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Old 09-12-2011, 11:26 PM   #101
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2012 Camaro ZL1 Ordering open through Order Workbench’s Quick Order
Application (ZL1 ordering information will be available in Order Workbench’s traditional Order Configurator on Thursday, November 3, 2011)
So, when can i walk into my dealership and place my order? 10/29 or 11/3? I want to schedule an appointment!
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:51 PM   #102
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Release of Individual Dealer’s Estimated Production Guide Number for ZL1


Late First Quarter 2012
First production units begin to arrive at select dealers

So how will we know in advance which dealers will be getting allocations for orders? Will all dealers get them? I ask because I wanna go ahead and put money down to insure I get an allocation.
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I can totally see the idea of a starting price where the GT500 is with it's track pack. I think a small premium over may not be out of the question either.
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2012 ZL1

I just to the General Sales Manager at Stingway Chevrolet in Plant City, FLorida. He just attended a sales meeting yesterday. He is being told that production is limited to about 500 units for the 1st year. Any truth???

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Old 09-14-2011, 10:36 AM   #105
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The last GT500 that was at my local dealer had a sticker price of $54,500.....
Just looked up the pricing on the GT500 2012 and it starts at $49,495 and with options at adders:

Other than that, little — including pricing — has changed. Ford tells us 2012 GT500 coupes and convertibles start at $49,495 and $54,495, respectively (including destination), just as the 2011 models did. Navigation and automatic climate control appear to remain a $2340 bundle, while the glass roof feature can still be added for $1995. The aforementioned SVT Performance Package also returns for 2012, although its price jumps $500 to $3995.



Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/ford-holds...#ixzz1XwP5dimI

So here is your comparable pricing to go by if GM is going to be competetive. That is what I was thinking on pricing 50K to 57K. The camaro has always been priced a little higher than the Mustangs at all levels. So you take that base price and add the SVT Performance Package then destination and you will be right there at the $54,500.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:37 AM   #106
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I just to the General Sales Manager at Stingway Chevrolet in Plant City, FLorida. He just attended a sales meeting yesterday. He is being told that production is limited to about 500 units for the 1st year. Any truth???

thanks Keith
That rumor has been popping up a lot, I hope it isn't true.
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:27 AM   #107
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That rumor has been popping up a lot, I hope it isn't true.
It would be nice to get some official guidance from Chevrolet on what the current 2012 ZL1 target production numbers are.

Initially Chevrolet indicated that ZL1 production would not be limited, and I don't believe that policy has been contradicted by any official Chevrolet statement.

However, recently several "dealer" rumors have been circulating that the 2012 ZL1 production run will be limited and that many dealers will not receive an allocation for any 2012 ZL1s. I hope that this is not the case.

Scott, can you provide us with any rough guidance with regard to current 2012 ZL1 target production numbers?
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By limited, I'm sure they mean inital allocations, or first shipment. While not limited in production, I could understand limits to the cars initially built and shipped from first runs of production. This would tend to be something which may or may not happen based on initial orders. I personally don't believe there are going to be problems getting a ZL1 in a reasonable amount of time, and all it means is some people may have to wait longer for delivery than others?
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When I spoke to Stingray Chevrolet, they indicated limited production compared to normal Camaro numbers......the 500 units the first year was alittle surprising.....
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Old 09-14-2011, 12:48 PM   #110
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By limited, I'm sure they mean inital allocations, or first shipment. While not limited in production, I could understand limits to the cars initially built and shipped from first runs of production. This would tend to be something which may or may not happen based on initial orders. I personally don't believe there are going to be problems getting a ZL1 in a reasonable amount of time, and all it means is some people may have to wait longer for delivery than others?
This is consistent with my current belief and with what Chevrolet has stated regarding ZL1 production. There may be some initial allocation issues, but if one has a little patience and diligence, one will be able to purchase a 2012 ZL1 if one so desires. However, it would be nice to get some reconfirmation from Chevrolet regarding targeted 2012 ZL1 production numbers.
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Hmm here are my thoughts concerning the allocation numbers on the ZL1.

First this car is starting production in Januaryof 2012. I believe this is a rather slow time for factory orders, so hopefully this will allow them to make a larger quantity of ZL1"s.

On the flip side this is a brand new car so they make take it slowly on the
assemble line during the first quarter of production. This will help detect any unforseen issues that may arise. Then as they go into the last three
quarters of the year go into a faster pace of production.

