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Old 10-08-2011, 04:40 AM   #1
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What's the quickest / fastest stock Camaro ever,...

I'm just curious since there are several gear heads on here. What is the fastest and quickest 100% stock Camaro'(S) ever. Just looking at the HP numbers I would think the current Gen 5 LS3 would be pretty high up on the list, but I do know its pretty heavy,.... therefore i'm not sure where it would wind up on the list.
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I believe a 12.58 1/4 mile. 8:22 on the Nurnbergring. I dont consider the camaro to be heavy. Its only 150-200 lbs from it closest competitors, which is eqivelant to a passanger or a tank of gas. I drove my ex-girlfriends Mercedes S55 AMG. that was a heavy car, and I blew that away with an L99. I believe the Camaro's weakness is its tall gearing, which makes it much harder to get the car moving.
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I was wandering of all the Camaros over the years,... What was the fastest or quickest, or if indeed it is the new 5th Gen Camaros or would an earlier year model be faster.
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Top 10 chart

Here is a list that I came up with after doing a little internet research.

#1 - 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
427 V8, 430hp, 12.76 1/4 mile @ 107mph

#2 - 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
LS1 V8, 310hp, 12.89 1/4 mile @ 109.18mph

#3 - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
6.2 V8, 426hp, 13.0 1/4 mile @ 111.0mph

#4 - 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS
L78 V8, 375hp, 13.0 1/4 mile @ 108.6 mph

#5 - 1997 SLP Camaro SS
LT4 V8, 330hp, 13.20 1/4 mile @ 108.8 mph

#6 - 1996 Chevrolet Camaro SS
LT1 V8 310hp, 13.46 1/4 mile @ 106.48 mph

#7 - 2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS
LS1 V8 325hp, 13.5 1/4 mile @ 107.3 mph

#8 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
302 V8 290hp, 13.75 1/4 mile @ 107 mph

#9 - 2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
LS1 V8 310hp, 13.8 1/4 mile @ 108.5 mph

#10 - 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 V8 305hp, 13.9 1/4 mile @ 102.5 mph


I in now way offer any guarentee that all this data is 100% correct and I felt it would just be a neat top 10 chart. If any are wrong or out of order,.... this is just the best data that I could find on the web. I'm only saying that this should be pretty close, but by no means am I saying it's 100% accurate since everything can change on a given day and I honestly don't know the conditions that these times were obtained in.
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Haha interesting how far V6 have come, a manual 5th gen V6 wouldnt be far off that list.
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To date, the fastest stock Camaro is the current SS followed closely by the original ZL1

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Here is a list that I came up with after doing a little internet research.

#1 - 1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1
427 V8, 430hp, 12.76 1/4 mile @ 107mph

#2 - 1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
LS1 V8, 310hp, 12.89 1/4 mile @ 109.18mph

#3 - 2010 Chevrolet Camaro SS
6.2 V8, 426hp, 13.0 1/4 mile @ 111.0mph

#4 - 1969 Chevrolet Camaro SS
L78 V8, 375hp, 13.0 1/4 mile @ 108.6 mph

#5 - 1997 SLP Camaro SS
LT4 V8, 330hp, 13.20 1/4 mile @ 108.8 mph

#6 - 1996 Chevrolet Camaro SS
LT1 V8 310hp, 13.46 1/4 mile @ 106.48 mph

#7 - 2000 Chevrolet Camaro SS
LS1 V8 325hp, 13.5 1/4 mile @ 107.3 mph

#8 - 1968 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
302 V8 290hp, 13.75 1/4 mile @ 107 mph

#9 - 2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS
LS1 V8 310hp, 13.8 1/4 mile @ 108.5 mph

#10 - 1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
LS1 V8 305hp, 13.9 1/4 mile @ 102.5 mph


I in now way offer any guarentee that all this data is 100% correct and I felt it would just be a neat top 10 chart. If any are wrong or out of order,.... this is just the best data that I could find on the web. I'm only saying that this should be pretty close, but by no means am I saying it's 100% accurate since everything can change on a given day and I honestly don't know the conditions that these times were obtained in.
Its nice to see someone admit out front that their info could be wrong or incomplete. Overall, I'd agree with it although a few things did stand out when I looked at it

