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Old 09-21-2011, 12:35 PM   #15
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:00 PM   #16
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Bluetooth is part of Onstar, if you pull the onstar box you lose BT. You might be able to just disconnect the antenna, though, but if you love BT and hate Onstar, your bets bet is costar/bluestar.

I love how everybody always defends Onstar on here and think that those that have a problem with it are tin foil hat nutjobs. I don't want to hear any of you complain when your warranty is denied because Onstar noticed you accidentally overreved your engine, or you insurance goes up because you drove 1000 miles more than you said you would, or you have to pay a road tax because you drove x amount of miles on your local roads, etc.

The problem you all don't understand is that its a slippery slope, and the further the sled goes down the slope, the more momentum it builds up and the more difficult to stop. Sure, maybe right now they aren't going to give your information to the cops for an automatic speeding ticket because they know your car did 90 in a 65, however, give it a few years as they keep sharing more and more info. They'll keep sending out new privacy notices as you get used to it little by little, by the time you wake up, its too late.
Exactly.

This is why I don't understand the people who are not concerned with this.

None of the people they want to "share" this data with are people I want to know where I am 24/7

Why would I want the police to have easy access to tracking data on me and other Americans who aren't doing anything wrong. To get that same data from a cell phone company or your ISP they have to get a warrant and some kind of proof or suspicion that you are doing something illegal. Not so much with car tracking. The courts have already ruled that cops can stick a gps tracker on your car, without telling you, without a warrant and for whatever reason they want. But we all trust the police, they would never abuse power or do anything wrong.

Why would I want my insurance company knowing how fast I drive. This is the dumbest shit ever. When has any insurance company ever not tried to screw you. Screwing people is literally apart of their business plan. sure some people will get a safe driver discount or whatever, but the main purpose of obtaining that data is to deny claims and screw people over.

I don't need credit card companies knowing where I am either. They already know where I buy shit from if I have their card. What do you need extra info for.

And it's funny to me the people who defend anything onstar, GM, chevy. You would think they had stock in the companies. These companies don't give a shit about you. Don't misplace the love you have for your car onto the company who built it. The left hand can't control what the right hand does.
I'm sure there are many people at GM, chevy ect who absolutely love cars. The designers and engineers are the people I love. They aren't the ones trying to screw you. It's the higher up corporate folks who could care less about you or your camaro the second you sign for it.

People need to wake up and take a stand for there rights before they are all gone. This is a very slippery slope indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow try to spin this off as a way to fight a so called war on drugs and terrorism. Just mention those two things and people give up there rights without blinking.

Not to long a go the gov and the Internet had it's panties all in a bunch with apple and others over the use of tracking data stored on your phone and no where else. The data wasn't being sent to apple, it was a cache so when you needed gps it could get a quicker fix. Nothing malicious was taking place nor intended and this was proven later. But some how it's ok for a car company to track you without your concent and use the data how they see fit.
Give me a break.

Tom Tom was also catching heat for the exact same thing when they were doing exactly what GM intends to do. They were selling location data and the local gov bought it and used the data to place speed traps and cameras.
Tom Tom apologized and admitted they had no idea who the company that bought the data was or what their intentions were on using the data.
How many of you really think GM has some kind of policy or security around who buys the data and what for and are actively trying to make sure their customers don't become targets for someone else's gain.

And to make matters worse your not even their customer anymore. You don't benefit from any of this in any way. So they want to make money off you, like you are a cheap hooker and GM is the pimp.
They should be required to give people who are no longer subscribers who they want to track the free safe&sound service for the pleasure of tracking you and making money off of you.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:10 PM   #17
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Also, there are two bluetooth chips in the car. The one tied to onstar is only for voice hands free. The other one is apart of the pdim so you can still play music wirelessly.
I don't like talking while I'm driving anyway so I won't miss a thing.

I tried looking for some instructions on removing onstar. But I'm getting mixed results as to the location of the device. Some say it's in the trunk, some say it's behind the glove box, and some say it's in the dash behind the head unit. And others say to just pull a fuse, which I dont really trust all that much.
The only thing that really needs to be disabled is the cellular radio as this is the only way to send data anywhere. The gps chips are not two way devices.

I'm sure some more solid info will pop up on how to turn this off.

GM should be forced to pay for anyone wanting the device removed by the dealer.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:13 PM   #18
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:14 PM   #19
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Exactly.

This is why I don't understand the people who are not concerned with this.

None of the people they want to "share" this data with are people I want to know where I am 24/7

Why would I want the police to have easy access to tracking data on me and other Americans who aren't doing anything wrong. To get that same data from a cell phone company or your ISP they have to get a warrant and some kind of proof or suspicion that you are doing something illegal. Not so much with car tracking. The courts have already ruled that cops can stick a gps tracker on your car, without telling you, without a warrant and for whatever reason they want. But we all trust the police, they would never abuse power or do anything wrong.

Why would I want my insurance company knowing how fast I drive. This is the dumbest shit ever. When has any insurance company ever not tried to screw you. Screwing people is literally apart of their business plan. sure some people will get a safe driver discount or whatever, but the main purpose of obtaining that data is to deny claims and screw people over.

I don't need credit card companies knowing where I am either. They already know where I buy shit from if I have their card. What do you need extra info for.

