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Old 10-02-2011, 03:19 AM   #126
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I'd love my 2012 TFE to be waaaay more accurate to the movie version than it is... especially that ZL1 fascia and the color. BUT realistically I know it ain't gonna happen. The decision I face now is the idea that if I ever sell it (which is unlikely! haha) will it sell better if I modify it for accuracy? or if i live it as it came off the production line?
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:36 AM   #127
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But I for one am not going to take a 50k car and paint it like I want as the car would loose value.

... but it only looses value if you plan on selling it later, right? if you buy a ZL1, it should be a keeper! with that being said, you should paint it any color you like.
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Old 10-02-2011, 11:14 AM   #128
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However, I don't really think the car would lose value if the paint job is done RIGHT. (which will cost at least $8K I think)

Sure you won't add 8K to the car's value, but a quality paint job, especially painted after a great looking movie car, won't hurt the value. That's just my opinion tho.
I am no expert on this subject matter, but I do know what this does to a first gen camaro 45 years later.
Originality. Its a proven fact that people will always pay more for originality.
No matter how you slice it, when you try to sell your ZL1 10 years down the road and it is painted Bright Blue Purple Metallic, they will be able to run the trim codes and see it was originally Victory Red.
You can bet everytime you are going to have to come WAY down on your selling price when all you would of had to do is keep the car original.

Just my two cents but I wish others would chime on this logic and I would like to hear professionals on this advice as well. It might make me wanna paint mine ABM after all. Its not a money issue with me at all.
Its a "Left the factory" this way issue with me when it comes to my ZL1.
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Old 10-02-2011, 01:07 PM   #129
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Everybody buying ZL1's to profit on collector status are retarded.
Its not a limited production car, and there will be way too many produced to be "rare".
Also you would have to wait approximately 30 years, and hope people actually care about gas powered cars then.
There's more to the current muscle car value movement than time and rarity. The people involved are nostalgic about the era of these cars. As time passes,so do these people. New generations are far more apt to collect Hondas and Acuras than Fords and Chevies.
Buy a ZL1 for the right reasons..to enjoy the performance of the car. When you are done with it, sell it. You will lose money because you will sell it for far less than new value, but it will be ok, because that is how it works. That is how it ALLWAYS works.

How many original ZL1 owners from 69 still have thier ZL1's...one. So the odds of keeping the car long enough even to just break even is a virtual impossiblity.

If you want a different color, paint it. Do a good job and don't worry about devaluing it, you can't devalue it any more than another paint job costs....
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Old 10-02-2011, 01:59 PM   #130
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I am no expert on this subject matter, but I do know what this does to a first gen camaro 45 years later.
Originality. Its a proven fact that people will always pay more for originality.
This.

In my years of collector car hunting/buying/selling, the purple with blue flamed $12K paint job is passed over more times than not for a plain jane dark metallic blue FACTORY paint job nearly every time.

It all depends on the end buyer. Every serious car collector will know what came stock. The rock factory stock blank canvas, as it were, is more commonly sought after than any other as far as collectors go. It's just how it is. That hasn't changed in my experience in over 25 years. You must assume every mod will shrink your potential buyer pool. For the purist, anything other than factory stock is a sin. You have extremes. Remember too, what's tasteful to you now, may not be to others, or even relevant or desired 20 years from now (think thick shag carpet wall mods in those vans of the 70s).

But some mods aren't as detrimental as others. For example, if you put on a cat back, but sell the car with the original exhaust so the new owner could choose to put it back on if they wanted, then no real original value points lost. Or if it's a popular mod, like the custom floor mats or rearview mirror camera (on cars that didn't come with it) it may not deduct much overall. But flare out the rear fenders for huge slicks and weld on fins....there may be 50 people in the world looking for that and if you find one, great, but you're likely going to be driving around a long time with the "For Sale" sign in your window.

Originality matters most in collector land. But if you don't care, then mod away to your liking. It's your canvas. That's my take on it from my own experiences. Yours may differ.
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The rear diffuser heat shields are bright metal in these most recent pictures, not flat black as on the red show circuit car. I hope they powder coat them black, it makes the tailpanel blend in better with the exhaust pipes I think. I am going for the dark contrasting look for mine, as in an IBM with 10 spokes and stripe without anything brightly polished. The bright metal rear diffuser heat shield would stand out and call attention to that area. The bright metal dual/dual exhaust speaks out loud and clear enough visually without any unnecessary attention being called to the tail. Just my .02
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Old 10-02-2011, 06:29 PM   #132
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Factory Rare w/ heritage that where I live
The ZL1 is tempting for the car not the collectability
I like my 02 b4c 1 0f 6 ... now if there is a rarer edition of a ZL1 I am a sucker for it.
That's how I dove on an ABM when they discontinued the color but the 2010 isn't rare but I saw it as I see the ZL1 as I bought the 2010 because of the CAR

