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Old 10-13-2011, 09:59 PM   #1
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Pfadt vs. Pedders XA coilovers

I'm considering going with coilovers to improve my ride and lower the car. Does anyone know the pros and cons with Pfadt and the Pedders XA coilovers. The Pfadts are about $500 more, so I'm wondering if that is because those are closer to a racing coilover while the Pedders are just a street version. I know Pedders make a more expensive version that combined with some of their other suspension parts claim to rival a Z06.

My goal is better street performance and I would like to get into AutoX.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:04 PM   #2
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They are both great and both of the companies are top notch. I went with the pfadts this time around. good luck on your choice....they havent been install yet. Time will tell how they perform for me in these ugly streets.
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:18 PM   #3
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Ive had my Xa's on the track, and they do awesome. I am VERY happy with them. Pete and his team of dealers have AMAZING customer service.

Met Aaron Pfadt down at Cfest2 and he is a really cool guy, who knows his stuff also. Havent had a chance to ride in a Pfadt equipped car.

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Old 10-13-2011, 10:54 PM   #4
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It's like Coke and Pepsi. Everyone has their favorite. Both are stellar companies. I went with Pedders on my current car...
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:57 PM   #5
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I love my XAs. I have done two autocross events on them and being able to adjust them right b4 and after is awesome. I don't have to ride around town with it set with a stiff track setting.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:26 PM   #6
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:58 AM   #7
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It's like Coke and Pepsi. Everyone has their favorite. Both are stellar companies. I went with Pedders on my current car...
We have the Pedders on our shop car and have been very happy with them. We keep them in stock if you decide you would like a set or have any questions fell free to ask.Here is a picture of each Pfadt drop springs are on the red car and Pedders XA coil overs on the white one.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:37 AM   #8
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the reason i feel pedders is better is because of the way you adjust the ride hight and that is through the clevis and not the spring. on the pedders the spring gets preloaded and stays consistant no matter how much you lower it and you adjust the high by moving the entire coil over body up and down not touching the spring
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:43 AM   #9
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My car rides on Pfadt. I love em.

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I'm considering going with coilovers to improve my ride and lower the car. Does anyone know the pros and cons with Pfadt and the Pedders XA coilovers. The Pfadts are about $500 more, so I'm wondering if that is because those are closer to a racing coilover while the Pedders are just a street version. I know Pedders make a more expensive version that combined with some of their other suspension parts claim to rival a Z06.

My goal is better street performance and I would like to get into AutoX.

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The BC Racing coilovers will give you exactly what you're looking for, for a fraction of the price.

There are many members here who have the BCR coilovers and absolutely LOVE them, myself included.

Here's a link to our install thread where a lot of questions can be answered.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...t=truth+Racing
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:56 PM   #11
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I'm considering going with coilovers to improve my ride and lower the car. Does anyone know the pros and cons with Pfadt and the Pedders XA coilovers. The Pfadts are about $500 more, so I'm wondering if that is because those are closer to a racing coilover while the Pedders are just a street version. I know Pedders make a more expensive version that combined with some of their other suspension parts claim to rival a Z06.

My goal is better street performance and I would like to get into AutoX.

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Hey Bannonm, good question. Our street coilovers aren't specifically intended for race use, they are a package developed for the street that also works very well on track. Whether you're drag racing, street driving or road racing the damping rates we build into all of our street coilovers offer a broad range of adjustment to handle everything you would want to do with your Camaro.

Our coilovers offer:
  • Great street manners
  • Unmatched durability as verified with in house extreme durability testing.
  • Proven race results
  • Custom Camaro specific mounting and damping developed by Pfadt Engineers

Our coilovers are priced the way they are for multiple reasons. Most of which can be boiled down to quality and attention to detail. Every coilover system we sell is designed specifically for the chassis for which it's sold. That means even though we manufacture Corvette and Camaro coilovers there is no part sharing between the two. We strongly believe in looking at the cars we are manufacturing parts for and building custom pieces that will bring each car to it's full potential. We also do not sell our designs to other brands, a process called private labeling. The only way to get a Pfadt Camaro coilover is to purchase a Pfadt Camaro coilover.

Check out this video we took during coilover development. If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask!


