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Old 09-21-2011, 08:33 PM   #26
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You do realize they sent out this email about their policies to every customer right? You act like they are hiding it from you. They blatantly said if you don't like it, ask for us to turn it off or have your dealer take it out.

Im not defending them. I'll be getting rid of mine but I don't see the need to freak out on camaro5 about it. While your at it. Turn off your internet because they know what your typing and what your favorite type of porn is too.
I never said or implied they were trying to be sneaky about it.
If someone robs a bank, does it matter if they did it after hours or in the middle of the day while everyone is around.

If they want to track their paying customers and their customers are ok with it, that's fine. But I'm not a customer. And now I have to take time out of my day to deal with some bs that I shouldn't have to other wise. That's why I'm pissed. And just because they say, call us and we won't do it. Why should I have to call anyone.
And are they going to pay for my dealer to remove onstar?

Comparing this to the Internet isn't the same thing. Everybody knows the Internet isn't safe, it's the wild west. You shouldn't say or do anything online you don't want exposed. Tracking someone's car is a whole different situation.

If I sent you an email telling you that I would be waiting for you when you get off work, and then I'm gonna follow you home and anywhere else you may go.
I'm gonna make notes of all this info and try to make some money with it.
I would be locked up. And rightfully so. So you can think I'm freaking out, and I'm fine with that, I can live with that. But being tracked by a company I have no current relationship with.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:37 PM   #27
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They're not selling anything....they can't give it to "anyone who wants it"...and you can tell them to stop collecting snippets of data with nothing more difficult than a phone call.

This is blown out of proportion, and actually quite upsetting that people are getting so freaked out about nothing. Put down your tin-foil, people....PLEASE.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:39 PM   #28
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Unless you work inside of onstar and you are privy to that information, you can't say they are not selling it. Just because you personally believe they are not, does not make it a fact.

People are pissed for good reason. If you don't understand that, then you just don't understand it.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:42 PM   #29
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Unless you work inside of onstar and you are privy to that information, you can't say they are not selling it. Just because you believe they are not, does not make it a fact.
And I can say the very same back to each and every person who believes OnStar is watching you pick your nose at a stoplight.

I'm sorry, liquidsmoke, I'm not going to debate this topic with you any longer. You and a few other believe what you want to believe without much evidence, and that's fine (the bit about opinions and whatnot)...all I ask is that you please don't begin bringing it up everywhere you post on the site. Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:49 PM   #30
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Have I discussed this in a thread that was not specifically about this?

You can believe what you like also, I don't see any evidence that you speak of that says they aren't either. I dont think you understand why people are pissed. It's not that they are or are not selling it. It's not that they are saying they are going to do this. It's that no one trusts them. If you do, that's fine. But I don't. For me personally, the sticking point is that I'm not a subscriber to the service. This should have absolutely nothing to do with me. But it does, and for some reason you think that's ok.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:55 PM   #31
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Unless you work inside of onstar and you are privy to that information, you can't say they are not selling it. Just because you believe they are not, does not make it a fact.


And I can say the very same back to each and every person who believes OnStar is watching you pick your nose at a stoplight.

I'm sorry, liquidsmoke, I'm not going to debate this topic with you any longer. You and a few other believe what you want to believe without much evidence,
Here is the evidence.

Now can you guys please stop harrassing liquidsmoke and stay on topic? Thanks.
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Old 09-21-2011, 08:59 PM   #32
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Here is the evidence.

Now can you guys please stop harrassing liquidsmoke and stay on topic? Thanks.
I see a perfectly clear and acceptable privacy policy. (And yes, I read the entire thing, word for word)

I also apologize for contributing thread-jacking. On-topic...haven't there been several other threads in the past detailing how to remove the OnStar module?
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Old 09-21-2011, 09:19 PM   #33
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Bluetooth is part of Onstar, if you pull the onstar box you lose BT. You might be able to just disconnect the antenna, though, but if you love BT and hate Onstar, your bets bet is costar/bluestar.
With everything I've managed to find so far, it looks like this Bluestar thing is the only real solution. Hmmm...
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Old 09-21-2011, 09:36 PM   #34
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There are other threads about removing onstar, and I've read all them, but like I was saying a few post back they are all confusing and not consistent.

