Speed Limit

[The Boat]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I haven't voted or commented because there is so many things wrong with this thread.
If you want to drive fast, that's why there are tracks. I live in California, so you can't come up with the excuse that there aren't any tracks nearby.
Now just because you know how to drive fast safely, it dosen't mean that there aren't still idiots on the road. Idiots who will cause accidents no matter how good of a driver you are.
Do you have any idea the damage that would be caused in an accident if you are going over 80mph?
Yes, there will be accidents, no matter how much you insist that you are a good driver.

Speed limits are established and enforced for a reason to save lifes!!!

I know how traffic moves in California and i'll admit I drive over the speed limit. But the way traffic is here, if you don't move at the same speed as everyone else, you will cause an accident.


QFT

speed limits don't save lives when no one follows them...

80mph is slow.

iF You cared about saving lives you would support banning all cars and forcing people to ride around at 10 mph in giant doughnuts!!!

[zebra]

Originally Posted by The Boat

speed limits don't save lives when no one follows them...

80mph is slow.

iF You cared about saving lives you would support banning all cars and forcing people to ride around at 10 mph in giant doughnuts!!!

for one, 80mph is not slow for a public road! many older vehicles don't even like going that fast. my last explorer was in great running condition & it still acted like it was gonna hate me for trying to drive that fast in it.

safety - watch a wreck at 80mph or higher. then watch a similar wreck at 55mph. that can make a drastic difference... especially when it involves two vehicles traveling towards each other. at 55, the combined impact speed is 110. at 80, that's the same as one car hitting a wall at 160. don't tell us that excessive speed don't mean the difference between living & dying in many cases.

just for reference, here's a mercades (some of the 'safest' cars out there) that hit a tree at 130


or a 100+ mph head-on collision that put the guy in the hospital for weeks


ps - if you want to be that extreme, you should also stop people from using electricity, going swimming, building a campfire when it gets cold...

[Matrix]

I am all for no limit on highways. Just drive fast, courteously and with caution.

BEFORE this can happen in N.Amerca, our roads need to improve to European standards. You need good quality roads.

If you look at the stats for the autobahn, there are far fewer accidents per say than most other countries. That says a lot.

You need to change peoples mentality that going fast shouldnt be done in any vehicle, only ones that can widthstand it.

[The Boat]

exactly... thats what my proposal says though. Only the few qualified ppl and vehicles. Obviously a ford expedition won't be allowed to break the speed limit!

[Sterling]

I think that there should be fewer laws in general. You don't need a bunch of laws to know when someone is being unsafe. You can be perfectly safe while driving 80 miles an hour. Or you can be driving like a complete idiot doing only 25. Made up numbers have nothing to do with how safely you are driving. I say get rid of most of the laws and just lock up the idiots.

[The Boat]

agreed!! That's what I was getting at. Im saying capable people driving capable cars shouldn't be legally persecuted.... Im not saying people should glue their gas pedal to the floor and drive 130 all the time... I'm saying arbitrary speed limits don't make sense.... but sense no one will get rid of them completely i think some ppl should be exempted

[Tactical Z]

Whats a F class license?

[Tal]

I like to go fast but the first two options are crazy and it's more likely that someone will randomly give me a billion dollars than that either one of them will happen.

I would like to see increased speed limits on limited access highways, and better highways but the party currently in power is more interested in reducing speed limits in the name of green than increasing them, and their support for spending money on better highways seems halfhearted at best.

[fdjizm]

Originally Posted by The Boat

If its on a regular street and kids run out to get hit, its just bad parenting and they probably would have died in a 50 mph area too.

I don't usually name call but this is an exception, you're an idiot for this post.

how about you just go to a race track like the normal people if you want to go ridiculously fast.

that is all.

[Zhawk]

Even in Europe, most of the roads have designated speed limits. While driving the autobahn I noticed that there weren't too many areas that were unlimited for speed. And their speed laws are very strictly enforced. Getting in trouble there could get ugly.

As for the 'F' class license, it would be an additional burden on law enforcement. They'd have to watch for speeders and then check to see if that vehicle was registered to someone who had an 'F' license. What if you loaded out your car? What if you were driving someone elses? Too many variables to make enforcement of laws equitable across the books.

Finally, I have seen some VERY good drivers get in some very ugly situations. The faster you are going the easier it will be for everything to go sideways quickly. Think about it and save the excessive speed for the tracks.

[Tal]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Whats a F class license?

Fail class

[Crowley]

Speed limits are there for a reason ... I do think that there should be roads that don't have speed limits though .. the ones that are nice and flat and in the middle of no where ..

Crowley

[Sierra]

Originally Posted by fastball

Americans are not ready for no speed limits or F class, as much as I or you or anyone else on this forum might be.

Besides the nightmare of getting our streets and highways up to 21st century standards (the Autobahn is maintained to such an incredibly high standard that every inch is inspected every year, and if there is so much as a crack forming they replace an entire section of the road in question immediately, and the road is twice as thick as our highway system to begin with), the USA would also have to revamp how people maintain their cars.

Most European countries require a full vehicle inspection every year to get your tags renewed. Now, we're not talking some EPA emissions test......

Your tires must have proper tread, all 4 must be matched for the car, and all 4 must be ballanced and your alignment be within spec.

