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Old 10-12-2011, 10:15 AM   #1
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Whats your take on modding for that extra power

What do you guys think it would take to push this beast to 700 hp or just under? I believe it can get very close to that limit with long tube headers, full 3" exhaust cat back, intake, Retune and pulley possible.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:43 AM   #2
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Let's just take an SS... with all my listed mods, I gained around 55 rwhp

Baseline was like 355... now I'm at 410... that's a 15% increase... It "should" be the same here... maybe a hair more so with all that it's mire likely you'll be about 580-600 at the wheels with the pulley... Just cancel out the 15% drive train loss. If you want to talk CRANK hp, youd likely be 670-700 range... so yes if you're talk crank, you'd be right there. You could play with tune a lot and different pulleys. Also a cam and you'd be pushing 800 crank hp easy...

I would do it if I had the bank roll... at the warranty anyhow!
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Old 10-12-2011, 12:29 PM   #3
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thanks for the input
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Old 10-12-2011, 12:46 PM   #4
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Check out Lingenfelter, Katech or Hennessey. They all have packages over 700 crank hp. The motor is still the lsa, so they are basing their packages on the CTS-V, but I believe it will be similar, if not greater, hp gains.
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Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp


700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90


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Old 10-12-2011, 04:32 PM   #6
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OOHH!!! I was wondering how much the forged Shortblock was. I will most likely be going through ADM (since they are 15 minutes down the road), and adding one more item to a very similar setup (obviously if I do it all at once, I won't be getting the supercharger upgrades), a 2.9L Whipple!!
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:41 PM   #7
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OOHH!!! I was wondering how much the forged Shortblock was. I will most likely be going through ADM (since they are 15 minutes down the road), and adding one more item to a very similar setup (obviously if I do it all at once, I won't be getting the supercharger upgrades), a 2.9L Whipple!!
Have you talked warranty with ADM? Just curious what he is offering on something like this.
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There is one more thing i am on the fence about but i may go ahead with for the loss of weight and proven performance now I am not saying GM doesn't have it figured out but Lingenfelter runs this in there black drag car and I think it runs 9's but I am still undecided
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:50 PM   #10
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Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp


700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90




That's a nice big list to be on! Thanks for posting it!

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Old 10-13-2011, 01:21 PM   #11
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There is one more thing i am on the fence about but i may go ahead with for the loss of weight and proven performance now I am not saying GM doesn't have it figured out but Lingenfelter runs this in there black drag car and I think it runs 9's but I am still undecided
Wonder how much weight savings there is compared to the big, cast iron pumpkin we have seen on the ZL1?
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:26 PM   #12
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This is most likely what most people that want a little more power will end up doing.

looks like a good setup.
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Old 10-13-2011, 01:32 PM   #13
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This is most likely what most people that want a little more power will end up doing.

looks like a good setup.

that what i was saying before pulley, cold air, tune and exhaust i believe alot of people will be happy with the outcome!!
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:48 PM   #14
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I've seen pulley kits on CTS-V with H/C push up to an alleged 19 psi on the stock 1900. This car also had an I/C upgrade, along with a lid spacer with all bolt-ons. If I remember correctly, this car was close to 650 at the tires. If you want 700 FWHP, with a 15% drivetrain loss (which I think will be closer to 18% for ZL1 because of the beefy driveline), you're going to be looking at a little more than 600 to the tires. If ZL1's rating doesn't change from 580, it should be around 500 to the tires, stock, so getting another 100 RWHP shouldn't be too bad. A consideration should be where you're coming from.

For me, I have to be as stealthy as possible because of emissions. For me, that means CARB-shorties (maybe...), no CAI (may not be completely necessary anyways, though I'm waiting to see if there's something like a Blackwing tube or something like that), and leaving a lot of the OEM exhaust (I'm planning on leaving pretty much all of the exhaust stock except the mufflers which I'll mod' like the 'Vette guys have been doing with their dual-mode mufflers). That means, I really only have pulleys, tuning, and maybe shorties. Given, a super-sharp eye will see the pulleys, but I think I might make it by with some creativity.