Some say it's located in the trunk, another thread says it's behind the glove box, another one says it's behind the head unit, and yet another one says just to pull a fuse, with someone replying saying the fuse thing dont fully work.

And no pictures of any of it, so I don't even know what I'm looking for once I do start pulling things apart.

I was just hoping this thread would settle that and we could get to the bottom of where the parts are located in the camaro and the best way to disable them.
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Old 09-21-2011, 10:19 PM   #35
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call them up and tell them you do not want them to collect your data

Unless the Data Connection to your Vehicle is deactivated, data about
your Vehicle will continue to be collected even if you do not have a
Plan. It is important that you convey this to other drivers, occupants,
or subsequent owners of your Vehicle. You may deactivate the Data
Connection to your Vehicle at any time by contacting an OnStar
Advisor.
You will gain .2 seconds and 2 mph on the track with Onstar deactivated, Onstar slows your car when exceeding 100 mph.

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Wrap your camaro in aluminum foil.
On my way to Walmart for tons of it. I am definitely getting a Mustang 5.0 after reading this crap. Those chrome Camaro SS don't have this issue, trust me.

This thread should be called,"BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU".
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Old 09-21-2011, 10:20 PM   #36
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Old 09-22-2011, 12:08 AM   #37
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Old 09-22-2011, 08:10 AM   #38
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From the discloser statement:

may share the information we collect with law enforcement

Doesn't say that if legally required but may at their discretion they may share. If requested by a warrant, I understand.

or other public safety officials,

Who are those? Wonder why is it even included.

credit card processors
Wonder why credit card processors need speed and location information.

I bought the "Safe and Sound" plan for my safety not so they could keep and share information that is not directly releated to that concept.

I guess If I want that plan, I have to accept little brother. So I probably will not renew. I have survived 49 years of driving w/o it, guess I can live a few more w/o it.


Several years back a car rental company added extra charges to the car renter because the renter speeded or went out side of the area.
With state governments wanting more of our $'s, who knows what would happen if they could get their hands on the gps location and speeds. We already have stop light and speed cameras being used as a $ source.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:41 AM   #39
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Has anyone found a way to disable OnStar?
Preferably without losing bluetooth?

I know people are getting annoyed with this topic, but just thought I'd bump this... surely there are a few Chevrolet technicians who have some insight on this forum... Anyone?
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Old 09-22-2011, 11:31 AM   #40
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Has anyone found a way to disable OnStar?
Preferably without losing bluetooth?
I believe you can unplug the GPS and Onstar antennae connetions, but leave the box in place. I'm not 100% on that, though.
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Yea I've seen people guessing or theorizing, but wondering if anyone knows for sure...

Saw a video where someone disabled it (it was posted on here) and the dude said something about disabling cellular communications or something. Not sure if he meant the communication between OnStar and the car or if he was referring to bluetooth...
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Old 09-22-2011, 11:42 AM   #42
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In my opinion, There is no difference from what they where doing before, just now they are going to share your driving habits anonymously to third parties. Quit freaking out. The already share your info with police and emergency vehicles thats part of safe and sound.
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Old 09-22-2011, 11:47 AM   #43
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In my opinion, There is no difference from what they where doing before, just now they are going to share your driving habits anonymously to third parties. Quit freaking out. The already share your info with police and emergency vehicles thats part of safe and sound.
If you're talking to me, I'm not freaking out. I just want to know how to do it in case more is unveiled about who they are selling their information to.

I'm confident they aren't doing some of the things people are worried about (report speeding to authorities, mileage/speeding to insurance companies, voiding warranty based on data sent to them etc). I think the revised policy is likely covering their asses a little more, and improving services.

But, better safe than sorry.

