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Old 09-14-2011, 09:09 PM   #1
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Tranny grenaded on Dyno

So what are all the 600+ rwhp cars doing to the 6L80's to hold the power?
Mine let go on the dyno yesterday after doing a 416 forged/stroked motor.
Looking to rebuild it now was wanting to know what evryone else is doing.
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So what are all the 600+ rwhp cars doing to the 6L80s to hold the power?
Mine let go on the dyno yesterday after doing a 416 forged/stroked motor.
Looking to rebuild it now was wanting to know what evryone else is doing.
Oh man, that sucks!! sorry to hear this. What exactly let go? Hard parts? Clutches, converter? Did the not have the converter seated fully? That will f things up.
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So what are all the 600+ rwhp cars doing to the 6L80s to hold the power?
Mine let go on the dyno yesterday after doing a 416 forged/stroked motor.
Looking to rebuild it now was wanting to know what evryone else is doing.
Until more development in hard parts and tunning become common place and proven, I use paddle shifter without full throttle shifts. I have over 10k miles with over 650 rwhp. I know I'm not able to take advantage of auto shift but still have lots of fun running through the gears. That is 4th-6th, the only ones where traction can be found. Dyno presented no problem for me yet. (Knock on wood)
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Why not go ahead and do a built 4l80e and be done with it? Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I always try and be optimistic, so if something breaks its just a good excuse to get better parts.
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Why not go ahead and do a built 4l80e and be done with it? Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I always try and be optimistic, so if something breaks its just a good excuse to get better parts.
Why is the 4l80 better than the 6? Can't you just put better parts in our autos and be set? Forgive my ignorance, just doing a little research for the future.
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I am running in the upper 800hp range in my vette 2800 stall and tranny done by rossler for 1000hp
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Ouch ...I know some one with over 600hp his tranny is gone too.....You have to have Big $$$ to play with the big boys..But I think he has replaced every other part thant can break...so once he gets his tranny that car will Rock!!!
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Circle D say that the stock tranny will start to strain when you get to 440 or above to the back wheels. They have rebuilds that will guarantee to hold 600 to the back wheels.
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Oh man, that sucks!! sorry to hear this. What exactly let go? Hard parts? Clutches, converter? Did the not have the converter seated fully? That will f things up.
Not sure what let go they will be taking it apart today, as for the converter i am sure that was seated correct the car was on the street for a week before bringing it back for some final tuning and pulley swap that's when the tranny let go. Yours is still hanging in there, good for you says alot about Ted's tunning.

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Why not go ahead and do a built 4l80e and be done with it? Sorry to hear of your misfortune. I always try and be optimistic, so if something breaks its just a good excuse to get better parts.
Yea i was planning on a tranny rebuild anyway just came sooner that i wanted. The 4l80e is one option need to do more research on it.

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Circle D say that the stock tranny will start to strain when you get to 440 or above to the back wheels. They have rebuilds that will guarantee to hold 600 to the back wheels.
600 to the wheels is not enough i am closer to 700, i hear alot of the tranny guys say that the 6l80 will not hold for long after 600 to the wheels no matter what you do to it, wondering if that's true.
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Well, shit happens. At least now you can make improvements!!

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Sorry to hear that. My LS1 trany let go when got close to 500RWHP. I hope the 6l80 can be rebuilt to take the HP. Let us know which route you take.

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Why is the 4l80 better than the 6? Can't you just put better parts in our autos and be set? Forgive my ignorance, just doing a little research for the future.
The folks in Houston have tried making the 6L80 work with all the current hard parts available but they kept having to go through them. These guys are Mad600 and DangerRuss. I guess a 376 15psi of FI and +200 nitrous are too much for the 6. Now they are running 427s. They got tired of paying for rebuilds and made the move to the 4L80. The 4L80 is a TH400 with overdrive. It takes the horspower with no problem. ARD's signiture car has one in it behind a 468 stroker and LOTS of nitrous. He drives it to work everyday and thrashes on it for the events. The 6L80 would never stand a chance behind it.