I believe LTs, bigger lower pulley, CAI, tune, and maybe a cam should net you close to 600 RWHP pretty easily. More boost is more heat, so maybe look into either an I/C upgrade, Superchiller, meth', or a combination of those for the 1900. Depending on what I find, I might consider a 2300, too... If you don't have to worry about emissions, it will be a lot easier.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:02 PM   #15
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Quite frankly I've never understood the HP wars and why people want to mod the $hit outta their cars for more power when it's gonna be TRACTION LIMITED anyway? Unless you set it up specifically for racing (slicks, etc.) why bother? I'm sure there's a magic HP # you can have for max acceleration, etc. but finding that # based on the rest of the cars limits is the problem. On the street and even at a trackday the ZL1 bone stock will do just fine IMHO. Even the new GT500 that is supposedly coming with over 600HP stock is expected by many magazine reviews to do about the same straight line times as the current model because of traction issues...
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You guys have some great ideas whether for a TAD more power or MOOCHO.

I, myself, and I, will opt to keep this ZL1 mainly stock. I "might" add a CAI and try to make the engine compartment more attractive, and possibly see about keeping the dual mode exhaust on a switch to keep open at idle if I desire. That's it for me. I will have fun watching you folks with the deeper pockets make your dream come true. For me, My dreams will come true LOVING HER THE WAY I MET HER! LOL
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Quite frankly I've never understood the HP wars and why people want to mod the $hit outta their cars for more power when it's gonna be TRACTION LIMITED anyway? Unless you set it up specifically for racing (slicks, etc.) why bother? I'm sure there's a magic HP # you can have for max acceleration, etc. but finding that # based on the rest of the cars limits is the problem. On the street and even at a trackday the ZL1 bone stock will do just fine IMHO. Even the new GT500 that is supposedly coming with over 600HP stock is expected by many magazine reviews to do about the same straight line times as the current model because of traction issues...
That's fine. However, IMO, your example is less than a good one because it's had those problems from the beginning. While exactly how ZL1 will do without traction aids (PTM, LC, etc.), it's looking promising. It is clearly doing at least a fair job putting it's power down around the 'Ring, and I think it's probably going to at least have a slight advantage (probably even without the electronics) over the GT500. Having said that, I think that it's going to use the power it has more effectively; therefore, adding more power won't be as troubling to the chassis as it's been for the GT500. Ford's going to have to make that car more rounded (which I'm expecting) if they want to remain competitive on all fronts.

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Old 10-13-2011, 04:20 PM   #18
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Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp


700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90



If you are going with a forged bottom end, Lingenfelter will give you a 3yr/36000 mile warranty instead of the 2yr/24000 mile you are showing here. Just saying
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If you are going with a forged bottom end, Lingenfelter will give you a 3yr/36000 mile warranty instead of the 2yr/24000 mile you are showing here. Just saying
thats good to know thank you
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Jeremy, I've heard that you can get just the carbon driveshaft for about 1k.

Whole setup looks sweet, but mucho $$.

I know, pay to play.


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Jeremy, I've heard that you can get just the carbon driveshaft for about 1k.

Whole setup looks sweet, but mucho $$.

I know, pay to play.


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do you think the weight loss and percentage of hp to the ground gained over stock would be worth the cost of this upgrade
money is not an issue for me
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Programmer and pulley, air filter probably all I need.
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Its no different than modding the SS or V6.. there are those who will do it without care to the warranty and those who will leave it as is...

If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)
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Its no different than modding the SS or V6.. there are those who will do it without care to the warranty and those who will leave it as is...

If a person was smart they would leave it be for a while until the bugs have been worked out.... new production car... chances are there will be something to address with the warranty and if you voided it through mods then your SOL.... I'd wait to mod the car personally and see what it can do and take first before touching it... see what problems others have after its been out for a while.. there wil be plenty of reviews and information about issues ( if there are any)
That's sound advice CC. Very well put.
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do you think the weight loss and percentage of hp to the ground gained over stock would be worth the cost of this upgrade
money is not an issue for me

I know that the axles & driveshaft are reciprocating weight, so that will give you about double the effective weight savings benefit. You aren't having to spin that mass up to speed every time you accelerate. That bonus you get will be a reduction in the driveline loss, so basically you're getting free extra torque - always a good thing.

Well, at least mechanically speaking it's free. If money isn't an issue, then carbon is best.

I wonder how much weight savings you'd get with that differential & what the internals are. With Lingenfelter doing it, nothing short of bulletproof.

I guess your decision on the differential should be based on how far into the stratosphere you plan to mod. The stock differential is probably good for anything up to a sub-orbital flight, but weight savings are always good if you have the Benjamins for it.


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