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Old 10-12-2011, 05:50 PM   #18
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I have the Hawk HPS brake pads and they only squeek occasionally. When they start doing it, I just get the car going about 40 MPH and then hammer the brakes, repeat, repeat again and it stops squeeking. I know the guys with slotted rotors have less issue with this because they are constantly scuffing/cleaning the pads on the slots. Sorry you're having issues with, they work fine for me.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:05 PM   #19
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I have the Hawk HPS brake pads and they only squeek occasionally. When they start doing it, I just get the car going about 40 MPH and then hammer the brakes, repeat, repeat again and it stops squeeking. I know the guys with slotted rotors have less issue with this because they are constantly scuffing/cleaning the pads on the slots. Sorry you're having issues with, they work fine for me.
It just pisses me of because they claim the pads produce "virtually no noise".
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:11 PM   #20
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Like has already been said, if you want better braking, it comes with its side effects. Here's a few other things that might help bring down the noise though:
Gob on the anti-squeal compound
brake caliper weights may have fallen off
the caliper mounting bolts are torque to yield and are supposed to be replaced each time the caliper is removed.
I have HP+ pads and have a little squeaking, I put the anti-squeal on there and it made it more bearable. They warn that HP+ will be noisier though. I haven't tried the other parts though...
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:20 PM   #21
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I have the same pads and they squeak from time to time. The price you pay for better braking. BTW I had to take off the brake caliper weights to fit my Bogarts on.

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I used Kawk #HB194Z-570 & HB453Z-585. These are the Performance Ceramic Pads. Not the High Performance Street Pads. No noise at all from them.
I have these...and they squeak like hell...guess what ...the price to pay for low dirt and high stoppin power
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Old 10-12-2011, 08:05 PM   #23
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I have these...and they squeak like hell...guess what ...the price to pay for low dirt and high stoppin power
I agree 100%... but they shouldn't advertise that it is "low dust and virtually noise free"
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:20 PM   #24
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That's very odd to hear. I have Hawk HPS pads all around with Slotted rotors on the 4th gen and there's no Squeaking at all when braking as well as on my Eclipse where I have them in the front and same thing no squeaking at all.

I will say that there's a sort of like clunking noise when you let go of the brakes after being stopped, but it's only noticeable if you have your radio completely off. I did bed them in properly though on the 4th gen and the eclipse ehhh kind of.

Have you tried slapping a bunch of anti-squeal compound on there? I got the red stuff in a bottle from Auto Zone and filled in the back of the pads completely (it may look kind of retarded but shoot I have no squeaks and it's a daily driver).

Edit: As for dusting they dust just about the same as any other pads in my opinion but it's a much lighter dusting if that makes sense. Like with my previous pads I'd have to scrub the dust off hard if it had been sitting for a while. With the Hawk HPS pads I can just spray water and wipe away.

It could also be a problem with their version of these pads for the 5th gen (I'm still riding on the stock pads/rotors), although if other owners don't have the same problem you could've messed them up or you could have gotten a bad set
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The shop where you had them done should of had the car ready for you when you picked the car up or at least told you what to do.
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I have those same pads on now for a week with DBA 5000 rotors. Not as much dust as stock and stops similar. I heard a few squeals but not much. Honestly i had same pads on my BMW years ago and these pads don't stop as great as people say. Should have gotten the Carbotechs.
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:45 AM   #27
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Well its official. These brake pads are garbage.

I bedded the brakes as specified on the box and they still squeek.
The squeek is so loud and annoying that I've had to ALTER how I drive to avoid hearing it.
I took my car yesterday to the shop I always go to, that also installed the pads and said they were FINE. They took off the pads and even showed them to me and said they don't know why they squeek. They were a little dirty but nothing out of the ordinary. When they were installed they turned my rotors too.

I can make about 3-4 normal stops in traffic and then the squeek starts and its loud. People look at me like "S*** go get your brakes done!" The only way I don't hear it is if I stop harder than normal. And significantly harder. I mean stopping like I wasn't paying attention and had to stop suddenly. Thats not normal driving.

