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Old 09-30-2007, 02:07 PM   #1
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Supercharger

I am not all that familiar with what kind of superchargers chevy uses or what not seeing as I am a hard core SVT Cobra guy. However not too long ago I was reading an article on a website I believe rumoring how gm is planning bringing over the whipple. For those that dont know what a whipple is, a whipple is a supercharger that ford has been using for a while. I honestly believe that you may see the whipple on top of the "big dawg." Just like the Svt Cobra has the eaton.
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Old 09-30-2007, 03:10 PM   #2
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IF the top Camaro comes with a supercharger (I'd say its 50-50 at best) then it is likely going to be the on a 600 hp version of the LS3 with the roots type blower that is going into the super corvette. However, if it doesn't come that way from the factory, I'm sure that there will be an LS3 Camaro from the factory and a supercharger kit that you can buy from GMPP (or any number of other after market suppliers) and install seperately.

Oh, and for those that don't know, a roots supercharger uses a pair of meshing lobes while a whipple uses a pair of screws. Roots are simple, cheap, and easy to make;while whipples are more expensive, more efficient, and harder to make.
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Old 09-30-2007, 03:16 PM   #3
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And Prochargers put them all to sleep! ... I had to, sorry.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a roots if any.
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Old 09-30-2007, 04:09 PM   #4
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And Prochargers put them all to sleep! ... I had to, sorry.
I'm pretty sure we'll see a roots if any.
Yes I know what a whipple is and hence why they call it a twin screw supercharger. Yea prochargers are beasts but I would rather have a twin turbo set up.... maybe something like a twin 61 set up.lol.
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Old 09-30-2007, 05:49 PM   #5
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Sounds intimidating.

Don't know exactly why, but I've just never been a fan of Turbos...
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Old 10-01-2007, 02:39 AM   #6
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Sounds intimidating.

Don't know exactly why, but I've just never been a fan of Turbos...
Might be something to do with the dreaded "turbo lag" ..... my turbo is great when it comes to life, and if you can keep it on boost it's great... but if you don't get it right.

Not a problem Superchargers suffer from.
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:30 PM   #7
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Prochargers are terrible for waranty problems. Paxton is excellent. One of the reasons Paxtons have taken off. Any system can have problems. Most company tend to ignore them and hope you go away.

I started with procharges and all I use now are Paxtons.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:06 PM   #8
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Prochargers are terrible for waranty problems. Paxton is excellent. One of the reasons Paxtons have taken off. Any system can have problems. Most company tend to ignore them and hope you go away.

I started with procharges and all I use now are Paxtons.
dude I just noticed where you live, you live like an hr north of me if that.
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:56 PM   #9
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Howdy neighbor. We have a little get together at Hooters in Clearwater quite often. I will give you a heads up next time I go over there.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:10 PM   #10
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lol cool maybe I will come down if I am not busy next time the meet is in clearwater.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:54 PM   #11
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What turbo'd car do you have in todays marketplace there is very little turbo lag.... best 2 things. More HP.. they don't rob Any power from the engine.. adn they sound absolutely awesome!
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Old 10-01-2007, 09:40 PM   #12
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Prochargers are terrible for waranty problems. Paxton is excellent. One of the reasons Paxtons have taken off. Any system can have problems. Most company tend to ignore them and hope you go away.

I started with procharges and all I use now are Paxtons.
Do Paxtons make as much oompf, as the Prochargers? I don't know, the whole self-contained system (i.e. no engine oil) is very appealing to me...
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Old 10-02-2007, 03:16 AM   #13
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What turbo'd car do you have in todays marketplace there is very little turbo lag.... best 2 things. More HP.. they don't rob Any power from the engine.. adn they sound absolutely awesome!
Well my car isn't exactly brand new... it's a 95 Toyota Celica GT4... as far as i know the U.S never got this model, not sure why.

It's not very laggy to be fair... not like an EVO FQ400MR... but it does suffer a bit from heat soak through the charge cooler and i don't think the cooler is that efficient anyway as the air path is very short.

The tuirbo mine has isn't that big just about gives 1 bar (14 psi) but it's enough for around (with a couple of tweeks) 260bhp at the crank... and 0-60 in about 6.0 seconds, maybe a little less.... lag really depends on the size of turbo and the length of the air path.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:20 PM   #14
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Just looked at Paxton's site. They've got quite an impressive setup, but - They've never made any systems for an F-body!

Is there reason to believe they'll make a system for the new Camaro?
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:53 PM   #15
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I seem to remember hearing or reading something a while back that paxton is exclusively a shelby thing now... I might be making that up though.

But if that's true, then I highly doubt we'd see a paxton system for our maros
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:10 PM   #16
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I seem to remember hearing or reading something a while back that paxton is exclusively a shelby thing now... I might be making that up though.

But if that's true, then I highly doubt we'd see a paxton system for our maros
to check for the possible "factory" systems. look at what they are putting on the 08 Vette. its getting a bad@$$ LS3 w/possible forced induction. where as the camaro will be getting a detuned version but the block is the same so whatever they make for the vette, look for it on the Camaro
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My local speedshop GMR Speed has had great results with the Magna Charger. It is a closed system meaning it is internaly lubed and cooled. On there 2007 'Vette they showed a 250HP boost and kept the OEM MPG. I can't wait to get one on the 08 Camaro.
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I have a friend that works with Magna Charger and they have been developing systems for the LS2 and my speed shop GMR Speed has on there 07 Vette and increased the HP by 250. Also, the cam in the LS2 is built by Comp and is desinged to handle a supercharger. I think the GM boys are expecting us to pick up where they left off. The suppliers are there and the door is open......
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If Paxton would see a demand then they would manufacture a set up for the Camaro. I am going to call a friend I have over at Paxton at lunch time and plants some seeds & see what they are thinking. Repeated requests is what made Paxton make a system for the Viper. Now 90% of the Vipers that are S/C use Paxtons. More affordable and user friendly then a TT system.
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Good Idea Richie. I've heard virtually no bad things about Paxtons - My only grief is that they never took to the F-bodys...If they made a setup for the new Camaro, I'd definitely go Paxton!

But question, what make Paxtons Unique? I mean, some companys are belt driven (inside) some are gear, some are self-contained....where do the Novichargers fall?
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Eh, with the advent of twin-scroll turbo's all of this conversation is moot. They produce far more power with no lag, and will last just as long.

If I were going to build something, I'd start with a LS3 Block, drop in some forged pistons, toss a couple twin scroll turbo's in there with a large intercooler, and chill with my 1200hp.

Now that I am done day dreaming, I have to get back to work.

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twin-scroll? what are those?
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He might mean twin screw.
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Very expensive to build a twin turbo with 1200rwhp. You have to have AEM and it must be set up correctly. Then you need a dyno to tune it. Then you need to set the boost correctly for each gear and map it and save it on your laptop. You need to do this then on 100 octane if you intend to change boost requirements for a track day or just feel like going wild. Again another map. Twin turbos will produce more power, they are not parasitic like an S/C but they are 3 times the money to build correctly. You can not take short cuts when producing this kind of power or else.....
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like ive said before...

fast
cheap
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pick two.
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