Do you think it was right that the mustang got to use the trackpack in the comparison - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

perfxn · 03-27-2009, 04:06 PM

I dont really see how the mustang got the trackpackage, none of the other cars " camaro and challlenger"? i feel it should of been all base test no extras across the board. SS vs GT. how do you folks feel?

RallyFever · 03-27-2009, 04:10 PM

Top for top is my opinion.

2Scoops · 03-27-2009, 04:15 PM

Well if they did that the Camaro would have absolutely KILLED the 'Stang... they had to make it close to make the Blue Oval lover's not want to jump infront of a truck!

*Milk 1027* · 03-27-2009, 04:19 PM

It was to keep the cars in the same price range.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 04:32 PM

I think they did it right... top of the line vs. top of the line... the prices were within dollars of each other and the results have, so far, all been pointed towards the Camaro pulling ahead of the Mustang in every respect.

something to think about is that the Camaro and Challenger have IRS and the Mustang doesn't... so testing the Mustang without the track pack puts it at a very heavy disadvantage in handling, but a distinct advantage in pricing... I would rather see a dollar to dollar test than a base vs. base test.

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-27-2009, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I think they did it right... top of the line vs. top of the line... the prices were within dollars of each other and the results have, so far, all been pointed towards the Camaro pulling ahead of the Mustang in every respect.

something to think about is that the Camaro and Challenger have IRS and the Mustang doesn't... so testing the Mustang without the track pack puts it at a very heavy disadvantage in handling, but a distinct advantage in pricing... I would rather see a dollar to dollar test than a base vs. base test.

+1

otherwise $$ vs $$ it wouldn't be fair.

porcupinekiller · 03-27-2009, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I think they did it right... top of the line vs. top of the line... the prices were within dollars of each other and the results have, so far, all been pointed towards the Camaro pulling ahead of the Mustang in every respect.

something to think about is that the Camaro and Challenger have IRS and the Mustang doesn't... so testing the Mustang without the track pack puts it at a very heavy disadvantage in handling, but a distinct advantage in pricing... I would rather see a dollar to dollar test than a base vs. base test.

In all fairness top for top would mean 2010 Camaro SS(since the Z28 has been shelfed) vs 2010 Mustang GT500. But as long as your happy not being compared to the true top Mustang that's ok. What ever it takes to make you feel like you're on top eh?

cam2fst4u · 03-27-2009, 04:46 PM

$ for $

trm0002 · 03-27-2009, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

It was to keep the cars in the same price range.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

I think they did it right... top of the line vs. top of the line... the prices were within dollars of each other and the results have, so far, all been pointed towards the Camaro pulling ahead of the Mustang in every respect.

something to think about is that the Camaro and Challenger have IRS and the Mustang doesn't... so testing the Mustang without the track pack puts it at a very heavy disadvantage in handling, but a distinct advantage in pricing... I would rather see a dollar to dollar test than a base vs. base test.

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

+1

otherwise $$ vs $$ it wouldn't be fair.

Absolutely agreed. Can't give the Mustang guys something to complain about in the comparison. Now the Camaro kicked its a$$ fair and square.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

In all fairness top for top would mean 2010 Camaro SS(since the Z28 has been shelfed) vs 2010 Mustang GT500. But as long as your happy not being compared to the true top Mustang that's ok. What ever it takes to make you feel like you're on top eh?

hush it, fanboy, or we'll compare your GT500 to the Camaro SS and find that while your car is faster through the quarter, the Camaro is faster through the cones and grips better on the skidpad... and costs ALOT less money.

but if it makes you feel good to think that your overpriced Mustang with its now extinct underpinnings is faster through the quarter mile because you dont think you'll ever have to make a single turn left or right, keep right on ahead believing in that car... along with the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa Claus.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trm0002

Absolutely agreed. Can't give the Mustang guys something to complain about in the comparison. Now the Camaro kicked its a$$ fair and square.

they're already whining because the GT was compared with the SS instead of the MUCH more expensive GT500.

