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Old 10-25-2011, 08:29 PM   #176
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Anything GM produces with the Z/28 badge attached MUST equal/exceed the BOSS, for it is now the "benchmark" for non-blown nimbleness...just as the BOSS 302, 'way back when, used the Z/28 as its "benchmark".

12.4 quarter-miles, near/equal GT500 lap times (for BOSS), "feel", braking..."heritage"...

That's just the way the motoring press will "match" them...the way the driving enthusiasts will "match" them...and, therefore, the buying public will "match" them...second-by-second, foot-by-foot, grin-by-grin...and dollar-for-dollar...

...and I don't think a tweaked LS3 hauling 3850 +/- will "git 'er done" handily...
It could. The IRS & chassis rigidity that are largely responsible for that extra weight also give the Camaro the potential to handle better, assuming it has the proper suspension package (which the Z28 should have). Combine that with the extra midrange torque of an "LS3+" and the Z28 should have a pretty stout advantage coming out of the corner.

That said ... the same still applies to an LS7 powered Z28, only that car should have an advantage everywhere.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:06 PM   #177
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Thread title says are we giving up on the Z-28? I say a resounding no. I am however giving up on the ZL1 because there are too many games being played. I don't want to be associated with a rat race game of chasing ones tail. I will wait on what I really wanted all along. The Z-28. Woody, count me out. I'm done with you.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:16 PM   #178
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:19 PM   #179
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So all I am gathering is the SS is > Z28 so why would GM make the Z28 better than the SS? When they have produced both vehicles the Camaro SS has always been an upgrade to the Z28.
I think that was only in the 4th Gen, so I was confused at first like you are. A Z28 having everything the zl1 has minus the supercharger would be a great purchase.
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Old 10-25-2011, 10:17 PM   #180
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Thread title says are we giving up on the Z-28? I say a resounding no. I am however giving up on the ZL1 because there are too many games being played. I don't want to be associated with a rat race game of chasing ones tail. I will wait on what I really wanted all along. The Z-28. Woody, count me out. I'm done with you.
OldScool, it's gonna be another rat race once the Z/28 is announced.

Inquiring minds would like to know, who's Woody?
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:12 AM   #181
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Woody...or won't-e...only OldSchool knows fersure!

Stick by our side, folks...and we'll share the "ride", 5-point cinched 'n buckled...
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Old 10-26-2011, 10:52 AM   #182
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Woody...or won't-e...only OldSchool knows fersure!

Stick by our side, folks...and we'll share the "ride", 5-point cinched 'n buckled...
LOL....youse guys are too much...., fershure....!!! . I just sent Carnac to Funk and Wagnel's back porch for the answer...
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Old 10-30-2011, 10:04 AM   #183
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Inside the mayo jar, something was mentioned about the "one Ellie" (whoever she is?) mixed up and stirred with "mo' power"...which apparently is NOT a nod to Chrysler, but refers to an "intoxicating blend of spices, the root cause of palpitations and ungodly desires"...

Them Funk 'n Wagnells is strange folk...
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:32 PM   #184
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I don't think you will see a Z28 Im pretty sure SLP owns the name Z28
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:15 PM   #185
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GM owns the Z28 monikor.
We are licensed to use that logo under the GM license.

I hope they make one.
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:31 PM   #186
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I don't think you will see a Z28 Im pretty sure SLP owns the name Z28
They owned ZL, and I'm not sure what their agreement was with GM regarding the SS moniker they used on their 4th gens, but I have never heard of them owning the name Z28.
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Old 11-09-2011, 05:16 PM   #187
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4th-Gen SSs were a co-operative venture with GM, done on a "2-sticker" basis...which is apparently no longer acceptable... GM "owned" the name; SLP "converted" Z/28s to SS specs under exclusive contract with GM, just as they "converted" Formulas and Trans Ams into "Firehawks" with so-named Firestone tires. And just as they "converted" some Trans Ams into "Comp T/A"s with so-named BFG tires.
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Old 11-09-2011, 07:09 PM   #188
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Old 11-09-2011, 10:02 PM   #189
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Let's not give up, but there will be a long wait. What to do until then? Why tinker with our current Camaros, that is what. The time will go fast.