That 4th gen in the 12s seems highly suspect to me. Not sure if it was a hero run or not, but if it was I can find a 5th gen that beat it by 3 tenths. Anything that I've seen, the 1st gens were were much slower than you're posting -they had a hard time running the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. Except for the original ZL1 that is, which I think had a stock time claimed to be in the low 13s or perhaps 13 flat. I forget which. I would guess that the '69 SS was "stock" not stock. Back in the day, if you didn't muck around inside the engine, you could still usually claim that you were stock. So you could arguably be using headers, retune the engine, tweak the suspension, put on some drag tires, and still be "stock". Today, we'd generally put a car like that in the bolt-ons or lightly modified category.


One final note ... the hp ratings from the 60's are 100% meaningless if you compare them to todays numbers. It was a different time back then. Automakers would inflate, then under rate their engines making it virtually impossible to know how much power they really made. That all changed when the SAE gross system was replaced with the SAE net rating system. For example, the fabled ZL1 was rumoured to pack over 500 hp, yet was officially rated at 430. That was in the 'anything goes' era of SAE gross. But in the early 70's, it is said to have been re-tested with the new testing procedures, and it came to 375 hp or so. Since then, SAE testing has undergone further revisions and probably became even more conservative (though I don't know this for a fact).
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MM&FF got high 12's out of an LS1 SS in a comparo with a terminator. Those cars are pretty fast, they were impressed!
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To date, the fastest stock Camaro is the current SS followed closely by the original ZL1

Its nice to see someone admit out front that their info could be wrong or incomplete. Overall, I'd agree with it although a few things did stand out when I looked at it

That 4th gen in the 12s seems highly suspect to me. Not sure if it was a hero run or not, but if it was I can find a 5th gen that beat it by 3 tenths. Anything that I've seen, the 1st gens were were much slower than you're posting -they had a hard time running the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. Except for the original ZL1 that is, which I think had a stock time claimed to be in the low 13s or perhaps 13 flat. I forget which. I would guess that the '69 SS was "stock" not stock. Back in the day, if you didn't muck around inside the engine, you could still usually claim that you were stock. So you could arguably be using headers, retune the engine, tweak the suspension, put on some drag tires, and still be "stock". Today, we'd generally put a car like that in the bolt-ons or lightly modified category.


One final note ... the hp ratings from the 60's are 100% meaningless if you compare them to todays numbers. It was a different time back then. Automakers would inflate, then under rate their engines making it virtually impossible to know how much power they really made. That all changed when the SAE gross system was replaced with the SAE net rating system. For example, the fabled ZL1 was rumoured to pack over 500 hp, yet was officially rated at 430. That was in the 'anything goes' era of SAE gross. But in the early 70's, it is said to have been re-tested with the new testing procedures, and it came to 375 hp or so. Since then, SAE testing has undergone further revisions and probably became even more conservative (though I don't know this for a fact).
more than likely that time is true. there have been several LS1 fbodies in the 12's stock.
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To date, the fastest stock Camaro is the current SS followed closely by the original ZL1

Its nice to see someone admit out front that their info could be wrong or incomplete. Overall, I'd agree with it although a few things did stand out when I looked at it

That 4th gen in the 12s seems highly suspect to me. Not sure if it was a hero run or not, but if it was I can find a 5th gen that beat it by 3 tenths. Anything that I've seen, the 1st gens were were much slower than you're posting -they had a hard time running the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. Except for the original ZL1 that is, which I think had a stock time claimed to be in the low 13s or perhaps 13 flat. I forget which. I would guess that the '69 SS was "stock" not stock. Back in the day, if you didn't muck around inside the engine, you could still usually claim that you were stock. So you could arguably be using headers, retune the engine, tweak the suspension, put on some drag tires, and still be "stock". Today, we'd generally put a car like that in the bolt-ons or lightly modified category.