SVThis · 03-27-2009, 04:49 PM

They would have been stupid not to test the Mustang with the Track Pack. It's an option that is available to anyone that cares to order it. The Mustang is probably a closer competitor to the Camaro than most people expected. Stock vs stock in certain areas the Mustang may have an edge. Since I'm an autocrosser, I feel the Mustang may be the better choice in stock class. On a roadcourse the Camaro may very well have the upper hand. On the street as a daily driver the Camaro would win in many areas. I love the looks of the Challenger, but it is even more of a porker than the Camaro. It's great to have choices.

cam2fst4u · 03-27-2009, 04:52 PM

what do you mean by keep beliving in santa claus are you referring that he isn't real?

porcupinekiller · 03-27-2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

hush it, fanboy, or we'll compare your GT500 to the Camaro SS and find that while your car is faster through the quarter, the Camaro is faster through the cones and grips better on the skidpad... and costs ALOT less money.

Wow you're my hero!!! Such a commanding grip of the english language. Nice to see that you have to resort to name calling. Plus you live on fantasy Island as you have no proof of a 2010 Camaro SS smoking a GT500 on any type of track. Keep up the good work.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

prove it!!!

would you like to compare Car and Driver, Motor Trend and websites like Edmunds? or would you like to compare fanboy magazines like GMHTP and whatever the Ford equivalent is?

I know you're not going to try and tell me you want me to drive some as yet to be delivered against a current GT500 or, even more unrealistically, the 2010 GT500 that isn't even in production yet... surely you're not THAT foolish... right?

SVThis · 03-27-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

prove it!!!

I don't think anyone can prove anything at this point. Other than the magazines no ones taken delivery of the new Camaro that I know of. Slalom times and skid pad numbers don't always tell the whole story. We all should know pretty soon. Before that time we are just jackstand racing.

THE EVIL TW1N · 03-27-2009, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

hush it, fanboy, or we'll compare your GT500 to the Camaro SS and find that while your car is faster through the quarter, the Camaro is faster through the cones and grips better on the skidpad... and costs ALOT less money.

but if it makes you feel good to think that your overpriced Mustang with its now extinct underpinnings is faster through the quarter mile because you dont think you'll ever have to make a single turn left or right, keep right on ahead believing in that car... along with the tooth fairy, the Easter bunny and Santa Claus.

whoa. I must have missed that review.

the GT500 may not be faster through the cones, but it may still be faster on a track.

porcupinekiller · 03-27-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverTurtle

would you like to compare Car and Driver, Motor Trend and websites like Edmunds? or would you like to compare fanboy magazines like GMHTP and whatever the Ford equivalent is?

I know you're not going to try and tell me you want me to drive some as yet to be delivered against a current GT500 or, even more unrealistically, the 2010 GT500 that isn't even in production yet... surely you're not THAT foolish... right?

OK I'll just back down now as I can't compete against your dumbfounded brand of ignorance. Have a nice Day.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE EVIL TW1N

whoa. I must have missed that review.

the GT500 may not be faster through the cones, but it may still be faster on a track.

I would be willing to bet that the Camaro's IRS and grippier tires would keep it ahead around a road course like VIR or Road Atlanta... on a super speedway like Daytona or Indy, the GT500 would have the distinct advantage... does the GT500 have a speed limiter? if so, then the longer the course's straights are, the more likely the GT500 is to be able to keep up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

OK I'll just back down now as I can't compete against your dumbfounded brand of ignorance. Have a nice Day.

I'll avoid name calling and just point out that your ignorant posts are what started this line of discussion... so if its anyone's "dumbfounded brand of ignorance," its yours, not mine... you're the one that wanted to compare a $42,000+ Mustang to a $35,000 Camaro... so when there are full comparisons on both cars, how about we continue this discussion? or will you not want to be proved wrong then, too?

perfxn · 03-27-2009, 05:32 PM

i have to disagree with the point that its on option and they would be dumb not to put it on. other thatn trying to make them the same price, that doesnt make since. the camaro has many options they could of used to. my point is how many basic buyers are going to add on that "trackpackage", not many. I feel it should be base SS vs base GT. Value comparison

porcupinekiller · 03-27-2009, 05:38 PM

I think some of you guys (and you know who you are) are just upset that the SS isn't going to trounce the GT as bad in the real world as it does on paper. You gotta admit that the Mustang has held up much better than what most of us (including myself) was expecting.