So many are confused about the relationship of the SS to the Z28. Chevrolet's fault really. Glad to see them back on track naming the top dog Camaro ZL1. It fits.
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Old 11-10-2011, 03:07 AM   #190
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The 1LE SEMA concept is about as close to a Z28 formula as there could feasibly be in the 5th Gen Camaro.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:35 AM   #191
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This, folks, from the heart of the ZL1 Section...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=181043

I wonder how those poll numbers will change after next week's ZL1 price announcement?
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It doesn't work that way, 2012 MY had a slight refresh with the interior and beefier suspension for the SS. Also according to the mods on GMinsidenews the camaro is getting a refresh for the 2014MY. If that is true than no way the 6 gen come out the very next year. Also the Cadillac ATS is going to influence the 6 gen camaro faaaaaar more than the next mustang, let's not forget that it is the camaro that is leading the segment.
You really think the 6th gen will come out that soon? I don't think we will see a 6th gen till 2018ish.

Look at the 4th gen. 93-2002. 9 years with a big revamp half way through. I can definitely see GM doing the same thing.
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The 5th is selling extremely well, why would GM risk changing things before they have to?
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Gen-5 through MY '15...

Expect Gen-6 in showrooms sometime in CY '15 as a MY '16...just in time for when the stricter CAFE edicts come into play.

And what better way to give Gen-5 a send-off than with a year or three of LS7'd Z/28s...
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You really think the 6th gen will come out that soon? I don't think we will see a 6th gen till 2018ish.

Look at the 4th gen. 93-2002. 9 years with a big revamp half way through. I can definitely see GM doing the same thing.
2016 MY is most likely for Gen6

1) The pony cars are going to have to have a global appeal, the new 2015 Mustang will set the pace, so the Camaro will immediately follow to keep pace. Expect a major transition that happened with much success in the Gen1 to Gen2 changes.

2) The Gen5 is too heavy and has too many visibilty issues on an outdated (no more development) platform to last more than a few more years; thus the eternity waiting on the Z/28

3) The slotted Alpha platform (rear drive) for the ATS Cadillac needs a high production partner like the Camaro

4) As Lowdown pointed out you have new CAFE regulations. So why not go to a lighter platform that will complement the newer engines.
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Gen-5 through MY '15...

Expect Gen-6 in showrooms sometime in CY '15 as a MY '16...just in time for when the stricter CAFE edicts come into play.

And what better way to give Gen-5 a send-off than with a year or three of LS7'd Z/28s...


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Ya baby!

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You really think the 6th gen will come out that soon? I don't think we will see a 6th gen till 2018ish.

Look at the 4th gen. 93-2002. 9 years with a big revamp half way through. I can definitely see GM doing the same thing.
The days of GM letting cars languish on for years and years are pretty much gone. Most of their recent vehicles are getting replaced on about a 5 year life cycle.
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The 5th is selling extremely well, why would GM risk changing things before they have to?
Because the continued use of old platforms for cars that are barely competitive was one of the major causes of GM decline throughout the 80's and 90's. In a few years time the Camaro will be up against the next generation Mustang, as well as the new Genesis Coupe, the Subaru BRZ, and the Scion FR-S. When you're behind the competition, you either have to accept a lower sales volume or pay people to buy your car with heavy incentives.
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The days of GM letting cars languish on for years and years are pretty much gone. Most of their recent vehicles are getting replaced on about a 5 year life cycle.
Not to mention, don't forget the cafe standards of 2016!
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Why does it really matter? GM could have easily slapped on the Z28 badge instead of ZL1. In all reality if they would have released a Z28 it would have been the same Zl1 we are getting now.
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