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Old 10-10-2011, 11:01 AM   #76
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1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th,------6th...... I don't think so!



Mac, I doubt he was sitting in the board room.
Just a hunch but me thinks GM is keeping everyone distracted with the ZL1....while secretly creating a Z-28 for 2013.
I figure many people will have sticker shock when they see the price of the ZL1.The people with the cash will scoop up all 2012 production of ZL1s.Then bring out the Z28 in 2013.
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Just a hunch but me thinks GM is keeping everyone distracted with the ZL1....while secretly creating a Z-28 for 2013.
I figure many people will have sticker shock when they see the price of the ZL1.The people with the cash will scoop up all 2012 production of ZL1s.Then bring out the Z28 in 2013.
I'll agree with you one thing. If there's going to be a Gen5 Z28, it'll more than likely be a 2013.
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at some of these statements..

Since when did a Z28 ever cost more than an SS? I can't remember it ever happening, as the Z28 was generally lighter, and less powerful. So now, you want to make it more powerful than an SS and a better overall car...and more expensive...

Just can't help but laugh at that..
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at some of these statements..

Since when did a Z28 ever cost more than an SS? I can't remember it ever happening, as the Z28 was generally lighter, and less powerful. So now, you want to make it more powerful than an SS and a better overall car...and more expensive...

Just can't help but laugh at that..
You can not be serious with this statement !!!! When have you ever seen any generation of Z28 be less than a comparable SS. I would say only the '67 to '69 SS L-78 would be worth more.
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Compared to the original 2006 concept and the 2010 production car, I love the Z28 concept.
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You can not be serious with this statement !!!! When have you ever seen any generation of Z28 be less than a comparable SS. I would say only the '67 to '69 SS L-78 would be worth more.
I'm pretty sure he isn't referring to market value per se. I think he's more referring to MSRP. The SS model has typically always had a higher MSRP than the Z/28. At least the 4th gens were that way. But I'm not real sure about previous gens. But I "believe" that the original 67-69's were priced that way.
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I'm pretty sure he isn't referring to market value per se. I think he's more referring to MSRP. The SS model has typically always had a higher MSRP than the Z/28. At least the 4th gens were that way. But I'm not real sure about previous gens. But I "believe" that the original 67-69's were priced that way.
^^This.

Which is why I see these comments talking about a 45k Z28 as hilarious.

The truth in MY opinion is that GM would be better served just waiting until the 6th gen car. Better power to weight ratio, would give them the chance to perfect the things that the customers REALLY want...

And for the record, just so you don't get it all bent out of shape, I love the Z cars...and would buy one if one was out...
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4th gens were a fluke. GM had the Z already in production. SLP came to GM with an idea and they labeled it an SS. Only reason the SS cost more then the Z in the 4th gens. and most 4th gen SS's were Z28/SS's. if the SS had a special place as the Z does for the camaro then they would have always produced an SS camaro. so many people have things mixed up because of the 4th gens.
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at some of these statements..

Since when did a Z28 ever cost more than an SS? I can't remember it ever happening, as the Z28 was generally lighter, and less powerful. So now, you want to make it more powerful than an SS and a better overall car...and more expensive...

Just can't help but laugh at that..


After reading your statement I had to pull Jerry's book out and look at window stickers for 69's. Depending on the options some Z/28's were more expensive then COPO's.
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4th gens were a fluke. GM had the Z already in production. SLP came to GM with an idea and they labeled it an SS. Only reason the SS cost more then the Z in the 4th gens. and most 4th gen SS's were Z28/SS's. if the SS had a special place as the Z does for the camaro then they would have always produced an SS camaro. so many people have things mixed up because of the 4th gens.
But if you notice, the SS cars got the most HP despite that..... they were the more expensive cars....and that's what I'm getting at...

Not to mention, when it comes to bragging rights on the 1/4 mile track (which most car guys care about) the SS was the king.. in EVERY Chevy model...