Hey SilverTurtle...peace bro!! I'm a car nut and love all American Muscle!!

trm0002 · 03-27-2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

I think some of you guys (and you know who you are) are just upset that the SS isn't going to trounce the GT as bad in the real world as it does on paper. You gotta admit that the Mustang has held up much better than what most of us (including myself) was expecting.

Hey SilverTurtle...peace bro!! I'm a car nut and love all American Muscle!!

Amen to that.

SilverTurtle · 03-27-2009, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

I think some of you guys (and you know who you are) are just upset that the SS isn't going to trounce the GT as bad in the real world as it does on paper. You gotta admit that the Mustang has held up much better than what most of us (including myself) was expecting.

Hey SilverTurtle...peace bro!! I'm a car nut and love all American Muscle!!

peace

I think the Mustang did exactly what I figured it would do... and I believe any of us who have 4th gens with subframe connectors, boxed LCAs, lowering springs and other suspension tidbits knew it was possible to make a live axle car take a curve... we just never expected Ford to step up to the plate and make some adjustments that made the car actually handle better, since they haven't done that in the previous 45years of the car's existence... but I figured they'd do something to make the car perform better and they did... but it still wasn't enough to pass a Camaro, as it wasn't in the 4th gen era, either... not until the Terminators came out did the Mustang finally surpass the 4th gen Camaro's performance, and by then the Camaro was out of production... so they were really trying to take on the Corvette... and did, sort of... they were faster than a stock coupe, but still fell short of the Z06 (which, admittedly, is like comparing the GT500 to the Corvette, but I digress)

I LOVE the 2007-2009 GT500s... they're awesome cars... the only Mustang I've ever considered owning... but they're still a little too proud of them for me to consider adding one to my collection... and they're only a few ticks away from being bested by a lower powered Camaro... which really isn't unusual, but it is interesting.

bottom line: the Mustang GT with the track pack is the closest thing you are going to get to a 2010 Camaro SS without jumping in price to the GT500... they were right to use it and anyone who discounts the Mustang's performance is just being silly... it held its own against the Camaro, but still fell just short of besting it... kudos to the Mustang's improvements... now bring on the 5.0L!

SVThis · 03-27-2009, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by perfxn

i have to disagree with the point that its on option and they would be dumb not to put it on. other thatn trying to make them the same price, that doesnt make since. the camaro has many options they could of used to. my point is how many basic buyers are going to add on that "trackpackage", not many. I feel it should be base SS vs base GT. Value comparison

Name some of your many RPO performance options on a SS that would make it better in terms of performance or handling. I could be wrong but I don't think there are too many. I comes with most everything standard.

If you use some of your guys logic, then they should of tested a V6 Camaro against a V8 GT without the Track Pack.

This is stupid stuff to argue about.

Q8-CamaroSS · 03-27-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by porcupinekiller

In all fairness top for top would mean 2010 Camaro SS(since the Z28 has been shelfed) vs 2010 Mustang GT500. But as long as your happy not being compared to the true top Mustang that's ok. What ever it takes to make you feel like you're on top eh?

Sorry not flaming but i just saw a review of the GT500KR vs a Z06 and the 0-60 time + 1/4 mile were both worse than the Camaro SS ?!

03-27-2009, 04:06 PM	#1
perfxn Drives: 2SS RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: portland, OR Posts: 305	Do you think it was right that the mustang got to use the trackpack in the comparison I dont really see how the mustang got the trackpackage, none of the other cars " camaro and challlenger"? i feel it should of been all base test no extras across the board. SS vs GT. how do you folks feel?