One final note ... the hp ratings from the 60's are 100% meaningless if you compare them to todays numbers. It was a different time back then. Automakers would inflate, then under rate their engines making it virtually impossible to know how much power they really made. That all changed when the SAE gross system was replaced with the SAE net rating system. For example, the fabled ZL1 was rumoured to pack over 500 hp, yet was officially rated at 430. That was in the 'anything goes' era of SAE gross. But in the early 70's, it is said to have been re-tested with the new testing procedures, and it came to 375 hp or so. Since then, SAE testing has undergone further revisions and probably became even more conservative (though I don't know this for a fact).
The 12s quarter in the f-body was run by Evan Smith. It happened, but he's also one of the best, most consistent 1320' drivers around.
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Alright, so it was a hero run. Thats fine, I can accept that. But if that is going to represent 4th gens, lets use the 12.58s pass that NHRA Stocker made for the 5th Gens, instead of the standard 13.0 magazine time.
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The 12s quarter in the f-body was run by Evan Smith. It happened, but he's also one of the best, most consistent 1320' drivers around.
there were a good few stock 4th gens touch 12's back in the day.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

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there were a good few stock 4th gens touch 12's back in the day.
Yes, that specific run was made by Evan Smith though.
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To date, the fastest stock Camaro is the current SS followed closely by the original ZL1

Its nice to see someone admit out front that their info could be wrong or incomplete. Overall, I'd agree with it although a few things did stand out when I looked at it

That 4th gen in the 12s seems highly suspect to me. Not sure if it was a hero run or not, but if it was I can find a 5th gen that beat it by 3 tenths. Anything that I've seen, the 1st gens were were much slower than you're posting -they had a hard time running the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. Except for the original ZL1 that is, which I think had a stock time claimed to be in the low 13s or perhaps 13 flat. I forget which. I would guess that the '69 SS was "stock" not stock. Back in the day, if you didn't muck around inside the engine, you could still usually claim that you were stock. So you could arguably be using headers, retune the engine, tweak the suspension, put on some drag tires, and still be "stock". Today, we'd generally put a car like that in the bolt-ons or lightly modified category.


One final note ... the hp ratings from the 60's are 100% meaningless if you compare them to todays numbers. It was a different time back then. Automakers would inflate, then under rate their engines making it virtually impossible to know how much power they really made. That all changed when the SAE gross system was replaced with the SAE net rating system. For example, the fabled ZL1 was rumoured to pack over 500 hp, yet was officially rated at 430. That was in the 'anything goes' era of SAE gross. But in the early 70's, it is said to have been re-tested with the new testing procedures, and it came to 375 hp or so. Since then, SAE testing has undergone further revisions and probably became even more conservative (though I don't know this for a fact).



There's your "suspect" put to rest...

You gotta remember that firstgens were running on 7" Wide O Polyglass tires.. they were nylon, and absolute garbage.

The fastest Camaro from GM was the 2000 ZL1 with a 572. It ran 9.5 in the 1/4.
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There's your "suspect" put to rest...

You gotta remember that firstgens were running on 7" Wide O Polyglass tires.. they were nylon, and absolute garbage.

The fastest Camaro from GM was the 2000 ZL1 with a 572. It ran 9.5 in the 1/4.
Ah, I remember those days. Being a GM fan my entire driving life, I really loved reading and seeing the dominance of the LSX cars in the late 90's and 2000's. Why did Ford and Dodge have to REALLY get serious? Lol.
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To date, the fastest stock Camaro is the current SS followed closely by the original ZL1

Its nice to see someone admit out front that their info could be wrong or incomplete. Overall, I'd agree with it although a few things did stand out when I looked at it

That 4th gen in the 12s seems highly suspect to me. Not sure if it was a hero run or not, but if it was I can find a 5th gen that beat it by 3 tenths. Anything that I've seen, the 1st gens were were much slower than you're posting -they had a hard time running the 1/4 in less than 14 seconds. Except for the original ZL1 that is, which I think had a stock time claimed to be in the low 13s or perhaps 13 flat. I forget which. I would guess that the '69 SS was "stock" not stock. Back in the day, if you didn't muck around inside the engine, you could still usually claim that you were stock. So you could arguably be using headers, retune the engine, tweak the suspension, put on some drag tires, and still be "stock". Today, we'd generally put a car like that in the bolt-ons or lightly modified category.


