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Old 10-24-2011, 01:43 AM   #151
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2013 Camaro Z-28
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6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
Z-28 Spec pads & Brake cooling
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Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
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Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:29 AM   #152
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2013 Camaro Z-28
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6.2 LS3 w/ Dry sump (ala Gran Sport)
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Z-28 Spec wheels & tires (20x9.5 / 20x10.5)
Z-28 Spec front splitter & Spoiler
Z-28 Recaro seat option*
Z-28 --Curb Weight / 3690 lbs--

--$42k MSRP--

Who's buying one ?

I would.
Me too - if I don't get the zl1 first.
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The Z-28 IMHO needs to be Chevy's next debut. So much interest has been created in the Camaro product with the advent of the ZL1. There is a customer base wanting a performance vehicle that can't be satisfied. Not many will have their cravings fullfiled. The limited ZL1 supply will provide the stimulus for such a products success. Come on Chevy, fill that gap and bring us the Z-28. Please!
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:24 PM   #155
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^Huh!
I guess you have lots of reading to catch up on in the Z28 section.
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:26 PM   #156
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
Lots of reasons but the main one for me is......... I LOVE THE LOOK OF THE 5TH GEN!
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:27 PM   #157
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
For a 5th gen. Z, and who from GM said it's gonna be lighter?
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Old 10-24-2011, 09:49 PM   #158
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Question, why would anyone want a Z28 built on this platform? Why not wait until the newer, supposedly lighter platform in the next Generation?
Because weight doesn't automatically kill performance. And I don't expect any radical improvements in the weight of the 6th gen.

And I like the 5th gen.

Besides, there can still be a Z28 in the next gen too ... but we want one for this generation.
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Old 10-24-2011, 11:19 PM   #160
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Good luck with that.
Negative Nancy, ........please take the time and read through the Z/28 threads.
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I was all for the ZL1, but honestly, at this point, I am not feeling it.
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Good luck with that.
Thank you. It is such a welcome change to see encouragement on a forum
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Negative Nancy, please take the time and read through the Z/28 threads.
Now now ... perhaps he was being genuine in his well wishes. Give him the benefit of the doubt (it makes threads more entertaining that way)
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:48 AM   #163
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Am I TOTALLY missing something here or have I just been delusional my whole life. I always thought the Hierarchy was as follows:

Base < Z28 < SS < ZL1

After reading this topic everyone seems to think the Z28 is > SS but when has that ever been the case?
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Old 10-25-2011, 11:13 AM   #164
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I just thought of something, maybe GM is waiting on next generation 5 small block V8 introduction, so they can make a Z28 with a 440 or 450 hp Direct injection engine, just a thought.
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Heritage means half a dozen things to 6 different people...

Gen-1:

By '69 (the only year they made the "no one but hard core drag racers want it" ZL1), the SS, Option Code Z27, sold about 34,000 units, with FIVE separate engines available (1-350/4-396s), and as many as SEVEN transmission combos (2-3speeds/2-automatics/3-4speeds, depending on engine chosen). A/C was available on hydraulic-cammed engines (300-325-350hp). ALL things to ALL people...except:

Option Z/28-Special Performance Package was the homologation-for-Trans Am-Series package with ONE engine size backed by one-of-three 4speed transmissions-only, with the best brakes (PFDB required, 4WDB optional), and biggest and only 15 X 7" wheels (non-COPO), and the best suspension ALL as standard or mandatory features. NO slushbox trannies, NO air. NO pretense. NO illusions. NO doubt. Sales, all by its lonesome, equalled roughly 20,000...

THE single most replicated Camaro extant, to this very day...

Gen-2, what SS, after '72? They did away with Z/28 in '75 and 6, but when a performance varient was brought to market in '77, what name was deemed "can't miss"? Uh-huh, Z/28...

Gen-3, what SS? The Z/28 name was so hallowed, the V8 were ALL called Z28, until Chev's relationship with the IROC Series was formalized in a cladding-equipped version...

Gen-4, after SLP's modest sales success with the Firehawk (91-95), and AFTER John Middlebrook left Pontiac for Chevrolet as GM-VP, "we need a Camaro Firehawk"...ergo, SLP's 2-sticker Camaro SS, converted in Montreal by those same Firehawk fans who also built the Gen-4 Firebird RamAir WS6, initially... The basis for the converted SS? Yuuup, the venerable and vaunted Z28.

Gen-5:

Where's the Z/28? MIA...but "stay tuned"...

YOU can assign whatever "position" you like to the missing Z/28. But go to any car show/gathering and count the classic Camaros you see...now, go back and count how many of those wear the "Z/28 badge of honor"...

And your question was...?
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I just thought of something, maybe GM is waiting on next generation 5 small block V8 introduction, so they can make a Z28 with a 440 or 450 hp Direct injection engine, just a thought.
Why bother?! Ya got 426 hp now...and the BOSS has 444 with 200+ fewer pounds. 25 hp won't do it...and fuel economy isn't a factor, yet...