Perhaps that figure of 500 that's being suggested as a full year production
run is actually a number for the first quarter. But they hinted that the
number was for the full year, so that dealers would not get upset when they intially only recieve 1 or 2 ZL1's. Then as the year progresses the dealers are latter informed that they ahve more to sell. Although this
reasoning could backfire in the long run and the buyers that wanted the ZL1 may end up buying some other car instead.

My own personal opinion is that they will produce 500 in the first quarter and then around 1,000 in each of the last three quarters of the year.
The final production number for the year between 3,500 to 5,000.
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Remember 2012 production will probably end in July, then they start building 2013s. With a slow ramp up as in any new model it is very possible that 2012 production of ZL1s will be limited with full availability in 2013.
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Remember 2012 production will probably end in July, then they start building 2013s. With a slow ramp up as in any new model it is very possible that 2012 production of ZL1s will be limited with full availability in 2013.
With a 2012 ZL1 startup in Jan. 2012 they can only be produced for 6 to 7 months. Along with regular production Coupes and Convertibles. It would be interesting to know how many ZL1/LSA engines will be built.
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So for us cheap pocket guys, sounds like the hype buying will take up a lot of these and no price dropping until 2013 or later... Hmm. Maybe I should just buy the wife a Porche.
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So for us cheap pocket guys, sounds like the hype buying will take up a lot of these and no price dropping until 2013 or later... Hmm. Maybe I should just buy the wife a Porche.
Consider even the LTs aren't seeing incentives...now that we're two years into the car's production. I wouldn't look for any on the ZL1...
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This is what the sales manager at my dealer is saying they were told. He is also our car club's President ( H-Town Camaro Club ) and also a friend.

It is important to note that production of the 2012 Camaro ZL1 is limited.
Although every dealer will be issued a guide number, a few dealers will be receiving an Estimated Production Guide Number of zero (0), and will not receive a Camaro ZL1 for the 2012 model run.

But he assures me that I will still get one.
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Well, it's looking like my plan to order in March might be scuppered if they are indeed limited - that would be a huge disappointment.

When would the ordering for 2013 year start - would that be around July? Or later?
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Chevrolet has 3084 dealers in the US. 400 in Canada, That makes 3484 dealers for Chevrolet in US and Canada.
10000 camaro's produced per month. Say for arguments sake every dealer wants one, then assume zl1 will be about 5% of production, so 500 per month produced per month, so 6 mos 2012 production only equals 3000 ZL1 before end of model year, or short of requirement.
The part I don't know is, how much production is required to maintain supply of regular camaros, and how much already built stock is in the system unsold... or in other words how much production can be skewed to ZL1 to fill orders faster, without causing a shortage of regular Camaros.

If Chevrolet can swing 1/2 of production for one month they can produce 5000 ZL1's in January alone.

Another factor is the availability of ZL1 components to build the cars. The factory may be physically able to produce 5000 ZL1's per month, but if they only have 2000 LSA engines, or 700 hoods, or whatever, then that will limit production.

With all these variables its far to difficult to anticipate ZL1 supply.

I think the quantity produced will equal sold orders, plus an inital quantity to satisfy dealer allocations.
In my opinion, the cars should be delivered FIRST on basis of "sold" customer orders, and THEN on allocation basis. I really don't think Chevrolet is going to make guaranteed sale customers wait because they are filling allocation numbers.
So I doubt very much that a dealer with "0" allocations, and a "sold" order are going to have to wait till dealers with alocation stock are filled. If so, that is the dumbest business plan I have ever heard.
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Chevrolet has 3084 dealers in the US. 400 in Canada, That makes 3484 dealers for Chevrolet in US and Canada.
10000 camaro's produced per month. Say for arguments sake every dealer wants one, then assume zl1 will be about 5% of production, so 500 per month produced per month, so 6 mos 2012 production only equals 3000 ZL1 before end of model year, or short of requirement.
The part I don't know is, how much production is required to maintain supply of regular camaros, and how much already built stock is in the system unsold... or in other words how much production can be skewed to ZL1 to fill orders faster, without causing a shortage of regular Camaros.

If Chevrolet can swing 1/2 of production for one month they can produce 5000 ZL1's in January alone.

Another factor is the availability of ZL1 components to build the cars. The factory may be physically able to produce 5000 ZL1's per month, but if they only have 2000 LSA engines, or 700 hoods, or whatever, then that will limit production.

