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Old 09-12-2011, 08:43 PM   #1
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Rear Drag Suspension Question?!

I am trying to set up the rear suspension on my 2010 ss for the drag strip/daily driving! the plan is getting a set of 1400hp DSS axles, 50/50 Lakewood Shocks, and a Spohn drag sway bar! The question is has anyone tried any of these products and have any of them worked? Have they reduced 1/4 mile times or 60ft times? Any help will be appreciated!
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Old 09-12-2011, 08:47 PM   #2
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If you aren't on sticky tires, the drag bar won't do anything for you. The DSS axles are great!
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:25 PM   #3
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Take a look at the BMR Drag Bar instead of the Spohn. I can't really say that one is better than the other, or how either may perform at the track...mainly because I haven't made it to the track since I put my BMR Drag Bar on. But considering Spohn's rather lackluster customer service history, I would certainly rather support BMR who is on these boards every single day trying to help us out.....just my .02 cents.
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:31 PM   #4
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Sorry I neglected to mention the fact that my nitto nt555r's will be on the car this week, so I will be going to the track friday and hopefully gettina few successful passes down the track without hurting anything. My local shop quoted me 300 bucks for the install, is this about right? I will look into the BMR sb but didn't even know they had one till you mentioned it! LOL the only reason I looked at the spohn one is bc I have their LCA's and think they work ok just need a little more help with the added hp from the cam, fast intake and retune! thanks for the input so far!


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how does it feel on the street?
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:54 AM   #5
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Take a look at the BMR Drag Bar instead of the Spohn. I can't really say that one is better than the other, or how either may perform at the track...mainly because I haven't made it to the track since I put my BMR Drag Bar on. But considering Spohn's rather lackluster customer service history, I would certainly rather support BMR who is on these boards every single day trying to help us out.....just my .02 cents.
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Old 09-13-2011, 11:10 AM   #6
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@ Blazzin1,
how does it feel on the street?
My experience so far has been outstanding. The install was easy, and I can't imagine the quality could be any better. It is a "monster-beefy" bar compared to the stocker!!! And it comes with the End-Links too. Certainly...no mushy lean on the street!!! I would highly recommend BMR......all the way.....with no doubts!!!
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Old 09-14-2011, 09:23 AM   #7
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Here is a qiuck picture of the BMR drag sway bar for the 2010 Camaros, if anyone has any questions let us know.
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:10 AM   #8
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I would suggest going with Pfadt Solid Sub-Frame Mounts, the Pfadt Rear Arm Package, Pfadt Drag Bar and if your budget permits a set of Pfadt coilovers. We've been running this combination for awhile now and it works VERY WELL!!! I generally run the rear sway in the center hole and the rear shocks at 14-18 depending on the track prep. I set the front to full soft and be ready to hook UP!









I've also have experience with the BMR product and I like it a lot! We'll have to get some more local cars running it in the near future! Please feel free to call, email or PM me anytime with questions.

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Old 09-16-2011, 11:59 AM   #9
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Thanks JDP. You don't need to go to a dedicated drag setup to see good improvements in your drag times. Unless the car is going to spend most of it's life at the strip, we strongly recommend our coilovers for some nice gains that can be felt on the strip and on the street.

Supporting modifications in this case will make a huge difference as well. Trailing Arms and Solid Subframe mounts will keep the entire rear end from bounding around while trying to get out of the hole. It's generally wheel hop that kills parts, and the best improvement to effectively put your power down and kill the wheel hop are with Trailing arms and Solid Subframe mounts.
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Old 09-17-2011, 03:42 PM   #10
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Can you pm me your recommendations along with some prices? I went to the track last night on NT555r's (305-35-20) and was still only cutting 12.69@115 with an 8.49@89 in the 1/8! 2.19 60ft was the best however the worst was only a 2.30 this time. I do beleive the track prep was not up to par, but no excuses, I want to hook on the street and the track the car will be an all around daily driven car so what you mentioned earlier sounds like a plan! 1400hp dss axles are in the works as well!

