. If Chevy follows the badging of the Camaro line, the Z28 never had more power than the SS and was just a suspenstion package so I think it will come out as an option package for the SS later on but like everyone else.... I'm just guessing.
Sorry,..but...thats all a fallacy....
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I'm just saying, don't expect the Z28 to be this all powerful car your making it out to be. You do and your going to be disappointed and probably start bashing GM when it would be uncalled for. Most all engines back in then were underrated so don't get me wrong, I liked the Z28, but like I said, it took what was already out there in the 60's/70's and added a great performance suspention and a few other details. But the 302, the transmission, the body style, interior, rearend already existed just like the ZL1 will be... take parts already available, improve apon them and put them in a great body styled car. So would you then be disappointed it the Z28 was a turbo charged 2LT with the SS suspention, transmisson and rearend? Not saying that's what it will be, but what if it is? It wouldn't be the SS but it would have as much power but might perform better. We all know sooner or later that a Z28 version will come out, just don't be disappointed if it's not what you exspect...... this is a Camaro, not a Corvette or a Caddy.

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The first Camaro model was the 1967, introduced on September 26, 1966. At the time of introduction, several important options were not available. These included the RPO-Z28 Special Performance Package, and the 396-cid displacement engine for Camaro SS models.
The 1967 model was the only first generation Camaro to have both rear shocks mounted forward of the rear axle. Later years changed to a staggered arrangement to counter wheel hop. The 1967 was the only Camaro to feature a right-side traction bar, also to counter wheel hop. The traction bar was standard equipment for all Z28 models, and was installed on other high performance models.
The 1967 Camaros did not have side marker lights.
The 1967 Camaro was the only Camaro model to have its VIN tag mounted to the door hinge pillar. The VIN tags of later models moved to positions visible through the windshield.
The bumblebee nose stripe was part of the SS package at the start of 1967 production, but became a separate option (RPO-D91) in March 1968.
Chevrolet built three special Camaro pace cars for the 1967 Indianapolis 500 auto race. It also built 78 lookalikes for complimentary use by race officials and dignitaries during the month preceding the race. After the race, these lookalikes were sold to the public as used cars. All were white SS/RS convertibles with Bright Blue custom interiors. Other options varied. All had "Chevrolet Camaro Official Pace Car 51st Annual Indianapolis 500 Mile Race - May 30, 1967" decals on their doors. (Chevrolet also built anywhere from 100-560 Pace Car Replicas for a special "Pacesetter" campaign which ran through June, plus 21 cars exported to Canada. The actual number of these cars is unknown, this number is my guess - Greg McGann)
When first introduced in September 1966, the 1967 Camaro SS came only with a 350-cid engine, an engine displacement exclusive to the Camaro within the Chevrolet line that year. In November 1966, the 396-cid engine was added to the SS option list.
Though similar to 1968, the 1967 instrument panel was unique to the year. Its padding did not fold over the corners as did the following year. And, with the exception of air conditioned models, the 1967 instrument panel did not have the side air (Astro Ventilation) vents.
The ignition for the 1967 model (and 1968) was located on the dash.
The first Z28 models were built starting on December 29, 1966, and low volume delivery began in January 1967. The Z28 was initially developed as a contender for the SCCA (Sports Car Club of America) Trans Am sedan racing series. The series had a displacement limit of 305 cubic inches which the Z28 met by combining a 327-cid Chevrolet block with a 283-cid Chevrolet crankshaft for a 4" x 3" stroke that yielded 302.3 cubic inches.
The "Z" in Z28 was at first nothing more than another option code, along with others like Z23 for the Special Interior Group, or Z87 for the Custom Interior. But the Z28 had a special ring to it and became the model's official name. However, the Z28's built in 1967 carried no external identification other than wide racing stripes. Convertibles could not be ordered with the ZZ8 option.
Chevrolet listed curb weights for the 1967 Camaro as 2,910 pounds for the 6-cylinder coupe, 3,070 pounds for the 8-cylinder coupe, 3,165 pounds for the 6-cylinder convertible, and 3,325 for the 8-cylinder convertible. Add 21 pounds for power windows, 20 pounds for the folding rear seat, 86 pounds for air conditioning, 9 pounds for power brakes, 23 pounds for front disc brakes, 10 pounds for the 250-cid 6-cylinder engine, 39 pounds for the 327-cid V-8 engine, 72 pounds for the 350-cid V-8 engine, 258 pounds for the 396-cid V-8 engine, 7 pounds for the four speed manual transmission, 14 pounds for the Powerglide, 56 pounds for the Turbo Hydra-Matic, 38 pounds for dual exhaust, 29 pounds for power steering, 15 pounds for heavy duty battery, 8 pounds for an AM radio, 9 pounds for an AM-FM radio, and 17 pounds for the Rally Sport.
The 1967 was the only Camaro model to feature side vent windows.
The headlight door covers of the 1967 Camaro were electrically operated. Later model years were vacuum operated.
All 1967 Camaros had single leaf rear springs.
The center console design used in 1967 was unique to the year. Additionally, the design of the optional instrument grouping which mounted to the console was unique to 1967. The secondary instrument cluster consisted of fuel gauge, temperature gauge, oil gauge, ammeter, and clock.
The first 1967 Camaro built at the Norwood, Ohio, plant had a VIN ending in N100001; the first built at the Van Nuys, California, plant had a VIN ending in L100001.

