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Old 10-03-2011, 01:08 PM   #15
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You are such a Negative Nancy... Here are Toyota's sales for September...
The Camry and Camry Hybrid led passenger cars with combined monthly sales of 24,851 units. Corolla recorded sales of 16,147 units, and the Prius mid-size gas-electric hybrid reported sales of 9,325 units.

so the 'best selling' car in America is selling less than 3x that of the "stale" Camaro... get real dude... The Camaro is hot, it's a niche market car because it's a coupe and comes with big engines, but the most practical of practical sedans in many people's minds only sold 25k units... The super "wave of the future" Prius didn't even crack 10k....
LOL, you do know that Japan suffered a devastating earthquake last spring that nearly destroyed the sales of every Japanese car made. Japan is just now starting to refill their stock.. For reference on great monthly sales, look at GMs entire lineup and you will see that 15,000-21,000 a month is the benchmark for a strong selling car. 7000 a month for a somewhat still new product is alarming.

Not being negative, just being real.. The wall street journal released a article the other day that had the Mustang as #3 in a list of cars that Americans don't drive anymore. They quoted the Mustang as selling 94,000 cars a year. This number of course is from 2008 but if 94,000 is considered bad after 5 model years (and it is), we have to give a realistic look at where the entire pony car market stands right now. Dodge very well may be discontinuing the Challenger in a few years and Ford has to redesign the Mustang soon or they will not make it very long. Do you know why the Camaro didn't make the list? Nobody was buying them in the first place.

All Chevrolet needs to do is sustain sales for 2 more years until Ford can refresh the market and give them something to go off of. If the Camaro fails, so does the Mustang....

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personally id rather see sales on cars like the camaro low. One thing I love about my G8 (current car, im looking into a new camaro) is the limited production. Hell there are were more camaro's sold in one year then there were G8's in 2.
I agree that there are advantages to owning a rare car, one being your the only one that has one. There are disadvantages as well, as in, the car will no longer be produced and factory support will nearly be non existent. That and the fact that very few aftermarket companies will invest in a car that only a handful of people own. Parts are extremely plentiful on common cars and.. very, very cheap...

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Old 10-03-2011, 01:22 PM   #16
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personally id rather see sales on cars like the camaro low. One thing I love about my G8 (current car, im looking into a new camaro) is the limited production. Hell there are were more camaro's sold in one year then there were G8's in 2.
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Old 10-03-2011, 01:31 PM   #17
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I do think Chevy needs to push the affordability of the basic Camaro a little more. I would love to see more commercials!!

I'm in the middle of a divorce and everyone kept saying my Camaro is a luxury car (stupid arguments!) and I finally sent my attorney some information on the Impala and the Malibu pricing to show her that it's comparable in price and mpg with the same options. I see no reason I should be penalized for picking a beautiful, affordable vehicle!!

Having said that, we're already hearing rumors about the possible scarcity of the ZL1's and there are so many special editions of the current Camaro's it isn't even funny (I'd love to see a list - with pics!), plus the anticipation of a possible Z28 -- I'd say the market for Camaro's is far from over. There will always be people willing to pay for a rolling work of art! Not to mention the work Chevy has put in to make this vehicle track worthy - they are well aware of the market there as well.
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With the terrible sales of the Mustang, I wonder if Ford will discontinue this car.
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Old 10-03-2011, 01:40 PM   #19
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personally id rather see sales on cars like the camaro low. One thing I love about my G8 (current car, im looking into a new camaro) is the limited production. Hell there are were more camaro's sold in one year then there were G8's in 2.
I agree with you, but I think people don't ever want it to disappear again for 8 years!
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Old 10-03-2011, 01:41 PM   #20
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LOL, you do know that Japan suffered a devastating earthquake last spring that nearly destroyed the sales of every Japanese car made. Japan is just now starting to refill their stock.. For reference on great monthly sales, look at GMs entire lineup and you will see that 15,000-21,000 a month is the benchmark for a strong selling car. 7000 a month for a somewhat still new product is alarming.

