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Old 05-02-2014, 09:45 AM   #1
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Water sucked up by Injen CAI HELP!

So I was on the highway and it starts down pouring. Flash flooding and I had to drive through about 6 inches of water and after about a 1/8 mile I started losing power and it sounded like it might stall. I pulled over and had my car towed to my apartment complex. I had to start the car to park it and It started right away with no engine light. Then it was a little shaky and almost sounded like it had a ghost cam or something. Engine light came back on.

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I know it isn't hydro-locked but will it be if I try driving it?

I'm stranded at college with no tools. Is it possible that it will dry out by itself?

Any input is highly appreciated. Thanks

PS I do have the hydrophobic shield installed
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:14 PM   #2
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Get that thing towed to a shop asap and DO NOT START IT!!!! The worst thing you can do to an engine that might have water in it, is to start it, it will blow up your engine real quick. The fact that yours has changed in sound is not good. I would get it looked at asap before more damage is done and do not start it. Good luck.

This is one f the reasons that our CAI had the filter positioned in the stock location, I think CAI's with filters really low to the ground are asking for trouble when you never know what the roads or weather may throw at you. Good luck man.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:26 PM   #3
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Damn this has me worried now, I live in Washington state too =/
You didnt remove your wheel liner or anything like that either did you?
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:38 PM   #4
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you got the maf wet. unplug the maf and see if it drives easy . dont beat the hell out of it with the maf unplugged .

I know you got the maf wet and they are very sensative .
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:43 PM   #5
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you got the maf wet. unplug the maf and see if it drives easy . dont beat the hell out of it with the maf unplugged .

I know you got the maf wet and they are very sensative .

So you are 100% sure in this diagnosis Dr House?
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:54 PM   #6
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So you are 100% sure in this diagnosis Dr House?
If there is 5 minutes left in the episode it is correct.
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Old 05-02-2014, 01:55 PM   #7
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HA! Nice!

I mean i am not trying to bea d!ck, but we are talking about seriosu catostrophic damage here, an they guy says it is the MAF sensor.
It could be, but the only way to test would be to dry the MAF, reinstall, and start the dacr, if he is wrong...
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I know the Mazda guys would remove their spark plugs and spin the motor on their rotaries when they flooded.

He could remove the intake manifold and see if it is wet. But from the sound of it he doesn't have access to do that. If the MAF does get wet it will feel like you blew your engine, I accidentally entered into boost when it was raining and sucked some water in. Mine ran fine after a few minutes.
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Yeah, but flooding a rotary wankle engine is not necessarilly the same as flooding a conventional engine.
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Well, water forms a sort of seal... the engine doesn't just magically suck up the water, it has to be close enough to the top of the filter to form a suction. So, it clearly isn't hydrolocked, but water is somewhere. I would go with drying / using MAF cleaner on the MAF first.
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:13 PM   #11
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Yeah, but flooding a rotary wankle engine is not necessarilly the same as flooding a conventional engine.
Yeah, I was just throwing that out there, see if water shoots out when you turn the engine. That would let you know if you are full of water. But the best way is to take things apart which he can't.

Water sucks anyways, beer is better for the engine.
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OP,

No way in Gods Green Earth would I just use a little MAF cleaner and try starting to see if that works, if it didn't you may have just blew up your engine when you start it again. Could have water vapor got on the MAF, sure, but if it traveled that far it could have also got into the motor. Unless you have the space, tools, and know how to properly inspect everything, clean/dry the intake, and at very least drain the motor and flush it etc. no way would I chance it and try to start it again. Did your MAF probably get wet and mess up readings enough yes, but there may also be water in the motor or at very least intake manifold that you are going to want to take care of properly.

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you got the maf wet. unplug the maf and see if it drives easy . dont beat the hell out of it with the maf unplugged .

