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Old 11-25-2012, 06:53 PM   #18
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Maybe it's not the end links. I was under the back having a look around at the sway bar, and lookee here... cracked bushing on the sway bar mount. I wonder if that might be what is making my clunking noises.
That split is cut in the bushing so it can be installed on the sway bar.. If that isn't bolted to the sub frame that would be your issue.

In all seriousness I would go back through everything and make sure everything is tight. I would use blue or red loctite on the bushing brackets as well.

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Old 11-25-2012, 07:11 PM   #19
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That split is cut in the bushing so it can be installed on the sway bar.. If that isn't bolted to the sub frame that would be your issue.

In all seriousness I would go back through everything and make sure everything is tight. I would use blue or red loctite on the bushing brackets as well.

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Well that clears that up - thanks Jordan. Didn't see the split on the other side but I am sure you're right and it's there too, just hidden.

Don't know what to do - I already had everything tight as it could be. I'm back to square one.

Do these need some kind of lubrication perhaps inside the bushing?
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:21 PM   #20
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Yeah, looks like I have the same end link versions as you are selling now Jordan:
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:32 AM   #21
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Just asking to be sure- but I'm guessing you loosened the locking nuts while removing those endlinks.

Usually when set up for use, the ends are oriented about a 1/4 turn away from each other and locked in place. If the ends are able to rotate, it could be causing your noise.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:43 AM   #22
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Yeah, looks like I have the same end link versions as you are selling now Jordan:
Is that just road grime or rust? I live in Chicago where they salt the roads like its going out of style so I hope that they are resistant to oxidizing.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:30 PM   #23
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Is that just road grime or rust? I live in Chicago where they salt the roads like its going out of style so I hope that they are resistant to oxidizing.
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Is that just road grime or rust? I live in Chicago where they salt the roads like its going out of style so I hope that they are resistant to oxidizing.
Pretty sure it's just lubricant plus dirt. Will let you know for sure tonight.
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Pretty sure it's just lubricant plus dirt. Will let you know for sure tonight.
Yup. Cleans up fine. No rust.
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Shhhhhoooo. Scared me for a sec. I just ordered the Pfadt Stage 4 Package and was. Little worried as this is going on my daily driver in Chicago. On a side note you mentioned it was lubricant. You lube those? Are you suppose too?
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Problem solved

I took my end links off and sent them back to Pfadt, who found some play in the bronze lower rod end and in one of the upper rod ends. They sent them back with these parts replaced and I put 'em back on yesterday. Super quiet. Problem solved.

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Old 01-07-2013, 02:04 PM   #28
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I took my end links off and sent them back to Pfadt, who found some play in the bronze lower rod end and in one of the upper rod ends. They sent them back with these parts replaced and I put 'em back on yesterday. Super quiet. Problem solved.

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Old 05-23-2013, 09:43 PM   #29
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I took my end links off and sent them back to Pfadt, who found some play in the bronze lower rod end and in one of the upper rod ends. They sent them back with these parts replaced and I put 'em back on yesterday. Super quiet. Problem solved.

Great customer service!
Long term update. I posted the above in January. The end links were super quiet for a week or so and then started making noise again. (sigh). Have had them on and off a bunch of times, removed sway bar and re-greased, checked all sorts of stuff - no dice. They make noise, period.

Last Thursday, one of them made a LOT of noise. Went around a corner into a parking lot at ordinary speeds and BANG, sound went off like a massive bottom-out, almost like a shot went off. Put it up on a hoist Friday AM and found that one end link bolt had snapped.

Put OEM end links back on, no noise. Problem solved.

Here's a pic of what a toasted Pfadt end link looks like. No idea what would cause this to fail (I am sure the Pfadt people will say I overtorqued the bolts, but I didn't) but at this point I am so sick of Pfadt "OEM-Quiet operation" end links that even if they replaced the snapped bolt, I wouldn't put them back on. Don't know how someone can sell a product that they claim is "OEM-Quiet" when it absolutely, guaranteed, is not. And when you spend a lot of time on the phone with them they are very nice but can't solve the problem. The end links make noise. Period.

Starting to think about going to a ZL1/1LE setup.
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Long term update. I posted the above in January. The end links were super quiet for a week or so and then started making noise again. (sigh). Have had them on and off a bunch of times, removed sway bar and re-greased, checked all sorts of stuff - no dice. They make noise, period.

Last Thursday, one of them made a LOT of noise. Went around a corner into a parking lot at ordinary speeds and BANG, sound went off like a massive bottom-out, almost like a shot went off. Put it up on a hoist Friday AM and found that one end link bolt had snapped.

Put OEM end links back on, no noise. Problem solved.

Here's a pic of what a toasted Pfadt end link looks like. No idea what would cause this to fail (I am sure the Pfadt people will say I overtorqued the bolts, but I didn't) but at this point I am so sick of Pfadt "OEM-Quiet operation" end links that even if they replaced the snapped bolt, I wouldn't put them back on. Don't know how someone can sell a product that they claim is "OEM-Quiet" when it absolutely, guaranteed, is not. And when you spend a lot of time on the phone with them they are very nice but can't solve the problem. The end links make noise. Period.

Starting to think about going to a ZL1/1LE setup.
I have the same problem. Been thru several sets (including their NEW design) and same as you, quiet for a few hundred miles then noisy again! I too am fed up with them and looking for other end links. Don't really feel like changing bars again and buying new c-arms.
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I have the same problem. Been thru several sets (including their NEW design) and same as you, quiet for a few hundred miles then noisy again! I too am fed up with them and looking for other end links. Don't really feel like changing bars again and buying new c-arms.
Bugs me that someone can advertise something and then it doesn't do what they say it does but they can just say, "oh well" and keep your money.

I haven't done anything with suspension since the last post. I think I'm just gonna go have fun on the track this summer and think about suspension stuff over the winter.
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Get ya a set of these
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I have beat the crap out of mine and nothing but perfect, silent operation

They make rear end links too
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When you guys say noisy, what kind of noise? Lately I've noticed what sounds like a loud pop, almost like someone whacked the rear chassis with a metal hammer, when I go over certain kinds of rough roads, or especially when making a slow turn into a driveway. It sounds like it's coming from the back on the driver's side. My first thought was it might be sway bars (I have the Pfadt bars and endlinks) but I looked under there and can't see anything that looks broken or loose.
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When you guys say noisy, what kind of noise? Lately I've noticed what sounds like a loud pop, almost like someone whacked the rear chassis with a metal hammer, when I go over certain kinds of rough roads, or especially when making a slow turn into a driveway. It sounds like it's coming from the back on the driver's side. My first thought was it might be sway bars (I have the Pfadt bars and endlinks) but I looked under there and can't see anything that looks broken or loose.

For me, noisy was "pop-pop-pop" sounds whenever the car was going over even slightly uneven surfaces. It was the weight being transferred back and forth across the sway bar and the end link ends were internally loose. Each shift made a distinct pop.

The loud BANG I got (described a few messages back I think) was when I was making a slow turn into a parking lot where the entrance was higher on the right hand side than the left. I guess it put a lot of weight on the sway bar and the bolt on one end let loose. Sounded like a shot went off. You would definitely see a busted bolt if it happened to you.

What kind of bushings do you have? I have heard from some guys who do a lot of HPDEs that eventually your bushings are so loose that if you lift the car up off the ground, the bushings can actually fall out (believe it or not). This was guys who ran Mustangs, so no idea how their bushings work. But the point was that bushings can wear out and maybe they are so loose that you are getting big shifts back and forth? A wild guess, but all I got right now.

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