One final note ... the hp ratings from the 60's are 100% meaningless if you compare them to todays numbers. It was a different time back then. Automakers would inflate, then under rate their engines making it virtually impossible to know how much power they really made. That all changed when the SAE gross system was replaced with the SAE net rating system. For example, the fabled ZL1 was rumoured to pack over 500 hp, yet was officially rated at 430. That was in the 'anything goes' era of SAE gross. But in the early 70's, it is said to have been re-tested with the new testing procedures, and it came to 375 hp or so. Since then, SAE testing has undergone further revisions and probably became even more conservative (though I don't know this for a fact).
The L88 cast iron block version of the square port headed 427 with 12.5:1 compression, healthy solid lift cam, aluminum intake with an 850 Holley put out over 600 horsepower. Put those parts in a lighter aluminum block and you had a Hemi eater that caused NHRA to ban the engine for stock and super stock classes because the Chrysler guys were so embarrassed.

No computers. Just pure big block, high compression engines turning 7500 RPM.

Did you ever see the "no street driving form" you had to sign before the dealer sold you a ZL1? You had to promise to race it and NOT drive it on the streets. RIIIIIGHT. Tell a 'Nam vet he cannot street drive his new car he bought with his combat pay.
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Ah, I remember those days. Being a GM fan my entire driving life, I really loved reading and seeing the dominance of the LSX cars in the late 90's and 2000's. Why did Ford and Dodge have to REALLY get serious? Lol.
The factories got REALLY serious in the early 60s. Ever heard of the 1962 Pontiac 421 C.I. powered car with the aluminum front end to aid weight transfer?

Wanna talk SERIOUS? NASCAR drivers used to be much more talented in the day. They didn't have wind tunnels, computers, and such. Their BIG BLOCK cars were nearly actually flying. THOSE were drivers.
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Awesome post @2013 RaceRed 5.0! Great old article.

The OG-riginal ZL-1 has a ton of history, well worth the time to read up on.
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You are correct sir.

Not taking anything away from the SS's upgraded LS1's, as they handily took on the Stangs of that day. But bone stock 12's, no ...



As a long time follower of MM&FF, I know that (at the very least) their "stock" runs involve power shifting. And unlike the big 3 journals, they do not normalize times in respect to weather conditions like humidity/temps/altitude etc.

That's why none of them ran 12's with a 4th gen SS. Here's MT's 12/01 test of one:
Believe it or not but yes, there were several bone stock ls1 f bodies in the 12's. Evan Smith did it with 2 completely different Ls1 cars in Mustang comparos for a Mustang magazine no less. It's a Mustang magazine with a die hard Mustang driver. Trust me, those times are legit. Am I surprised MM&FF publicized both articles showing the embarrassment? Yes, but it did happen.

I would think the fastest production Camaro to date would be the the new ZL1 in the high 11's.
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would the Baldwin / Yenko Camaros count? If so why not a COPO or Calloway...

What I think would be a fair, and pretty accurate list would be from a Car & Driver or Motor Trend, they likely run on the same track every time, and same drivers for the most part...same conditions..or whatever GM puts out as their factory specs...
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I think it is funny that people say the current SS and then the 69 ZL1 that ran 12.7. Well in case you hadn't noticed they made the ZL1 again in 2012 and a Gen5 ZL1 has run 11.7 stock. The modern car is heavier but it is the fastest street legal stock Camaro to date..... We probably will get a faster 6th gen though.
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Thank you sir!



I agree, they're totally cool! I have access to the entire "Muscle Car Confidential" book of tests, got it here:

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Sounds right!



No disrespect, but like I said before I'm a long time follower of MM&FF so I know better.

Power shifting and not equalizing times for weather conditions makes a big difference in ET's, and that's exactly what they do. Mid to high 13's for an as delivered 4th Gen Camaro SS, sure. 12's? Nope ...
So are you saying that there were no LS1 F bodies that ran 12's bone stock? because if that's what your saying then I'm going to laugh at you. If your saying negative DA and power shifting times don't count then I'm still going to laugh at you. Not to mention that Evan's Smith's 12.9 run in the SS was in POSITIVE DA. If they had equalized that time for weather conditions then it would have been faster.
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