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Old 10-16-2011, 09:22 AM   #12
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I have the Pfadt coil overs and couldn't be happier with them or the company. They're grrreeeaaat.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:39 PM   #13
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I'm considering going with coilovers to improve my ride and lower the car. Does anyone know the pros and cons with Pfadt and the Pedders XA coilovers. The Pfadts are about $500 more, so I'm wondering if that is because those are closer to a racing coilover while the Pedders are just a street version. I know Pedders make a more expensive version that combined with some of their other suspension parts claim to rival a Z06.

My goal is better street performance and I would like to get into AutoX.

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I could have went with Pfadt or Pedders with the dealer I went through. But as stated earlier, the Pedders Xa's height adjustment is not dependent on Spring load. The Pedders has more adjustments which gives you a better fine tune adjustment ability.... Also the pedders coil overs can easily swap out springs for a different spring rate.

I started with just Pedders drop springs and did a track day (road course) with them last year. Ride was a little harsher than stock. This year I went with the XA's and did another track day with them. Ride is amazing smooth with the coil overs, and it corners like it is on rails.

I would suggest the Pedders XA if you have no intention of competing on a regular basis in autocross. If you are, then then the SuperCar Coil Overs (Pedders).
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Old 10-17-2011, 03:53 PM   #14
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As has been brought up, another thing to keep in mind when looking at coilovers is the ability to swap out springs if necessary. By designing a system with springs that can be swapped out it ensures that should you decide to take your street Camaro and turn it into a more aggressive machine, we can send you out replacement springs for a nominal cost.

Our coilovers were designed around standard motorsports dimension springs, and as such we can customize a spring rate for what you're doing with your Camaro. For example if you really get into drag racing we can source a longer and softer front spring for lift, or if you're adding aero pieces for track use we can get you higher spring rate springs to get the most out of your aero package on track.
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Old 10-19-2011, 03:51 PM   #15
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I'm considering going with coilovers to improve my ride and lower the car. Does anyone know the pros and cons with Pfadt and the Pedders XA coilovers. The Pfadts are about $500 more, so I'm wondering if that is because those are closer to a racing coilover while the Pedders are just a street version. I know Pedders make a more expensive version that combined with some of their other suspension parts claim to rival a Z06.

My goal is better street performance and I would like to get into AutoX.

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The key to your situation is understanding what components are required to compliment coilover purchase. It starts with a strong understanding of the 5th Gen chassis. The Book on 5th Gen Suspension is the place to start for information and the foundational components are Sub-frame and radius bushes. No matter what brand of coilover you choose it is impossible to get optimal performance without addressing the foundation. With a solid foundation and coilovers in place your next step will be sway bars and endlinks. At first glance, Pedders sway bars appear to be expensive. Pedders sway bars and endlinks are packaged together delivering great value.

Great value is the Pedders equation for success and it all starts with customer service from expert Dealers like Bruce Raymond. Bruce is an alignment and suspension specialist as well as a 5th Gen owner and supports his clients like family. Bruce is an extension of Pedders package philosophy. In your case a Street Xa or a Pace Car Package deliver an outstanding driving experience.

The Street Xa includes Xa coilovers, sub-frame and radius bush inserts and Pedders extended range alignment bolts. The only item missing would be a sway bar package.

The Pace Car Package includes Xa coilovers, sub-frame and radius bush inserts, adjustable front and rear sway bars and high efficiency endlinks. These are the same parts you have seen on the 2010 and 2011 Camaro Pace Cars on track at INDY and NASCAR. The alignments were tweaked for ovals so GM did not use Pedders extended range alignment bolts. How do I know? I was privileged to help bolt them on at the proving Grounds

Ask Bruce or Joe to give you a call so you can discuss you specif needs in detail. They are a wealth of professional knowledge, 5th Gen owners and I am very proud to have them as Pedders Dealers.

As for product performance two of our best customers are GM and Lingenfelter. LPE was running brand-x coilovers when they decided to try Pedders. Off the shelf Pedders Supercars controlled the ridiculous power they put down hitting the 8s. The independent bound and rebound Supercars and wide variety of coil choices it was a straight forward project. Then again, they are LPE so a tweak here and there couldn't hurt



The latest from LPE and Pedders is the L/28. I consider it the ULTIMATE Pedders Package.