Not being negative, just being real.. The wall street journal released a article the other day that had the Mustang as #3 in a list of cars that Americans don't drive anymore. They quoted the Mustang as selling 94,000 cars a year. This number of course is from 2008 but if 94,000 is considered bad after 5 model years (and it is), we have to give a realistic look at where the entire pony car market stands right now. Dodge very well may be discontinuing the Challenger in a few years and Ford has to redesign the Mustang soon or they will not make it very long. Do you know why the Camaro didn't make the list? Nobody was buying them in the first place.

All Chevrolet needs to do is sustain sales for 2 more years until Ford can refresh the market and give them something to go off of. If the Camaro fails, so does the Mustang....
Ok, I hear charts work good for people that are bad with grasping the bigger picture... Since the Camaro is not what you'd consider the car that a person is buying for its practical sense, I'd argue that the market with the most cross shopping would be the entry level luxury market as the Camaro is bought for its image and performance and same goes for the luxury brands... There is only one car in all of these brands that sold in higher volume than the Camaro in August...




ok, I was just kidding, that wasn't the best comparison I could come up with.


Strange that the Camaro outsold EVERY car on this chart... The one that probably has the most cross-shopping and is fighting for the same market. It is even more obvious when you compare the Mustang and Challenger to the competition as well... So how dead is the pony car again?
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LOL, you do know that Japan suffered a devastating earthquake last spring that nearly destroyed the sales of every Japanese car made. Japan is just now starting to refill their stock.. For reference on great monthly sales, look at GMs entire lineup and you will see that 15,000-21,000 a month is the benchmark for a strong selling car. 7000 a month for a somewhat still new product is alarming.

Not being negative, just being real.. The wall street journal released a article the other day that had the Mustang as #3 in a list of cars that Americans don't drive anymore. They quoted the Mustang as selling 94,000 cars a year. This number of course is from 2008 but if 94,000 is considered bad after 5 model years (and it is), we have to give a realistic look at where the entire pony car market stands right now. Dodge very well may be discontinuing the Challenger in a few years and Ford has to redesign the Mustang soon or they will not make it very long. Do you know why the Camaro didn't make the list? Nobody was buying them in the first place.

All Chevrolet needs to do is sustain sales for 2 more years until Ford can refresh the market and give them something to go off of. If the Camaro fails, so does the Mustang....
Your argument of how the Camaro doesn't make the list is just unrealistic. If we aren't on the list of cars that aren't driven any more then we aren't in the same area as the mustang, Do you want to know why the mustang isn't popular anymore? There are way too many of them from any generation out there, I mean come on your going to tell me that because GM had a good idea and is trying to keep the prices competitive with ford that they are failing, the economy is failing, it is bound to happen, but just because you have a ford friendly approach doesn't mean your accurate, it just simply means you kiss the leaders ass more then any one.

Competition built America, and will destroy it, you want everything to be fixed? start manufacturing in the U.S it may be more expensive but it wont have lead in it and it wont be foreign profit.

Just one more thing for you too know, Toyota has plants EVERYWHERE, it isn't like all of they cars come from one place in japan.. they are an international country!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ing_facilities
Just look!
They weren't in as much jeopardy as you thought, they may have had a hit but not like they were going to shut down.
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LOL, you do know that Japan suffered a devastating earthquake last spring that nearly destroyed the sales of every Japanese car made. Japan is just now starting to refill their stock.. For reference on great monthly sales, look at GMs entire lineup and you will see that 15,000-21,000 a month is the benchmark for a strong selling car. 7000 a month for a somewhat still new product is alarming.

Not being negative, just being real.. The wall street journal released a article the other day that had the Mustang as #3 in a list of cars that Americans don't drive anymore. They quoted the Mustang as selling 94,000 cars a year. This number of course is from 2008 but if 94,000 is considered bad after 5 model years (and it is), we have to give a realistic look at where the entire pony car market stands right now. Dodge very well may be discontinuing the Challenger in a few years and Ford has to redesign the Mustang soon or they will not make it very long. Do you know why the Camaro didn't make the list? Nobody was buying them in the first place.

All Chevrolet needs to do is sustain sales for 2 more years until Ford can refresh the market and give them something to go off of. If the Camaro fails, so does the Mustang....