With all these variables its far to difficult to anticipate ZL1 supply.

I think the quantity produced will equal sold orders, plus an inital quantity to satisfy dealer allocations.
In my opinion, the cars should be delivered FIRST on basis of "sold" customer orders, and THEN on allocation basis. I really don't think Chevrolet is going to make guaranteed sale customers wait because they are filling allocation numbers.
So I doubt very much that a dealer with "0" allocations, and a "sold" order are going to have to wait till dealers with alocation stock are filled. If so, that is the dumbest business plan I have ever heard.
It's a nice thought, but GM does not decide if the ordered car goes to dealer allocation or to the person who ordered it. If the dealer is anything like John L Sullivan in Roseville CA, they will take pre-orders for the ZL1 and take deposits from people to get the allocation, only to later tell the person who ordered "Oh BTW we plan to add $800 worth of accessories but charge you $4,500 for it even if you don't want it." Then if you bock at this they will say "Well you are more then welcome to wait until we get regular inventory that matches what you want to buy, and I will sell that one to you. But I won't sell you THIS car (that you ordered) without the dealer pack (When they can add the pack and jack up the MSRP price to make bank on the car).
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Well, as customers we should not buy ZL1's for anything over MSRP. The few (very few) who are willing to throw money away will be more than offset be the higher number of customers who will refuse to pay ransom on a car. The practice you describe can be circumvented by making a deposit on a sales contract with all the details of your sale such as I did, signed by the salesman and myself. It is now a contract and enforcable. Anybody trying to add a ransom after the fact deserves a late night visit .
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I just to the General Sales Manager at Stingway Chevrolet in Plant City, FLorida. He just attended a sales meeting yesterday. He is being told that production is limited to about 500 units for the 1st year. Any truth???

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Well, as customers we should not buy ZL1's for anything over MSRP. The few (very few) who are willing to throw money away will be more than offset be the higher number of customers who will refuse to pay ransom on a car. The practice you describe can be circumvented by making a deposit on a sales contract with all the details of your sale such as I did, signed by the salesman and myself. It is now a contract and enforcable. Anybody trying to add a ransom after the fact deserves a late night visit .

I agree, that's why I took my business elsewhere. I did not feel like fighting it anymore, many others took their business elsewhere too, many are members here. We did not sign a contract, just had a print out of the order and a copy of our check...

Believe me we had thought about making a late night visit, but it's really not worth it in the end. Carma returned, I hear a lot of people lost their jobs due to the whole thing, if that's true I don't really know it was just hearsay.
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Just got back from Stingray Chevrolet in Plant City, Fl.. I sat down with the Inventory Control Director and New Car Sales Director. They didnt have a list to get sign up on until today when i stopped in. Now they do. I gave them a refundable $500 to hold the 1st allocation. I should be set. They indicated that late October-early November they will call me when their computer system shows its ready to accept order information etc. At least I am locked in either way. My dad was an older timer car dealer since the 60's. That seemed to help grease the wheels a little, I hope!
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Just looked up the pricing on the GT500 2012 and it starts at $49,495 and with options at adders:

Other than that, little — including pricing — has changed. Ford tells us 2012 GT500 coupes and convertibles start at $49,495 and $54,495, respectively (including destination), just as the 2011 models did. Navigation and automatic climate control appear to remain a $2340 bundle, while the glass roof feature can still be added for $1995. The aforementioned SVT Performance Package also returns for 2012, although its price jumps $500 to $3995.



Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/ford-holds...#ixzz1XwP5dimI

So here is your comparable pricing to go by if GM is going to be competetive. That is what I was thinking on pricing 50K to 57K. The camaro has always been priced a little higher than the Mustangs at all levels. So you take that base price and add the SVT Performance Package then destination and you will be right there at the $54,500.
Yes, I agree, and that is where I was headed. I think that this car will be much more than a GT500, too. Of course when people talk limited production, who knows. I think that the GT500 KR was around $70K, and it was only 540 hp.....
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Is it the end of October, yet?

Nooo..........

So until then, we don't know what the plan is for ordering/allocation/etc. All we've got is a history of GM not limiting production artificially...the common sense that tells us there won't be 20,000 ZL1s being bought in the last half of a model year....and a comment by Chevy that they'll "try to keep up with demand".

Relax.
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