Lingenfelter L/28 Camaro



We wanted this to be a full amenity daily driver with a bad attitude on a road course. We think we have it covered from the normally aspirated N/A LS7 to the Pedders Supercars and everything in between.

Lingenfelter L/28 Camaro

• LPE LS7 Engine, 681HP @ 6700 RPM / 588 LB/FT @5600
• LPE Dry Sump Oiling System
• Tremec 6060 6 Speed Manual Transmission
• LPE Dual Disc Clutch and Flywheel
• LPE Clutch Return Spring Kit
• MTI Short Throw Shifter
• LPE Leather Shift Knob
• LPE 9.5” Differential, 373 Ratio with no preload TracRiteฎ GT – Helical Gear Limited Slip
• Driveshaft Shop HD 1400HP Axle Shafts
• LPE HD 2 Piece Driveshaft
• LPE Twin Fuel Pump Module with Electronic Control
• LPE Power Steering Cooler
• Be Cool Radiator
• American Racing Headers
• Custom Side Exit Exhaust with Magnaflow Mufflers
• LPE / Pedders SportsRyder Supercar Coil-over Suspension System, Sway Bars, Complete Bushing Package
• Brembo Brake System. Front 15” 2 Piece Rotor with 6 Piston Caliper, Rear 14” 2 Piece Rotor with 4 Piston caliper
• Forgeline Wheels, 20”X10.5”
• Michelin Tires, 305/35ZR20
• Lingenfelter Signature Body Kit, including front splitter, side skirts, rear diffuser, and rear spoiler
• Specter Werkes Extractor Hood
• Lingenfelter L/28 Graphics
• RPM Six Point Roll Bar
• Corbeau TRS Leather Seats and 5 Point Belts
• Lingenfelter CNC Pedal Pads

LPE is a Pedders Dealer and a valued Pedders Customer. The parts you see LPE run are no different than the Pedders parts GM runs. They buy them and that speaks volumes about Pedders products. Pedders Dealers all have grease under their nails. They install what they sell and provide incredible customer service. Customer service may be the most important component of a Camaro owner's buying decision.

Are we as fast as a Z06 on a road course with the Pedders USA Camaro? The answer would be yes. Why are we so confident? Our test driver ran the fastest lap at Gingerman for a T2 Vette in race and in practice. Between his Corvette database and Pedders Camaro we were able to verify lap times with the same driver behind the wheel. BTW, aside from being a Corvette race car owner / race car consultant he holds a day job at GM

What's next for Pedders...



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The key to your situation is understanding what components are required to compliment coilover purchase. It starts with a strong understanding of the 5th Gen chassis. The Book on 5th Gen Suspension is the place to start for information and the foundational components are Sub-frame and radius bushes. No matter what brand of coilover you choose it is impossible to get optimal performance without addressing the foundation. With a solid foundation and coilovers in place your next step will be sway bars and endlinks. At first glance, Pedders sway bars appear to be expensive. Pedders sway bars and endlinks are packaged together delivering great value.

In your case a Street Xa or a Pace Car Package deliver an outstanding driving experience.

The Street Xa includes Xa coilovers, sub-frame and radius bush inserts and Pedders extended range alignment bolts. The only item missing would be a sway bar package.

The Pace Car Package includes Xa coilovers, sub-frame and radius bush inserts, adjustable front and rear sway bars and high efficiency endlinks. These are the same parts you have seen on the 2010 and 2011 Camaro Pace Cars on track at INDY and NASCAR. The alignments were tweaked for ovals so GM did not use Pedders extended range alignment bolts. How do I know? I was privileged to help bolt them on at the proving Grounds
I can vouch for this. I just installed the Pace car kit and a few other things. Works great and feels great.
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Old 10-19-2011, 08:45 PM   #17
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We ran the Silver State Classic in Nevada last year with a Pedders track 2 kit on our shop car and it was Awsome.The Pedders pace car kit is as much as most want or need but the parts that go with the coil overs are the key to a well balanced car as Pete said above.It all depends on how far you want to take your car.Most of the cars we see are daily drivers with some track events during the year,and the Pedders Pace car kit fills that need very well.
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