I agree that there are advantages to owning a rare car, one being your the only one that has one. There are disadvantages as well, as in, the car will no longer be produced and factory support will nearly be non existent. That and the fact that very few aftermarket companies will invest in a car that only a handful of people own. Parts are extremely plentiful on common cars and.. very, very cheap...
seriously, don't you have something better to do? its like your stealth trolling, everybody knows you hate the 5th gen camaro and think the mustang is god. But at the end of the day the public think otherwise and they show it with there wallets. Also I am unaware of incentives for the camaro, but there are lots of deals to be had for the mustang at my local ford dealer.
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personally id rather see sales on cars like the camaro low. One thing I love about my G8 (current car, im looking into a new camaro) is the limited production. Hell there are were more camaro's sold in one year then there were G8's in 2.
More Camaro sales = more profit = more incentive for GM to continue the nameplate.

G8 was sold under the wrong brand at the wrong time, built in the wrong location, and had little to no marketing, and all of those factors lead to its dismal sales figures.
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More Camaro sales = more profit = more incentive for GM to continue the nameplate.

G8 was sold under the wrong brand at the wrong time, built in the wrong location, and had little to no marketing, and all of those factors lead to its dismal sales figures.

This. If I'd known anything about the G8 I would have gone and snapped one up, but I didn't even hear about them until you couldn't get them anymore. The Camaro is doing absolutely fine. The fact that so many people ARE buying a not-necessarily-practical car in this economy says it all-- the Muscle Car isn't going anywhere. It will never die; it will just continue to evolve.
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LOL! thepill does this every month that the mustang gets beat. Every single month. It's sad and hilarious all at the same time. You've become an absolute parody of yourself on here and I, for one, love it.

Please don't ever stop being sad and pathetic, thePill!!
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Ok, calm down, the charts posted above of near exotic sports coupes are sales based on a very limited production on vehicles that have been out for quite awhile. What I am pointing out is, the 5th Gen (not really in the same class of many those in the chart except Dodge and the Mustang), is being overproduced and a sales rate NOT mirroring production. All of the other manufacturers listed in the chart above limits production within 1-3% of sales (Including Dodge and Ford).. The S197 is pretty much dead, the Challenger is giving it 2 more years and then Dodge refuses to follow Ford. The Camaro has another 5-6 years left on this model.

I loved the charts and enthusiasm, but everybody knew this was coming. Sport coupes in general are going to be an limited and expensive breed and I am having a hard time considering the Camaro as a "sports coupe". If the Camaro came ut in 2006 it would have been incredible and we would have been driving 400+hp pony cars in 2008 but, that didn't happen... The fact is, Chevrolet reentered a dieing market and is currently leading because it is new... Do you think that the 5th Gen Camaro is a better car than all those listed above? We are cheaper and that is really the only thing going for use now...

The 4th Gen Camaro is outselling the 5th Gen, this is fact... I can give you the numbers... 2.5 years in and sales are almost the same as the 8 year old Mustang.... This car should have been selling 14,000-16,000 a month easy...

Does anybody know the original sales projections of the 5th Gen in the first year?
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Ok, calm down, the charts posted above of near exotic sports coupes are sales based on a very limited production on vehicles that have been out for quite awhile. What I am pointing out is, the 5th Gen (not really in the same class of many those in the chart except Dodge and the Mustang), is being overproduced and a sales rate NOT mirroring production. All of the other manufacturers listed in the chart above limits production within 1-3% of sales (Including Dodge and Ford).. The S197 is pretty much dead, the Challenger is giving it 2 more years and then Dodge refuses to follow Ford. The Camaro has another 5-6 years left on this model.

I loved the charts and enthusiasm, but everybody knew this was coming. Sport coupes in general are going to be an limited and expensive breed and I am having a hard time considering the Camaro as a "sports coupe". If the Camaro came ut in 2006 it would have been incredible and we would have been driving 400+hp pony cars in 2008 but, that didn't happen... The fact is, Chevrolet reentered a dieing market and is currently leading because it is new... Do you think that the 5th Gen Camaro is a better car than all those listed above? We are cheaper and that is really the only thing going for use now...

The 4th Gen Camaro is outselling the 5th Gen, this is fact... I can give you the numbers... 2.5 years in and sales are almost the same as the 8 year old Mustang.... This car should have been selling 14,000-16,000 a month easy...
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