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After reading your statement I had to pull Jerry's book out and look at window stickers for 69's. Depending on the options some Z/28's were more expensive then COPO's.
Options change the game though, as I could option build a 1SS 5th Gen to crack 40k...despite costing just 30k brand new...
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I'm sorry, but I can't help but laugh at some of these statements..

Since when did a Z28 ever cost more than an SS? I can't remember it ever happening, as the Z28 was generally lighter, and less powerful. So now, you want to make it more powerful than an SS and a better overall car...and more expensive...

Just can't help but laugh at that..
Well ... the Z28 was more expensive in the 1st gen, and was faster than most SSs in a straight line (and would have killed them on a roadcourse). After the 1st gen ... I don't think GM hasn't made a Z28 & an SS at the same time, since they didn't actually make the 4th gen SS's.
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But if you notice, the SS cars got the most HP despite that..... they were the more expensive cars....and that's what I'm getting at...

Not to mention, when it comes to bragging rights on the 1/4 mile track (which most car guys care about) the SS was the king.. in EVERY Chevy model...
That makes me laugh. maybe in the good ole usa. don't kid yourself. 1/4 mile times are a joke. all they shower is acceleration not what a car is really capable of.

you can keep believing the SS was king. that's ok.
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But if you notice, the SS cars got the most HP despite that..... they were the more expensive cars....and that's what I'm getting at...

Not to mention, when it comes to bragging rights on the 1/4 mile track (which most car guys care about) the SS was the king.. in EVERY Chevy model...




Options change the game though, as I could option build a 1SS 5th Gen to crack 40k...despite costing just 30k brand new...
You better check and see what Chevrolet models has a SS emblem.

All basic 1969 Camaros started at $2726.00 and went up as the year progressed. VIN 709540 (late Oct. 1969) topped out at $2816.00.
Add the options and get the price. SS cars were not always the top dollar car.

Guess who has VIN 704511.
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I predict that the Z-28 will be a turbocharged V6... especially since we've seen how nicely some turbo's would mount up to the new 1 piece head/exhaust manifold.
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I predict that the Z-28 will be a turbocharged V6... especially since we've seen how nicely some turbo's would mount up to the new 1 piece head/exhaust manifold.
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This thread reminds me of the early beginnings of the "Big" Z28 thread. Are we really going to start over???
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I predict that the Z-28 will be a turbocharged V6... especially since we've seen how nicely some turbo's would mount up to the new 1 piece head/exhaust manifold.
I predict you are wrong.

see how easy that is? why waist the weight on expensive turbo setup, when either an LS7 or a new GenV V8 will be available? more reliable then a turbo setup and cost more then likely about the same.
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This thread reminds me of the early beginnings of the "Big" Z28 thread. Are we really going to start over???
O' hell no!!
We're getting the ZL1 crowd now.
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I predict you are wrong.

see how easy that is? why waist the weight on expensive turbo setup, when either an LS7 or a new GenV V8 will be available? more reliable then a turbo setup and cost more then likely about the same.
Because the LS7 is going away and the new GenV V8 will be in the SS.
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What "other" GM small blocks could possibly be considered for a Z/28?

While it would be awesome to have a Z/28 with the LS7, I think the LS7 is on it's way out.

Perhaps the Z/28 will be an LS3 Camaro that's been pedderized, with lighter smaller wheels?

Other than GM crate motors, I can't think of any other motor that could possibly be used for a Z/28.

I sure wish Fbodfather would come in here and comment!
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You better check and see what Chevrolet models has a SS emblem.
Regardless of what models have the emblem, they are generally the most HP model for THAT model. Granted, there are several cars who had zero business ever receiving the badging. There are of course exceptions to this statement...but for the most part, it rings true..

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That makes me laugh. maybe in the good ole usa. don't kid yourself. 1/4 mile times are a joke. all they shower is acceleration not what a car is really capable of.

you can keep believing the SS was king. that's ok.
Apparently you can't read, because my statement was only about the 1/4 mile. Outside of the enthusiasts who run a road course, you almost NEVER hear how fast a lap can she put down.... you hear about 1/4 mile times. That was the point of my comment.
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