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Old 09-17-2011, 06:17 PM   #11
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What tire pressure are you running the 555s at?
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Old 09-17-2011, 11:30 PM   #12
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555rs arent very sticky as far as drag radials go. How low pressure?
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Old 09-18-2011, 02:41 PM   #13
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26 lbs I know this is way to high but didn't want to drive home for an hour until I could get more nitrogen. So when I go to San Antion Raceway then I will go down to around 18-20 lbs. On the street they hook great and no road noise. I like them for everyday driving but not the most hooking tire when the track isn't prepped, I had them on my fox body and never had a problem!!
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Old 09-18-2011, 03:52 PM   #14
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Get rid of the nitrogen and just use the compressor at the track to re fill.

How are you launching? What rpm? Dumping the clutch or slipping it?

Oh and the Fox body didn't make as much power, and weighed alot less. Plus it had a live axle and a suspension that is better suited to drag racing.

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Old 09-18-2011, 03:53 PM   #15
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26 lbs I know this is way to high but didn't want to drive home for an hour until I could get more nitrogen. So when I go to San Antion Raceway then I will go down to around 18-20 lbs. On the street they hook great and no road noise. I like them for everyday driving but not the most hooking tire when the track isn't prepped, I had them on my fox body and never had a problem!!
At 26lbs this isn't even worth discussing.
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Old 09-18-2011, 04:40 PM   #16
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26 pounds lol... operator error here folks. Try half that and come back
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:28 PM   #17
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Like I said didn't want to drive an hour at that psi level! So when I go to San Antonio with the new Hendrix axles installed I will repose those times! I really only went out if peer pressure!! Lol but the next time I will drive it like I stole it!!
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Old 09-19-2011, 04:17 AM   #18
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Ive never been to a track in my life that didn't have air in the staging lanes or closeby.
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:51 AM   #19
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Well academy drag is the first!!
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Old 09-19-2011, 07:55 AM   #20
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Btw the tech didn't even have a booth he was walking thru the staging lanes as you drove up!! Lol but none the less def driver error.

Brad, I was slipping it and tried 2500 blew the tires and idle it bogged so next time I hit up San Antonio I will let you all know!
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Nittos take a lot of heat so you HAVE to make sure there is smoke rolling off the tires during your burnout or you might as well be on regular street radials. And it has already been mentioned multiple times above that 26 psi is way too much pressure. More heat and 18 psi should get those 60's down a few tenths easily. A few suspension parts and some practice with the clutch can get you into the 1.8's on Nittos.

After looking at your mod list, I agree with Pfadts that you don't really need a rear drag bar. You could easily put one of our Adjustable street bars on it and still keep the streetability aspect. The stiffest setting on our street bar is 300% more rigid than the OE bar!

The last I heard Lakewood was having some problems with their 2010 Camaro drag shocks. Something about the length of the rear shocks. They may have it fixed by now and for the money you can't go wrong if you are determined to by shocks and your alternative is coil-overs. Regardless, we have run 10.50's with low 1.5 60 ft/times on the OE shocks/struts on multiple occasions. I would apply that shock money to a set of trailing arms, rear cradle bushings, and a rear sway bar then lower the tire pressure, heat those Nittos up and go run some 1.8 60/ft-times....
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:32 PM   #22
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BMR guy I agree, can you pm me your suggested parts with the prices? I should be in the market around dec or Jan. This will gov me an idea of what I Ned to set my budget at! Thanks!!
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Ace if you arent good at a 3 pedal burnout, budget for a line lock. Makes life so much easier on you and your car . Gettin thos DRs hot is important. Removing the old subframe bushes is a bitch but once you get them out the new ones pop right in! If you want you can fly me out there when you install them and I will gladly stand around and drink beer while you cuss at the stock bushes.

Also, dont forget the outer trailing arm bushings (The ones for the Hub). Not sure if the ones you have came with any or not.
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A Sway bar will help in the rear, but getting the alignment correct will help just as much if not more.
Getting the camber to a positive number is critical to getting off the line well.
If you can get the rear camber to +.01 or so with a higher rate spring, this will help keep traction once you launch.
Failure to have enough positive camber will result in the rear tires gaining negative camber and the more the rear of the car sits on launch the more negative camber, the more negative camber the less tire contact patch that you will have.
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BMR guy I agree, can you pm me your suggested parts with the prices? I should be in the market around dec or Jan. This will gov me an idea of what I Ned to set my budget at! Thanks!!
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