The engine must be tuned up, no check engine codes, and all the accessories working along with the belts be in good condition

Brakes must be in proper order (pad life, rotor/drum thickness, master cylinder/fluid/brake lines are also inpsected)

No cracks on any window

No rust through or corrosion

The exhaust system must not be rotted/noisy

The transmission must opperate properly

All the safety equipment must be in proper order

And there must not be any modifications made to it not approved

In other words, the junkers you see here in the States are not even road legal in most European countries. That's part of creating a safe environment for high speed driving. It has been proven that accidents on the Autobahn have a lower rate than here in the States, but the entire country takes high speed driving very seriously, and are willing to pay for the infrastructure required to make it safe to do so.

Have you ever had your car inspected in NJ? Its almost same as above. Plus our roads are not up to European specs. The autobahn is a 24 inch bed as opposed to our roads whic have a 12 inch bed. This ectra 12 inches serves for a smoother ride which helps controlling the car at a faster speed.

[SS 376]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Whats a F class license?

Originally Posted by Tal

Fail class

Quoted for truth.

[Georgie]

the speed limits should be raised not eliminated

[JJ#48Racing]

I think it should be done like Germany does it. Speed limits everywhere except on the big expressways between major towns. Maybe some very rural two lane roads out west could get away without a speed limit also. A special license could possibly be incorperated in this as well. Of course the roadways, vehicle inpections, and driving education would have to be brought up to the level required for such driving.

[The Boat]

Originally Posted by Tactical Z

Whats a F class license?

read original post!

[The Boat]

Originally Posted by Tal

I like to go fast but the first two options are crazy and it's more likely that someone will randomly give me a billion dollars than that either one of them will happen.

I would like to see increased speed limits on limited access highways, and better highways but the party currently in power is more interested in reducing speed limits in the name of green than increasing them, and their support for spending money on better highways seems halfhearted at best.

There is a growing lobby here in california to ditch the lobby. We are pretty close to getting the state assembly to consider revising speed limit laws... or creating something like an f-class liscense

[GatorBlue371]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

I haven't voted or commented because there is so many things wrong with this thread.
If you want to drive fast, that's why there are tracks. I live in California, so you can't come up with the excuse that there aren't any tracks nearby.
Now just because you know how to drive fast safely, it dosen't mean that there aren't still idiots on the road. Idiots who will cause accidents no matter how good of a driver you are.
Do you have any idea the damage that would be caused in an accident if you are going over 80mph?
Yes, there will be accidents, no matter how much you insist that you are a good driver.

Speed limits are established and enforced for a reason to save lifes!!!

I know how traffic moves in California and i'll admit I drive over the speed limit. But the way traffic is here, if you don't move at the same speed as everyone else, you will cause an accident.


QFT

+1000000

[Matster]

We have speed limits Boat to protect us from idiots like you!

[MrIcky]

Originally Posted by Banshee

Nice thought though...I liked what they did in Montana..unlimited speed is specific areas..

Let me tell you my Montana Experience. It turns out there was no official speed limit (that has been repealed and there are limits now everywhere in Montana). However the rule for the road was actually that you were required to maintain a 'prudent' speed for conditions. The net effect was that the speed limit was whatever the cop on patrol in that area thought it should be. 85 apparently wasn't prudent on a long straight stretch- he just made it a warning though.

To the OP. I understand 100% what you are trying to say and do. I've read all your counters. It won't work in America today without a system overhaul- and good luck getting those arguments out with the current eco-arguments. It would be easier politically to reduce the average speed then to raise it right now.

It's not speed that kills in general, it's differences in speed-if everyone drove 100 mph with appropriate distance between each car, then 100 wouldn't be an issue. Until you can effectively enforce travel lanes and minimum speed and distance- don't even bother.

You'd be better off trying to create toll roads with 100 mph speed limits and private enforcement.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by The Boat

Seeing as that are camaros are all on there way there is an important problem to address. Its the called speed limit. Having owned a gto I know that even driving briskly, It has so much torque that most speed limits are broken momentarily. Speed limits are useless I don't care how much hate ppl will give me. Anyway, for people that have the right car and right experience we need a license class that allows them to violate speed limits. WIth a certain driving test and a certified car anyone will be able to recieve a liscence of this class... f class for fast!!!!

Who digs it. THen ppl with capable cars and capable minds can get places faster...

That sounds like a fantastic idea. Cars going 150MPH passing and weaving through traffic going on average probably 75MPH.. What could go wrong Seriously, my wife does NOT need to get onto a road where crazy licensed drivers who can drive however fast they want can hit her, or kill her. I don't even have kids yet, and see how badly this could turn out. I have no problem with Giving them their own road like the autobahn or something. Then people can decide whether or not to get on or stay off. But please don't let them drive everywhere like that.

[fastball]

Originally Posted by Sierra

Have you ever had your car inspected in NJ? Its almost same as above. Plus our roads are not up to European specs. The autobahn is a 24 inch bed as opposed to our roads whic have a 12 inch bed. This ectra 12 inches serves for a smoother ride which helps controlling the car at a faster speed.

I applaud your state for having such strict inspection codes.

Unfotunately, it's not the same in every state. Here in Ohio, inspections are about as thorough as reading the back cover summary of War and Peace thinking you've read the whole story. It will mortify you to see some of the cars people drive, especially if they are from the not so great parts of Cleveland or Toledo.

[Restroom]

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

Originally Posted by fastball

The exhaust system must not be rotted

That's the spirit! Just a beautiful phrase.

[PQ]

Didn't read the thread.

I voted for speed limits. The cost of 'special' licenses would be ridiculous. And it's not the skill of the better driver but the stupidity of the others. Doesn't matter how well YOU can drive, I can cause you to wreck.