I know you got the maf wet and they are very sensative .
Just because he got the MAF wet does not mean that some water did not also get ingested into the motor, just cleaning the MAF and starting it for a blind test run is an awfully big risk on a $30k + vehicle. Why take that risk to save a few hundred dollars or even a thousand dollars getting it properly drained, inspected, and tested?
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Old 05-02-2014, 02:51 PM   #13
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I think CAI's with filters really low to the ground are asking for trouble when you never know what the roads or weather may throw at you. Good luck man.
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If you don't have the tools to do a proper inspection, then have it towed to a shop and let them do it.
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The vehicle has started once already. It isn't hydrolocked, we know that. MAF cleaner is hydrophilic, so that's where that argument comes from. And upper induction cleanings can be done with just straight water while the engine is running, so small amounts of water are not catastrophic.

The OP has stated they're in college... spending the diagnostic fee only to find out the MAF was went would kill me, personally.

Not that having a shop check it isn't the obvious choice - it is. But there's a lot to consider.
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The vehicle has started once already. It isn't hydrolocked, we know that. MAF cleaner is hydrophilic, so that's where that argument comes from. And upper induction cleanings can be done with just straight water while the engine is running, so small amounts of water are not catastrophic.

The OP has stated they're in college... spending the diagnostic fee only to find out the MAF was went would kill me, personally.

Not that it isn't the obvious choice - it is. But there's a lot to consider.
But he doesn't have the tools to remove the MAF. And if he has water on the MAF it may be in the intake manifold just waiting to get into a cylinder if he does more than just start it and let it idle (actually puts a load on it).
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Old 05-02-2014, 03:06 PM   #17
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Damn this has me worried now, I live in Washington state too =/
You didnt remove your wheel liner or anything like that either did you?
I am curious about this. as I've used low air filter CAI's for many years, and never even heard of anyone sucking up water. unless they drove into a lake. although, these years have been in cali and las vegas. lol not the most rainiest places
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Both true, we don't know if the car was moved (he did state that he started it to park it, but not if he actually parked it) and he doesn't have tools...
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First off driving through water is very dangerous and even 6 inches can cost you life.

I also agree with the ones saying to tow your car and having someone check it out. When I lived in Charleston, SC (which if you are not familiar is only 1-10 feet above sea level) I would wait out the flash flooding. I rather be an hour late for work then needing to replace the engine.
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But he doesn't have the tools to remove the MAF. And if he has water on the MAF it may be in the intake manifold just waiting to get into a cylinder if he does more than just start it and let it idle (actually puts a load on it).
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The fact that he started it after not knowing if he sucked in water or not tells me he's not the one to take on this job alone. I'm not trying to be rude at all, I'm just being honest and realistic cause I don't want the guy to blow up his car thinking that he cleaned his MAF and everything is now ok. It's all about risk vs. cost, and unless he can take on the risk of possibly ruining his entire motor, he can chalk it up to a life lesson and should pay to have it looked at professionally. Otherwise things may get a lot more expensive for him. I wish him the best, but think he needs a professional for this situation given the information we currently have on hand.
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Please get that baby towed to the dealer. Engines are not cheap to buy or rebuild. It is simply not worth the risk of starting it up again. I speak from experience having lost a pretty new car to an urban flash flood while I was driving. Living where I do, and my car being my daily driver for the first 2 years, this is the reason an Injen intake was not even a consideration for me. Good luck OP.
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If he has already started it's definitely not hydrolocked. Clean the MAF and you'll be fine. I have been running injen intake for 2 years no problem.
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If he has already started it's definitely not hydrolocked. Clean the MAF and you'll be fine. I have been running injen intake for 2 years no problem.
But he could of already bent some stuff if it is running rough. Maybe not enough to blow the engine yet but running it with something bent will finish it off.
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Did it drive through the water OK and then did you depress the accelerator pedal somewhat more than moderately AFTER going through the water and then did the check engine light flicker on and off right when the throttle was opened? Was it worse when you gave it more pedal and almost OK with no throttle while driving? If the answers all Yes, it may be OK. You may have gotten the filter wet and sucked up droplets of water when you accelerated away.
I am taking my Injen off. It isn't worth the risk. I have had it shudder bad enough I have to pull over on the interstate and wait for it to clear up. A hard rain and throw in an 18 wheeler spraying water everywhere, and you are screwed. Others have sounded off about their problems too. At least I got mine on sale.

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Thanks for all the input.

No I did not remove the wheel well for those who asked.

Does anyone have an idea how much it would cost to have it looked at/diagnosed?
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