If anyone knows the answer post it up. This isn't supposed to be a debate on here.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:05 PM   #44
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just got off the phone with my chevy dealer, talking to there camaro tech.
He says the onstar module is located behind the glove box. First remove the glove box and then there is another panel and its located there.
He says it shouldn't be hard to remove, just unplug it.

says it shouldn't take longer than 30 min to be done. Its prob less than that as they bill by 30 min increments so they would charge 50 bucks if you wanted them to do it. IMO it should be covered under warranty for those unable to do it.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:17 PM   #45
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i doubt you will be able to keep the bluetooth after taking the module out.
It really all depends on how many parts make up the total system and the best point of cutting the line. If its all inside one box then you wont be able too keep it.

the way the system works, there is gps and there is a cell phone. Im pretty sure the bluetooth is apart of the cell phone and this is the main part that sends data to onstar.
you could leave the gps alone and only disconnect the cellular radio, but you would likely loose bluetooth also.
Disconnecting the gps antenna wont do much good either as location can be triangulated with just the cellular radio but it wouldn't be as accurate, and they would still collect other information like your speed, belt buckle being on or off etc.
The best way is to just remove the cellular radio part, or just junk the whole system.

Personally for me, i dont care about loosing the bluetooth. You still have bluetooth in the pdim so you can still stream music wirelessly. You just wont be able to take and receive phone calls over the car speakers. For some that may be an issue, but from someone elses post earlier the bluestar thing will fix that for you.
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Old 09-22-2011, 02:23 PM   #46
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The best way is to just remove the cellular radio part, or just junk the whole system.
I don't see what the "cellular radio" has to do with bluetooth?
Bluetooth is just the middleman between your phone and your head unit- in some cars I believe the bluetooth functionality is in the head unit itself, and not an external component.

If the bluetooth is built in to the OnStar box it would be a damn shame. I've grown accustomed to making and receiving phone calls hands free in our current cars. At this point I don't want to take a step backwards.

Again- if anyone knows for sure about the bluetooth- post up. Speculation is nice, but knowing for sure is better.
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Old 09-22-2011, 03:17 PM   #47
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I don't see what the "cellular radio" has to do with bluetooth?
Bluetooth is just the middleman between your phone and your head unit- in some cars I believe the bluetooth functionality is in the head unit itself, and not an external component.

If the bluetooth is built in to the OnStar box it would be a damn shame. I've grown accustomed to making and receiving phone calls hands free in our current cars. At this point I don't want to take a step backwards.

Again- if anyone knows for sure about the bluetooth- post up. Speculation is nice, but knowing for sure is better.
The bluetooth receiver is built in to the onstar module. Therefore, no onstar module, no bluetooth calls. The bluetooth for your music is built into the PDIM. Therefore it will still work even without the onstar module.

This isnt speculation. Its fact. Thats why us 1SS owners dont have bluetooth. In order to add it we have to switch out the onstar module with a bluetooth enabled onstar module.

Yes its stupid.
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It does indeed appear, according to GM documents, that the afore-mentioned fuse in the F-14D (Tomcat) location only powers the OnStar module:

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The telematics communication interface control module is a cellular device that allows the user to communicate data and voice signals over the national cellular network. Power is provided by a dedicated, fused B+ circuit.
The fuse location is verified in the upper left corner of the attached schematic. Note that there may be a backup battery which would keep it alive for a bit (pins 13 & 14, there in the top middle section of the schematic). Towards the upper right corner, there are the connections #2 & 3 for "cellular phone and digital radio" antennae. They don't specify which is which, but the lefthand one has arrows which seem to indicate bi-directional activity (transmission and reception) versus the righthand one has one arrow pointing inwards (ostensibly meaning reception only). So if you're worried about losing BlueTooth connectivity with your phone, WHICH WILL BE LOST if you pull the fuse (you can see the BT antenna on the far right of module in the attached pic; and the document I quoted from above also specifies hands-free BT, if equipped, being handled by this module) you should be able to pull antenna connector #3 and be good to go (if you lose sat reception, put that one back and try the other one!). You'll have duct-taped it's mouth so to speak, and given it a nice tall glass of stfu, without disrupting any of the other functions.
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Any aftermarket head units with built in bluetooth for phone that would integrate with the car easily?

Anything different for 2012? Bluetooth is standard on 2012's however it's likely the same scenario.
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Any aftermarket head units with built in bluetooth for phone that would integrate with the car easily?

Anything different for 2012? Bluetooth is standard on 2012's however it's likely the same scenario.
You need a dash kit in order to change out the head unit since the A/C controls etc. are part of it.

Is there a reason why you don't want to just call onstar and tell them to disable your data connection? That way you can keep the unit installed.

From the privacy statement "You may deactivate the Data Connection to your Vehicle at any time by contacting an OnStar Advisor."
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