If you're building a 700rwhp+ your going to get frustrated with the 6L80's weak points. Circle D has done some great R and D work but the builds now are more demanding. The only disadvantage to the 4L80 conversion is knowing what else to change in the car to make it work. The 4L80's final drive ratio is slightly higher by about 10% on the cruising rpms compared to the 6th gear of the 6L80. The 4L80 will allow you to run a steeper rear gear ratio b/c of its 1st gear ratio of 2.48 verses the 4.08 1st or the 2.38 2nd of the A6. That also means the 4L80 has a narrower set of gear ratios more suited for competition.
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Hate it for ya man,I REALLY feel your pain,mine is done as well,seems these 6L80's are pileing up.I've been studing and doing research,and have come to the conclusion that the 4l80 will be my tranny of choice,for me it's gonna tame my car down sum with the taller 1st gear,There's to many years of R&D on the 4spd to not go that route "IF" your making some big power or plan on it,Just sit it in the corner til they get it figured out
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Hate it for ya man,I REALLY feel your pain,mine is done as well,seems these 6L80's are pileing up.I've been studing and doing research,and have come to the conclusion that the 4l80 will be my tranny of choice,for me it's gonna tame my car down sum with the taller 1st gear,There's to many years of R&D on the 4spd to not go that route "IF" your making some big power or plan on it,Just sit it in the corner til they get it figured out
What were your final numbers
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Until more development in hard parts and tunning become common place and proven, I use paddle shifter without full throttle shifts. I have over 10k miles with over 650 rwhp. I know I'm not able to take advantage of auto shift but still have lots of fun running through the gears. That is 4th-6th, the only ones where traction can be found. Dyno presented no problem for me yet. (Knock on wood)
Your very lucky it's still holding up. Do you track the car at all?

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I am running in the upper 800hp range in my vette 2800 stall and tranny done by rossler for 1000hp
Is this the 6L80 they beefed up to hold 1000hp? if so can you give us an idea of what they beefed up.

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The folks in Houston have tried making the 6L80 work with all the current hard parts available but they kept having to go through them. These guys are Mad600 and DangerRuss. I guess a 376 15psi of FI and +200 nitrous are too much for the 6. Now they are running 427s. They got tired of paying for rebuilds and made the move to the 4L80. The 4L80 is a TH400 with overdrive. It takes the horspower with no problem. ARD's signiture car has one in it behind a 468 stroker and LOTS of nitrous. He drives it to work everyday and thrashes on it for the events. The 6L80 would never stand a chance behind it.

If you're building a 700rwhp+ your going to get frustrated with the 6L80's weak points. Circle D has done some great R and D work but the builds now are more demanding. The only disadvantage to the 4L80 conversion is knowing what else to change in the car to make it work. The 4L80's final drive ratio is slightly higher by about 10% on the cruising rpms compared to the 6th gear of the 6L80. The 4L80 will allow you to run a steeper rear gear ratio b/c of its 1st gear ratio of 2.48 verses the 4.08 1st or the 2.38 2nd of the A6. That also means the 4L80 has a narrower set of gear ratios more suited for competition.
The 4L80 seems like the smart think to do, even if i rebuild my 6L80 consensus is it won't hold for long past 650rwhp.
Like you say though to do the 4L80 conversion what else do i need to change.
Gears? got 3.73's on done last season at Jannetty's Converter? just installed a Circle D 3200 stall. Not sure what else is involved to do the conversion need to do more research.


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Hate it for ya man,I REALLY feel your pain,mine is done as well,seems these 6L80's are pileing up.I've been studing and doing research,and have come to the conclusion that the 4l80 will be my tranny of choice,for me it's gonna tame my car down sum with the taller 1st gear,There's to many years of R&D on the 4spd to not go that route "IF" your making some big power or plan on it,Just sit it in the corner til they get it figured out
Sitting in the corner is not an option
Did you get the 4L80 installed yet?
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Your very lucky it's still holding up. Do you track the car at all?



Is this the 6L80 they beefed up to hold 1000hp? if so can you give us an idea of what they beefed up.

I let them do there magic but really the hardest part is getting the car to shift in that range but I would give them a call I know there trannys are lasting in the 700-800 range.
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I should also say I have a friend with a CTS-V I know its a 90 but he is running 700hp thru the stock tranny without any issues.