These damn pads squeek louder than the stock pads did when they were worn down. I guess I'm saving up now to buy new pads because I cannot stand this. I'm going to call the actual manufacturer later and see what they say, but you know what? These pads have been on my car since August so I'm probably S O L. wASTE OF $220.
The Hawk HPS compound is not garbage by any means. It is not a highly aggressive pad, to be sure. But certainly not junk. It's been around for over a decade with pretty predictable results.

Did you install these on brand new rotors, or at least rotors that had been professionally cleaned up? If not, I'm 99% confident the squeak issue is not with the pads. Fresh pads have a hell of a time seating properly on even slightly grooved rotors. The temptation is always there just to swap out pads and leave the rotors, which sometimes works. But more often than not, you end up pulling the rotors off later anyway (after cussing out the new set of pads). It's like putting old, worn solid lifters on a new camshaft -- not a good idea!

If they were installed on fresh or freshened up rotors, then they were probably glazed between the time they were new (and not bedded properly) until they were later. They will need to be removed, scuffed face down on 150 or so grit sandpaper on a very flat surface until the pad face is completely dull. Also, scuff the rotors friction faces with either a Flex-Hone or Scotch-Brite using a ton of elbow grease. Reinstall, re-bed. Done. You might add some Permatex Ceramic Extreme Brake Parts Lubricant to give some resistance to the occasional, harmless low pedal effort, low speed squeal many semi-metallic pads will give off.

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Old 10-13-2011, 03:00 AM   #28
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Thanks that was helpful. I'll ask the shop to try this when I get time.
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I have the Hawk HPS brake pads and they only squeek occasionally. When they start doing it, I just get the car going about 40 MPH and then hammer the brakes, repeat, repeat again and it stops squeeking. I know the guys with slotted rotors have less issue with this because they are constantly scuffing/cleaning the pads on the slots. Sorry you're having issues with, they work fine for me.
Had the noise issue briefly at first, pulled and sanded the pad edges, grease piston contacts, and braked more aggressively - no more problems. Kinda like the crazy fast stopping .....complements the fast starts LOL

Slotted/drilled rotors though... 200+ degrees cooler on road courses!
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I think I may have found the problem.
1) When I had the brakes come in, the guy at the shop used this protocol to bed the brakes which he took from the vendor's website I purchashed them from:
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1.After installing new brake pads, make 6 to 8 brakings* from approximately 30-35 mph, applying moderate pressure. Do not go below 25 mph.

2.Make an additional 2 to 3 hard brakings* from approximately 50 to 55 mph. Do not go below 40 mph.

3.Allow 15 minutes for the brake system to cool down. Do not apply the parking brake# during this cooldown period.
I looked yesterday at the actual Hawk website last night before I left work and found a different protocol. It only differed by having you come to a near stop keeping the car above 5mph. The above protocol wants you to stay above 25 and 40 mph for steps 1 and 2, respectively.

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1. Make 8-10 stops from 30-35 mph with moderate pressure. Keep the car above 5 mph.

2. Make 2-3 hard stops from 45-50 mph with aggresive pressure (no ABS), keep the car above 5mph. You may smell the brakes, that's normal (I did).

3. Let the brakes cool for 15 min. and they are ready to go.
I mention this to the guys at the shop and they said It could have made a significant difference since the more gentle braking I quoted may not heat up the pads enough to cause transfer. He told me to try it the way its posted in the youtube vid where I nearly come to a stop, and then drive above 60 for 15 to cool the brakes. If that doesn't work they will reface them for free as suggested by Chris B.