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Wasn't the rumor before we knew the ZL1 was the ZL1 that chevy was going to be producing a supercharged camaro that was most likely to be called the Z28? I pretty much believed that to be true at the time and was glad that the Z28 was going to take the flagship spot of the camaros once again where it belonged compared to the SS. As for some of the above statements its true that all the 4th generation SSs were Z28 with the SS option package. I think that most of the BC4s were Z28 with options removed so the LEOs couldn't have too much fun at work other than a better suspension and less restrictive intake/exhaust on the LT1 and LS1. Anyhow, I just like to listen to rumors and start a few and see where they go but its hard to fact check anything now a days with all the little things that get thrown into the fish pond. However, I swear that Jay Leno should be kicked in the rear for saying a V6 turbo should be called a Z28...I mean WTF is he thinking, right? Plus, Chevrolet should do something useful with all those LS7s and camaros have always gotten the handme downs from the vette'. Just sayin'...
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I'm just saying, don't expect the Z28 to be this all powerful car your making it out to be. You do and your going to be disappointed and probably start bashing GM when it would be uncalled for. Most all engines back in then were underrated so don't get me wrong, I liked the Z28, but like I said, it took what was already out there in the 60's/70's and added a great performance suspention and a few other details. But the 302, the transmission, the body style, interior, rearend already existed just like the ZL1 will be... take parts already available, improve apon them and put them in a great body styled car. So would you then be disappointed it the Z28 was a turbo charged 2LT with the SS suspention, transmisson and rearend? Not saying that's what it will be, but what if it is? It wouldn't be the SS but it would have as much power but might perform better. We all know sooner or later that a Z28 version will come out, just don't be disappointed if it's not what you exspect...... this is a Camaro, not a Corvette or a Caddy.
I won't bash GM simply doing something other than what I'd like. I would bash them for doing something stupid, like making a track-centric car a turbocharged V6. Why? Because it would be heavier than a NA V8, (probably) make less power, and be more prone to heat soak. In the end, it would hurt performance relative to the SS in every way besides fuel economy.

Now, you say that the Z28 was 'taking what was available', I disagree but for the sake of argument, lets just say it is. Isn't the LS7 availible? Meanwhile, other things like a TTV6 or an uptuned LS3 are not availible. So using your own logic, an LS7 would be holding true to what they've done in the past, wouldn't it?

Also, those of us that want an LS7 in the Z28 don't want it specifically because we want it to be more powerful than the SS. Thats secondary really. We want a kickass track car. Best way to accomplish that is to use an LS7. Simple as that.
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