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So what are all the 600+ rwhp cars doing to the 6L80's to hold the power?
Mine let go on the dyno yesterday after doing a 416 forged/stroked motor.
Looking to rebuild it now was wanting to know what evryone else is doing.

Mine just got back from the shop in LA.

Upgraded 6L80E included:

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Granted, I'm not over 600rwhp yet, but I plan on doing a 416ci with twins in the future.
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Your very lucky it's still holding up. Do you track the car at all?



Is this the 6L80 they beefed up to hold 1000hp? if so can you give us an idea of what they beefed up.



The 4L80 seems like the smart think to do, even if i rebuild my 6L80 consensus is it won't hold for long past 650rwhp.
Like you say though to do the 4L80 conversion what else do i need to change.
Gears? got 3.73's on done last season at Jannetty's Converter? just installed a Circle D 3200 stall. Not sure what else is involved to do the conversion need to do more research.




Sitting in the corner is not an option
Did you get the 4L80 installed yet?
What I meant was sit the 6spd in the corner,And no I have'nt done the 4l80 yet,To tell ya the truth after I posted I'm having a hard time going backwards in technology,But Forward in what works
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So what are all the 600+ rwhp cars doing to the 6L80's to hold the power?
Mine let go on the dyno yesterday after doing a 416 forged/stroked motor.
Looking to rebuild it now was wanting to know what evryone else is doing.
Sorry to hear that. The problem with the 6L80 is that it's only rated for 459 HP (yes...to the crank). I blew mine up on the freeway and just made it into the shop. The 4-5-6 clutch pack actually fused together. I was running around with 600 RWHP at the time. I had the 6L80 built, and ran with it up to 700 RWHP. Once I decided on the LSX 427 I wanted to move up to the 4L80. It's a blast to drive and will handle whatever I throw at it. Here's are links to the 6L80 and 4L80 builds.

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So after talking with a few guys here on the forum it looks like the decision was made to go with the 4L80e. 2 tranny shops keep coming up.

http://www.jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html
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Of coarse no one can count out
http://www.rosslertrans.com/4L80E.htm

So now its a matter of narrowing it down to a certain tranny shop.
Anyone who has dealt with these shops, good/bad experience lets hear it.

P.S. Russ that manumatic looks like a blast to drive.
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Thats going to be your solution! Post up the results when you get it installed.
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P.S. Russ that manumatic looks like a blast to drive.
It is. I also love that you're adding clutch packs instead of switching them. I can stay in boost all the way down the track and never lose forward momentum. You'll lose power, but you'll improve your 60'. Besides...that's what smaller pulley's and larger nitrous jets are for.
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So after talking with a few guys here on the forum it looks like the decision was made to go with the 4L80e. 2 tranny shops keep coming up.

http://www.jakesperformance.com/4L80E.html
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http://rpmtransmissions.com/gen5camaro.html

Of coarse no one can count out
http://www.rosslertrans.com/4L80E.htm

So now its a matter of narrowing it down to a certain tranny shop.
Anyone who has dealt with these shops, good/bad experience lets hear it.

P.S. Russ that manumatic looks like a blast to drive.
you seem to have the best pics for a tranny, jakes is mainly a forum tranny builder with good reputation..the others have more solid reputation...but i wnet with jakes, i like to work with small shops and feel i get more with my $$$$...so i called mike @ jakes and we worked out all details and i feel very comfortable with him..searched 100,s of boards and only 1 complaint i found on jakes and it seemed that the guy was trying to get over... and i read 100 positive remarks on jakes...but i,m sure you can,t go wrong with the either 2 ...call mike @ jakes and tell him mike sent you..good luck
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you seem to have the best pics for a tranny, jakes is mainly a forum tranny builder with good reputation..the others have more solid reputation...but i wnet with jakes, i like to work with small shops and feel i get more with my $$$$...so i called mike @ jakes and we worked out all details and i feel very comfortable with him..searched 100,s of boards and only 1 complaint i found on jakes and it seemed that the guy was trying to get over... and i read 100 positive remarks on jakes...but i,m sure you can,t go wrong with the either 2 ...call mike @ jakes and tell him mike sent you..good luck
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