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Old 09-20-2011, 07:46 PM   #26
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CONE KILLER! LOL.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:26 PM   #27
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Just tried 10f/5r and it's a pretty nice ride for around town.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:38 PM   #28
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I think I might try 10/10 n see how that feels. I love having the option to change the settings... it's truly awesome.
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Old 09-21-2011, 07:52 AM   #30
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Once it stops raining, I will take it out and try 12, 6, 10 5 and 10 10 and report back.
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I have mine set at 12 front and 10 rear for street driving and 23 front and rear for track.
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Went to the drag strip this weekend and tried 0F/25R. Now I'm having to deal with learning to launch the car all over again. The process I had before that worked pretty good now causes the tires to smoke.

Of course there are alot of factors here. The track make not have been prepped as good. Could be the coilover settings and/or I've also added cradle bushing inserts as well as rear diff bushings since my last time a the track.

I only got 4 runs in and by my last one I started getting my 60' back down into the low 2.0 area but my times were still slower than the last time I went out. I also realized I wasn't speed shifting like I did last time either.

Next time I think I'm going to try 3F/25R and see if it helps at all. I'm also going to try to pay more attention to the shifting and not let off the throttle once I leave the line.

Hope to make it to an AutoX event at the beginning of Nov as well.
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Old 09-27-2011, 11:46 AM   #33
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wouldnt softer be better on the dragstrip in the rear? I have never been so I dont know but I would think the softer setting in the rear would help the car "sit" more...
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Went to the drag strip this weekend and tried 0F/25R. Now I'm having to deal with learning to launch the car all over again. The process I had before that worked pretty good now causes the tires to smoke.

Of course there are alot of factors here. The track make not have been prepped as good. Could be the coilover settings and/or I've also added cradle bushing inserts as well as rear diff bushings since my last time a the track.

I only got 4 runs in and by my last one I started getting my 60' back down into the low 2.0 area but my times were still slower than the last time I went out. I also realized I wasn't speed shifting like I did last time either.

Next time I think I'm going to try 3F/25R and see if it helps at all. I'm also going to try to pay more attention to the shifting and not let off the throttle once I leave the line.

Hope to make it to an AutoX event at the beginning of Nov as well.
I would try 0 Front and 20 Rear next time. If the track is really hooking and you've got drag radials/slicks then go for 25-30 rear.

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wouldnt softer be better on the dragstrip in the rear? I have never been so I dont know but I would think the softer setting in the rear would help the car "sit" more...
Not on an IRS chassis; you get camber and toe change with squat. The idea is to hold the rear camber and toe as close to zero as possible (more contact patch). With the soft front settings you allow the front end to lift which provides the weight transfer.

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Old 09-27-2011, 01:26 PM   #35
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I would try 0 Front and 20 Rear next time. If the track is really hooking and you've got drag radials/slicks then go for 25-30 rear.
Thanks....

No drag radials though. I'm still on stock tires running 25 psi in the rear and put the fronts at 40 psi.

Guess I might try 0/20 next time.

With only 4 runs I was changing my launch RPM where I guess I should've tried a couple coilover settings.
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Old 10-02-2011, 05:01 PM   #36
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I ran 3 front/20 rear at the track today. Managed a 1.88 60' on the P-Zero's. Could probably do better than that, I was babying it off the line.
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I ran 3 front/20 rear at the track today. Managed a 1.88 60' on the P-Zero's. Could probably do better than that, I was babying it off the line.
Very Nice!

I would be real happy with that on stock tires. The best I've got was 1.98 but typically I'm in the very low 2.0 60' times. I'll definately give those settings a try next time.

BTW: PM (trying not to side track this thread) what psi you ran in the rear tires. I typically run 25 psi and 40 psi in the front.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:30 PM   #38
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For street I have it very soft - 10f/8r. Did 1 autox so far and had it at 19f/12r - will go a lot stiffer next time around - but it definitely felt good.

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Very Nice!

I would be real happy with that on stock tires. The best I've got was 1.98 but typically I'm in the very low 2.0 60' times. I'll definately give those settings a try next time.

BTW: PM (trying not to side track this thread) what psi you ran in the rear tires. I typically run 25 psi and 40 psi in the front.
31 PSI with a nice easy launch. I say "easy" because the car in my Avatar I launched at 6000 rpm and sidestepped the clutch lol. The street tires are tricky. The shocks definately did their job!

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I ran 3 front/20 rear at the track today. Managed a 1.88 60' on the P-Zero's. Could probably do better than that, I was babying it off the line.
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1.88 is dam good on OE tires,
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Hey everyone.

I ran in an Autox today and didn't do too well. I had a heck of a time against the FWD/AWD guys in the novice class...