And it's funny to me the people who defend anything onstar, GM, chevy. You would think they had stock in the companies. These companies don't give a shit about you. Don't misplace the love you have for your car onto the company who built it. The left hand can't control what the right hand does.
I'm sure there are many people at GM, chevy ect who absolutely love cars. The designers and engineers are the people I love. They aren't the ones trying to screw you. It's the higher up corporate folks who could care less about you or your camaro the second you sign for it.

People need to wake up and take a stand for there rights before they are all gone. This is a very slippery slope indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if they somehow try to spin this off as a way to fight a so called war on drugs and terrorism. Just mention those two things and people give up there rights without blinking.

Not to long a go the gov and the Internet had it's panties all in a bunch with apple and others over the use of tracking data stored on your phone and no where else. The data wasn't being sent to apple, it was a cache so when you needed gps it could get a quicker fix. Nothing malicious was taking place nor intended and this was proven later. But some how it's ok for a car company to track you without your concent and use the data how they see fit.
Give me a break.

Tom Tom was also catching heat for the exact same thing when they were doing exactly what GM intends to do. They were selling location data and the local gov bought it and used the data to place speed traps and cameras.
Tom Tom apologized and admitted they had no idea who the company that bought the data was or what their intentions were on using the data.
How many of you really think GM has some kind of policy or security around who buys the data and what for and are actively trying to make sure their customers don't become targets for someone else's gain.

And to make matters worse your not even their customer anymore. You don't benefit from any of this in any way. So they want to make money off you, like you are a cheap hooker and GM is the pimp.
They should be required to give people who are no longer subscribers who they want to track the free safe&sound service for the pleasure of tracking you and making money off of you.
You do realize they sent out this email about their policies to every customer right? You act like they are hiding it from you. They blatantly said if you don't like it, ask for us to turn it off or have your dealer take it out.

Im not defending them. I'll be getting rid of mine but I don't see the need to freak out on camaro5 about it. While your at it. Turn off your internet because they know what your typing and what your favorite type of porn is too.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:34 PM   #20
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Do you know if they can do it without affecting Bluetooth functionality?
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:47 PM   #21
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To disable OnStar for sure, wouldn't unplugging the connector at the shark fin do the job?

There are two connectors there, one for XM and the other for OnStar.

Have to pull the headliner down from the rear to get to them but could always reconnect when selling the car if the next person wants it.

Just a thought.
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Old 09-21-2011, 01:52 PM   #22
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Do you know if they can do it without affecting Bluetooth functionality?
I really have no idea.

I walked out back to talk to service and neither of the guys I wanted to talk to were available.

I'll try and get back out there when I have a few minutes.

Edited to add: There is a lengthy thread here that you may find more information in: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171384
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Old 09-21-2011, 02:17 PM   #23
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el ess X - do you have to give the vehicle's mileage to the DMV when you renew your tag annually? If so, then your insurance co more than likely got that info from them, rather than GM.
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Old 09-21-2011, 04:03 PM   #24
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el ess X - do you have to give the vehicle's mileage to the DMV when you renew your tag annually? If so, then your insurance co more than likely got that info from them, rather than GM.
Not only that but when you start your insurance usually they ask you "how many miles do you drive?" If he says 5,000 for example. Its a possibility that they decided "hey, lets start an incentive to give 2 canadian dollars back to everyone that says they only drive 5,000 miles a year, that may make our low mileage customers stay loyal"
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:20 PM   #25
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GM should be forced to pay for anyone wanting the device removed by the dealer.
Exactly! If they change the TOS, they have changed the contract that I previously agreed to, they should remove it at THEIR expense. What is wrong with GM? They are going back down the road to insolvency if they continue to treat their customers like dog crap!

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Old 09-21-2011, 08:33 PM   #26
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You do realize they sent out this email about their policies to every customer right? You act like they are hiding it from you. They blatantly said if you don't like it, ask for us to turn it off or have your dealer take it out.

Im not defending them. I'll be getting rid of mine but I don't see the need to freak out on camaro5 about it. While your at it. Turn off your internet because they know what your typing and what your favorite type of porn is too.
I never said or implied they were trying to be sneaky about it.
If someone robs a bank, does it matter if they did it after hours or in the middle of the day while everyone is around.

If they want to track their paying customers and their customers are ok with it, that's fine. But I'm not a customer. And now I have to take time out of my day to deal with some bs that I shouldn't have to other wise. That's why I'm pissed. And just because they say, call us and we won't do it. Why should I have to call anyone.
And are they going to pay for my dealer to remove onstar?

Comparing this to the Internet isn't the same thing. Everybody knows the Internet isn't safe, it's the wild west. You shouldn't say or do anything online you don't want exposed. Tracking someone's car is a whole different situation.

If I sent you an email telling you that I would be waiting for you when you get off work, and then I'm gonna follow you home and anywhere else you may go.
I'm gonna make notes of all this info and try to make some money with it.
I would be locked up. And rightfully so. So you can think I'm freaking out, and I'm fine with that, I can live with that. But being tracked by a company I have no current relationship with.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:37 PM   #27
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They're not selling anything....they can't give it to "anyone who wants it"...and you can tell them to stop collecting snippets of data with nothing more difficult than a phone call.

This is blown out of proportion, and actually quite upsetting that people are getting so freaked out about nothing. Put down your tin-foil, people....PLEASE.
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Unless you work inside of onstar and you are privy to that information, you can't say they are not selling it. Just because you personally believe they are not, does not make it a fact.

People are pissed for good reason. If you don't understand that, then you just don't understand it.
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