So last night after work I went out to a lonely road that leave the county (state altogther) and bedded them as explained in the video and then took a nice 15 min into Southern New Mexico. Came home and parked my car all night. NOW. Today coming into work, I heard no squeeking. I drove 15min to work in light traffic making maybe 5-6 complete stops and then I'm about to pull into my parking space - the moment of truth. Nothing. No noise. I'll see how long this lasts and report back. I hope this took care of the issue but if not, I'll take it to the shop and see what they can do. I've never had high performance ceramic brakes before so I had no idea this was even needed. My 1st car was a Z24 and my second car was a G6 GT. Thanks for all the input guys.
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So last night after work I went out to a lonely road that leave the county (state altogther) and bedded them as explained in the video and then took a nice 15 min into Southern New Mexico. Came home and parked my car all night. NOW. Today coming into work, I heard no squeeking. I drove 15min to work in light traffic making maybe 5-6 complete stops and then I'm about to pull into my parking space - the moment of truth. Nothing. No noise. I'll see how long this lasts and report back. I hope this took care of the issue but if not, I'll take it to the shop and see what they can do. I've never had high performance ceramic brakes before so I had no idea this was even needed. My 1st car was a Z24 and my second car was a G6 GT. Thanks for all the input guys.
Sounds like you are on the right path. No worries, all brake jobs should be done the correct way -- all the way, but many are not. The pads don't know which car they are on, but they need to run true against the rotor and need a good transfer layer put down on the rotor faces.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:38 AM   #32
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I think I may have found the problem.
1) When I had the brakes come in, the guy at the shop used this protocol to bed the brakes which he took from the vendor's website I purchashed them from:


I looked yesterday at the actual Hawk website last night before I left work and found a different protocol. It only differed by having you come to a near stop keeping the car above 5mph. The above protocol wants you to stay above 25 and 40 mph for steps 1 and 2, respectively.



I mention this to the guys at the shop and they said It could have made a significant difference since the more gentle braking I quoted may not heat up the pads enough to cause transfer. He told me to try it the way its posted in the youtube vid where I nearly come to a stop, and then drive above 60 for 15 to cool the brakes. If that doesn't work they will reface them for free as suggested by Chris B.

So last night after work I went out to a lonely road that leave the county (state altogther) and bedded them as explained in the video and then took a nice 15 min into Southern New Mexico. Came home and parked my car all night. NOW. Today coming into work, I heard no squeeking. I drove 15min to work in light traffic making maybe 5-6 complete stops and then I'm about to pull into my parking space - the moment of truth. Nothing. No noise. I'll see how long this lasts and report back. I hope this took care of the issue but if not, I'll take it to the shop and see what they can do. I've never had high performance ceramic brakes before so I had no idea this was even needed. My 1st car was a Z24 and my second car was a G6 GT. Thanks for all the input guys.
That was pretty much the advice I gave you, if they start making noise again, you just repeat the process, and trust me they will make some noise again. Those hard stops, heating the pads up does the trick everytime. Good luck with them.
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Well its official. These brake pads are garbage.

I bedded the brakes as specified on the box and they still squeek.
The squeek is so loud and annoying that I've had to ALTER how I drive to avoid hearing it.
I took my car yesterday to the shop I always go to, that also installed the pads and said they were FINE. They took off the pads and even showed them to me and said they don't know why they squeek. They were a little dirty but nothing out of the ordinary. When they were installed they turned my rotors too.

I can make about 3-4 normal stops in traffic and then the squeek starts and its loud. People look at me like "S*** go get your brakes done!" The only way I don't hear it is if I stop harder than normal. And significantly harder. I mean stopping like I wasn't paying attention and had to stop suddenly. Thats not normal driving.

These damn pads squeek louder than the stock pads did when they were worn down. I guess I'm saving up now to buy new pads because I cannot stand this. I'm going to call the actual manufacturer later and see what they say, but you know what? These pads have been on my car since August so I'm probably S O L. wASTE OF $220.

I have been saying this for months now!!! These brakes are HORRIBLE!! I bedded them EXACTLY how it says to, and they don't just squeak, they scream!!! I didn't have the extra $$$ to buy new stock brakes and return these to hawk, and couldn't afford to have my car down because this is my daily driver.. They literally scream like a trash truck or school bus NO EXCUSE for a sound such as this... And everyone that says that high performance brakes make noise obviously hasn't heard the scream these HPS pads make.I will never buy Hawk pads again.
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Also for anyone that wants to hear this scream, go to youtube, and type in Hawk hps brake pad squeal squeak 1. (i don't know how to imbed videos, sorry) After you guys watch this video, feel free to post whether or not this is the "NORMAL" sound that high performance brake pads make. This is EXACTLY the sound that my brakes give off, ESPECIALLY at lower speeds.
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