If you compare contemporary tests from '69, BOSS vs. Z/28, they were pretty much evenly matched, depending on carburation and driver. The only reason to bring a Z/28 to market, now/soon, is to at least MATCH but preferably BASH the BOSS...and in a car that weighs 3850 +/-, that'll take the ready-to-go LS7...
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Heritage means half a dozen things to 6 different people...

Gen-1:

By '69 (the only year they made the "no one but hard core drag racers want it" ZL1), the SS, Option Code Z27, sold about 34,000 units, with FIVE separate engines available (1-350/4-396s), and as many as SEVEN transmission combos (2-3speeds/2-automatics/3-4speeds, depending on engine chosen). A/C was available on hydraulic-cammed engines (300-325-350hp). ALL things to ALL people...except:

Option Z/28-Special Performance Package was the homologation-for-Trans Am-Series package with ONE engine size backed by one-of-three 4speed transmissions-only, with the best brakes (PFDB required, 4WDB optional), and biggest and only 15 X 7" wheels (non-COPO), and the best suspension ALL as standard or mandatory features. NO slushbox trannies, NO air. NO pretense. NO illusions. NO doubt.

THE single most replicated Camaro extant, to this very day...

Gen-2, what SS, after '72? They did away with Z/28 in '75 and 6, but when a performance varient was brought to market in '77, what name was deemed "can't miss"? Uh-huh, Z/28...

Gen-3, what SS? The Z/28 name was so hallowed, the V8 were ALL called Z28, until Chev's relationship with the IROC Series was formalized in a cladding-equipped version...

Gen-4, after SLP's modest sales success with the Firehawk (91-95), and AFTER John Middlebrook left Pontiac for Chevrolet as GM-VP, "we need a Camaro Firehawk"...ergo, SLP's 2-sticker Camaro SS, converted in Montreal by those same Firehawk fans who also built the Gen-4 Firebird RamAir WS6, initially... The basis for the converted SS? Yuuup, the venerable and vaunted Z28.

Gen-5:

Where's the Z/28? MIA...but "stay tuned"...

YOU can assign whatever "position" you like to the missing Z/28. But go to any car show/gathering and count the classic Camaros you see...now, go back and count how many of those wear the "Z/28 badge of honor"...

And your question was...?



They glue SS emblems on Trailblazers.
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So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.
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Not at all times, Brian. ONLY in Gen-4, as an answer to the Firehawk, requested by the guy that started SLP down their path: John Middlebrook. A very smart man. The "father" of 0% for 60 months, post-9/11. The man that got folks back into GM showrooms, post-9/11. That John Middlebrook...

Gen-1 (the version the current car dreams of emulating!), the Z/28 was THE street version to have for all-'round usage...PERIOD...unless the Mrs. wanted air and automatic, or you didn't have the talent to "row gears"...or you lived on/at a drag strip...

Again, Brian, Chev made 20,000 '69 Z/28s...and there's about 100,000 out there, today, by badge count...and most "SS" versions out there have Z/28-specific stripes painted on 'em...

What's the overwhelming choice for stripes for current Gen-5 Camaros? "Z/28-style", that's what...even though they're worn by "SS" or, worse yet, "LT" Camaros. You've got 'em on yours...
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They glue SS emblems on Trailblazers.
Who was it that said: "Any Chevy can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z/28."
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It seems to me that mid-season 2013 MY is the time frame that makes sense. 2013 ZL1 Convertible will come out in Augustish, it appears, so Feb 2013 Z/28...stay tuned and hope...LS7...? Perhaps!
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Am I TOTALLY missing something here or have I just been delusional my whole life. I always thought the Hierarchy was as follows:

Base < Z28 < SS < ZL1

After reading this topic everyone seems to think the Z28 is > SS but when has that ever been the case?
Here we go again...
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Anything GM produces with the Z/28 badge attached MUST equal/exceed the BOSS, for it is now the "benchmark" for non-blown nimbleness...just as the BOSS 302, 'way back when, used the Z/28 as its "benchmark".

12.4 quarter-miles, near/equal GT500 lap times (for BOSS), "feel", braking..."heritage"...

That's just the way the motoring press will "match" them...the way the driving enthusiasts will "match" them...and, therefore, the buying public will "match" them...second-by-second, foot-by-foot, grin-by-grin...and dollar-for-dollar...

...and I don't think a tweaked LS3 hauling 3850 +/- will "git 'er done" handily...
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Who was it that said: "Any Chevy can be an SS. Only a Camaro can be a Z/28."
Correct.

Has there ever been an Impala Z/28? A Malibu Z/28? A Cobalt Z/28? Nada...

Silverado Z/28? TrailBlazer Z/28? Hell there was even an S-10 SS...

Z/28? Sumthin' special...just like the Church Lady said...
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So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.
I won't even bother with answering your assumptions, there has been more than enough discussion with more than enough documentation in at least dozens of threads on this site alone. You'll likely find much of the same on any Camaro discussion site. In the first gen. Camaro, if you wanted a quarter mile performer you bought an SS, if you wanted a well rounded corner carver that could still turn respectable 1/4 mile times and showed nothing but tailights to an SS on curves, then you bought a Z/28. So it was buyer's choice, the SS one trick pony or the totally balanced all around performance of the Z/28.
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