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Old 10-02-2011, 06:50 PM   #133
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Everybody buying ZL1's to profit on collector status are retarded.
Its not a limited production car, and there will be way too many produced to be "rare".
Also you would have to wait approximately 30 years, and hope people actually care about gas powered cars then.
There's more to the current muscle car value movement than time and rarity. The people involved are nostalgic about the era of these cars. As time passes,so do these people. New generations are far more apt to collect Hondas and Acuras than Fords and Chevies.
Buy a ZL1 for the right reasons..to enjoy the performance of the car. When you are done with it, sell it. You will lose money because you will sell it for far less than new value, but it will be ok, because that is how it works. That is how it ALLWAYS works....
Maybe. Finding an unmolested 2012 in good condition might be hard in 10 or 15 years. How many people intend to mod and drive the hell out of the car? Quite a few. Add to that the shortened 2012 production run and you will be looking at a car that there aren't that many of in desirable condition. Now will this car be desirable in 15-20 years? That is a different question. There will be people who desire the ZL1 but won't be able to afford one for 15-20 years. Some of these people will want one in original condition. Who knows if we will still be able to buy that many V8 cars then? It is somewhat possible the ZL1 is one of the last cars in this platinum era of performance cars. That doesn't mean they will be worth $100,000, but they might hold value well.

That said, I'm not buying mine as an investment but the ZL1 has more chance of being worth something than a lot of cars for sale right now - especially if they don't make a 6th gen version.
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:41 PM   #134
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Old 10-02-2011, 08:59 PM   #135
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Good pics or bad I'm digging it even with the mohawk. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:12 PM   #136
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Everybody buying ZL1's to profit on collector status are retarded.
Its not a limited production car, and there will be way too many produced to be "rare".
Also you would have to wait approximately 30 years, and hope people actually care about gas powered cars then.
There's more to the current muscle car value movement than time and rarity. The people involved are nostalgic about the era of these cars. As time passes,so do these people. New generations are far more apt to collect Hondas and Acuras than Fords and Chevies.
Buy a ZL1 for the right reasons..to enjoy the performance of the car. When you are done with it, sell it. You will lose money because you will sell it for far less than new value, but it will be ok, because that is how it works. That is how it ALLWAYS works.

How many original ZL1 owners from 69 still have thier ZL1's...one. So the odds of keeping the car long enough even to just break even is a virtual impossiblity.

If you want a different color, paint it. Do a good job and don't worry about devaluing it, you can't devalue it any more than another paint job costs....
...wow...ummm...WOW! And,....
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:22 PM   #137
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...wow...ummm...WOW! And,....

huh?..ok maybe retarded was a little harsh, but its the truth. People who think they are buying a 69 ZL1 type investment are in for a harsh reality. Just as Shelby's decrease in value every year so will ZL1. That collector car ship has sailed...around 1971 to be exact. These cars will not appreciate.. in most of our lifetimes at least..
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:39 PM   #138
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The rear diffuser heat shields are bright metal in these most recent pictures, not flat black as on the red show circuit car. I hope they powder coat them black, it makes the tailpanel blend in better with the exhaust pipes I think. I am going for the dark contrasting look for mine, as in an IBM with 10 spokes and stripe without anything brightly polished. The bright metal rear diffuser heat shield would stand out and call attention to that area. The bright metal dual/dual exhaust speaks out loud and clear enough visually without any unnecessary attention being called to the tail. Just my .02
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Old 10-02-2011, 09:42 PM   #139
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So far, we've only seen the [what I assume are] unfinished, shiny heat shields on Prototype/Test cars....I hope it stays that way....
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Old 10-02-2011, 10:13 PM   #140
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I dont know about all that--I bought mine for me...not for the next guy. I am sure there are plenty of bone stock 2010's in garages all around the nation. Let those guys sell on Barret Jackson in 2040. I hope to burn the wheels off this thing till I die...or it dies.
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Wat you talkin bout Willis......Its sweeet....My wife says it would look boring without it :P
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Looks great! Can't wait for ZL1s to hit production!
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I actually like the new grille I love the way it matches the lower grille and rear
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:28 AM   #144
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Old 10-03-2011, 05:32 AM   #145
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So, you want to see a better picture of the grill? I thought it looked familiar and I went back into my photo reference library and found it under the Jay Leno Camaro. It looks likes a close match. The horizontal bars appear to be a little thicker. What do you think?
You missed the matching alternate pattern of invert/overt on the horizontal bars which matches the lower grill exactly in the pictures of the yellow ZL1...though I still like this hood better if it had ram air in the front between the heat extractors...though it would do no good for heat extraction on a supercharger.
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You missed the matching alternate pattern of invert/overt on the horizontal bars which matches the lower grill exactly in the pictures of the yellow ZL1...though I still like this hood better if it had ram air in the front between the heat extractors...though it would do no good for heat extraction on a supercharger.
You are 100% right! In my haste to try to find that picture I knew I had, I missed the finer points until I was able to spend more time examining the yellow ZL1 better. Although it IS SIMILAR it is NOT the exact grill. As you stated the newer grill has the same indentions that the lower grill and real valence has. The horizontal bars that hold the bow tie seem a little bit heavier too. BUT, it seems to me to be the starting point from whence the new grill came from. I like it and it ties the whole car together.
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Looks Awesome! I'll be ordering mine soon as I get my new house with a 3 car garage so I have room for both camaros. Hope they have it in ABM!
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