03-27-2009, 04:15 PM	#3
2Scoops Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Aloha, Oregon Posts: 374 View My Garage	Well if they did that the Camaro would have absolutely KILLED the 'Stang... they had to make it close to make the Blue Oval lover's not want to jump infront of a truck! __________________ SGT Earl D. Werner - 28AUG2009, KIA, Ramadi, Iraq SPC Taylor D. Marks - 28AUG2009, KIA, Ramadi, Iraq CPT Bruno DeSollenni - 20SEP2008, KIA, Kandahar, Afghanistan Rest in peace my Brothers. 2SS/RS MN6, Cyber Grey Metallic w/ Black Rally Stripes http://twoscoopscamaro5.mybrute.com

03-27-2009, 04:19 PM	#4
Milk 1027 Camaro➎ moderator Drives: 2010 1SS/RS IBM Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: AZ Posts: 13,306 View My Garage	It was to keep the cars in the same price range. __________________

03-27-2009, 04:32 PM	#5
SilverTurtle Reality Check Specialist Drives: '02 Z28, 2012 45th SS Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: ATX Posts: 1,711	I think they did it right... top of the line vs. top of the line... the prices were within dollars of each other and the results have, so far, all been pointed towards the Camaro pulling ahead of the Mustang in every respect. something to think about is that the Camaro and Challenger have IRS and the Mustang doesn't... so testing the Mustang without the track pack puts it at a very heavy disadvantage in handling, but a distinct advantage in pricing... I would rather see a dollar to dollar test than a base vs. base test. __________________ got tequila?

03-27-2009, 04:46 PM	#8
cam2fst4u Drives: 08 SS trailblazer,08 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: stanley va Posts: 6,299 View My Garage	$ for $ __________________ http://cam2fst4u.mybrute.com

03-27-2009, 04:10 PM	#2
RallyFever Senior Member Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 749	Top for top is my opinion.

03-27-2009, 04:49 PM	#12
SVThis Drives: 2002 Camaro Z28 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Granger Indiana Posts: 52 View My Garage	They would have been stupid not to test the Mustang with the Track Pack. It's an option that is available to anyone that cares to order it. The Mustang is probably a closer competitor to the Camaro than most people expected. Stock vs stock in certain areas the Mustang may have an edge. Since I'm an autocrosser, I feel the Mustang may be the better choice in stock class. On a roadcourse the Camaro may very well have the upper hand. On the street as a daily driver the Camaro would win in many areas. I love the looks of the Challenger, but it is even more of a porker than the Camaro. It's great to have choices. __________________ 2002 Z28 aka The Mulletmobile

03-27-2009, 04:52 PM	#13
cam2fst4u Drives: 08 SS trailblazer,08 Silverado Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: stanley va Posts: 6,299 View My Garage	what do you mean by keep beliving in santa claus are you referring that he isn't real? __________________ http://cam2fst4u.mybrute.com

03-27-2009, 05:32 PM	#20
perfxn Drives: 2SS RS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: portland, OR Posts: 305	i have to disagree with the point that its on option and they would be dumb not to put it on. other thatn trying to make them the same price, that doesnt make since. the camaro has many options they could of used to. my point is how many basic buyers are going to add on that "trackpackage", not many. I feel it should be base SS vs base GT. Value comparison

03-27-2009, 05:38 PM	#21
porcupinekiller Drives: 2010 GT500 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sherwood Park, Alberta Posts: 662	I think some of you guys (and you know who you are) are just upset that the SS isn't going to trounce the GT as bad in the real world as it does on paper. You gotta admit that the Mustang has held up much better than what most of us (including myself) was expecting. Hey SilverTurtle...peace bro!! I'm a car nut and love all American Muscle!!

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
OFFICIAL 2010 Camaro Specifications (full tech specs PDF inside)	Tran	Guides, Manuals, Bulletins, Documentation Archive	394	06-11-2010 06:16 PM
[video] Camaro vs. Challenger vs. Mustang exhaust comparison	diddiyo	Camaro Photos \| Spyshots \| Video \| Media Gallery	48	03-23-2009 12:37 PM
Edmunds: 2010 Ford Mustang First Look	Scotsman	General Automotive + Other Cars Discussion	32	11-23-2008 09:55 PM
Mustang comparison, disciples pay special attention please!	Emher	Chevy Camaro vs...	17	06-13-2008 10:58 AM