Fastest times were about 52 seconds in all classes. I had a 55.00 in NESP and finished 4 out of 5... The second heat had golfball to baseball sized chunks of asphalt pop up in between some of the sections on the far end of the course. This was unfair and I asked if they would stop to brush it out of the way but they said we had only 2 runs left and to just "avoid" it... =\ SO I did and I bet I could have shaved another .5 sec at least if I didn't have to "avoid" that crap. Oh well.

The car felt fine as long as I was smooth and easy on the inputs. Here is a vid taken by my amazing gf. Cameragirl of the year.



I ran 18F/22R on the XAs, it felt good
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had no luck launching with any real rpm at track with a 25 rear setting, i believe the rear is way to stiff and won,t squat fast enough and actually causes me wheelhop..gonna lighten rear around 15 and give it a shot again,,, and yes, i have about every possible suspension part known to mankind..also will be dumping the dr,s after a couple runs and going to some slicks..
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had no luck launching with any real rpm at track with a 25 rear setting, i believe the rear is way to stiff and won,t squat fast enough and actually causes me wheelhop..gonna lighten rear around 15 and give it a shot again,,, and yes, i have about every possible suspension part known to mankind..also will be dumping the dr,s after a couple runs and going to some slicks..
Which coilovers do you have?

I tried 0f/25r last time I was out and kind of had a hard time launching as well. Someone else suggested 3f/20r and I'm going to give that one a try next time.
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had no luck launching with any real rpm at track with a 25 rear setting, i believe the rear is way to stiff and won,t squat fast enough and actually causes me wheelhop..gonna lighten rear around 15 and give it a shot again,,, and yes, i have about every possible suspension part known to mankind..also will be dumping the dr,s after a couple runs and going to some slicks..
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Mike, 10 clicks is a big change. If your camber and toe are good I wouldn't go more than 5 clicks. too much squat an you will end up with alot of camber and have a smaller contact patxh. The softer setting may make the wheelhop worse. A bias-ply tire will make a huge difference tho.
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had no luck launching with any real rpm at track with a 25 rear setting, i believe the rear is way to stiff and won,t squat fast enough and actually causes me wheelhop..gonna lighten rear around 15 and give it a shot again,,, and yes, i have about every possible suspension part known to mankind..also will be dumping the dr,s after a couple runs and going to some slicks..
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Which coilovers do you have?

I tried 0f/25r last time I was out and kind of had a hard time launching as well. Someone else suggested 3f/20r and I'm going to give that one a try next time.
I would suggest 0-2 Front and 18-20 Rear one street tires. You want the rear to stay ask close to solid as possible and you want the front to lift for weight transfer. As stated in an IRS application it is important to keep the rear camber and toe as close to zero as possible for the largest contact patch. You can also disconnect the front sway bar by removing an endlink bolt from 1 side; this promotes good lift.

What tire pressures are you guys running? If the track conditions are excellent you can go up in the rear making small adjustments. It is important to remember you have adjustable suspension to help you dial the car in for different track conditions and tire choices.

It is all about experimenting and finding the best combination for your vehicle and track conditions. The suggestions I've made are general starting points that have been proven successful in our testing. Please feel free to call, email or PM me anytime with questions. Good luck!

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originally was around -6 on rear but really wore my inside tires.. raised car back up a little to get more positive as we were fully out of adjustment and could not adjust anymore positive without bringing car up ..we settled for about 1 3/8 drop and -1 camber, toe is good..been running about 3/27...leaning toward going 3/20 and see where that puts me..running 17inch bogarts on mt dr,s, @ 640rwhp...m6 is a bitch to launch, and need it to squat...def hoosiers are in the picture, just wanted to see if i can get these to bite..if i launch at 1100 rpm , like a stop sign launch - no problem, but try and get a little aggressive 2k rpm launch and forget about it...wheelhop and spin...i have 1 good launch out of 15 that the car really squated and bit thru 1st and 2nd...but have not been able to duplicate yet..and that was on -6 camber..running 17lbs air, am gonna drop to 15 psi next ime out and yes , i have line lock , so these tires are def heated up...do you think that raising car up in rear could be a BIG factor in squating and hooking???
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You don't really want the car to squat. If it squats when the weight is transferred then most of the weight (and energy from the transfer) goes to the rear suspension and not the tires. Yes the weight ends up transferred to the rear tires but the energy from the transfer is lost and the tire looses traction if it does not recieve the right amount of energy fast enough.
With less squat more of the weight transfer goes to the tires with less being absorbed by the suspension.

Also, the kinetic energy from a heavy flywheel and a hard hitting clutch will make things alot harder on traction. If and when the traction comes up then those 2 will play a factor in finding the weak link in the drivetrain.

I'm not a rocket scientologist so if I am way off base here, please, someone correct me.
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