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Old 10-15-2011, 11:12 AM   #1
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It's a labor of love; 91 Camaro RS, B4C

I've searched and searched. Could only find T-top model 3rd Gen Camaros. Without even looking for one, I passed this baby at a Mom and Pop repair shop and had to make a U-turn.

Took it for a spin and it begun the dreaded idle surge and wanting to die. Then came a lot of research. I wanted one in the 90s, but it was more of a fleeting dream that just now came true.

A big thanks to Jrhaus (IROCanSS) for pointing me in the right direction and through PM guiding me around this car. John for pointing out vacuum leaks via text messages. Chris for a spoiler that, had I dropped the cash for the blade spoiler like he got, if he hadn't offered up, would have shorted me some needed cash. Camaro 5 for being here and the members that make up a great site and will go out of their way to help another. Awesome folks. I'll throw a thanks to to 3rdgen.org (hope that's okay) because there is SO MUCH information over there it's overwhelming!

Great news is a new motor 305 TPI went in in 2005 and I have the shop receipts and breakdown of parts. There are just over 12000 miles put on the car since that rebuild. 138,### on the car now. The owner's son wanted a hotrod then his focus changed. Lucky for me

It's going to be a long road to get this car back to pristine. However, everything on it is stock except the steering wheel. No dents or dings, but there are some (okay more than some) paint chips and the front fascia looks like a blind person drove it. Interior is otherwise all stock. Door panels are in great shape with no tears. No tears in the seats.

Some fuel injector cleaner, fuel filter, 93 octane, rotor, ignition control module (thanks JR), plugs, clean distributor top, dilectic grease, adjust TPS (thanks John), and double checking vacuum lines...... It runs like a champ!

Been reading about Spohn K members and LS# swaps so who knows.....

This car will be for my youngest son, Sean.

Anywho, the pics. I'll get some more up in time. Right now I'm just cleaning out years of leaves in the car. Those things go everywhere.

16 Apr 12 - New tires (Falken OEM size), O2 sensor replaced, serpentine belt replaced

20 Apr 12 - replaced shocks/struts, replaced endlinks

11 Aug 12 - replaced coolant temp sensor, fixed windshield washers (clogged), replaced starter. Fixed Air intake (cracked/leaked). Noted problem with the negative battery cable. Diagnosed by Matt - faulty contact. Purchased coolant temp switch.

13 Aug 12 - purchasaed side post neg battery cable, windshield wipers; wipers installed.

19 Aug 12 - replaced neg battery cable. Refastened front splitter/fascia on passenger side. Got a bath (the car)

Upcoming: Tuning/Diagnostic by Matt, oil pressure sending unit, remove AIR pieces (?),
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Old 10-15-2011, 12:22 PM   #2
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Nice car bro...I have a 92 RS Convertible also. I need to get this car running again, I love it but the new one has been hogging up all the driving time.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:25 PM   #3
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Nice car bro...I have a 92 RS Convertible also. I need to get this car running again, I love it but the new one has been hogging up all the driving time.
Thanks! It brings a smile to my face. My son loves it.

I'm thinking I need to replace my vehicle speed sensor. Had to get the gps out and validate my speedometer. 50 on the speedometer is actually 40 and 70 on the speedometer is actually 55. So I don't know if they are adjustable or if in history someone swapped out the rear end gears. Anyway, it's way off!

I do know that the low end torque in these things take some getting used to. Posi rear end and a low speed turn from a stop sign equals some wheel spin. Like everyone says though, this car seems to stop pulling at around 4500 rpm. 3000-3500 rpm shifts feel good though.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:30 PM   #4
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Awesome. My very first car was a candy Apple red 91 rs with matching rims, ttops and red interior. I loved that car.

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Old 10-16-2011, 02:36 PM   #5
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Old 10-16-2011, 11:38 PM   #6
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Looks pretty sweet my man. I like it alot. The motor looks pretty clean and the white is nice.
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Old 10-17-2011, 06:27 AM   #7
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Thanks guys.

Noticed in the trunk area that a previous owner had made a cut in the sheet metal just above the fuel pump area on the tanks. The sheet metal is screwed down now and makes easy access to the pump. From what I've read I WILL be changing a few fuel pumps down the road!
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Old 10-17-2011, 10:21 AM   #8
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Glad you got it running smoothly now. Car looks to be in pretty good shape considering the age of it, with the help of Sean I am sure you two can make it a dream of a ride. This is simply awesome.

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An RS with a TPI motor? Sweet!
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Old 10-17-2011, 12:06 PM   #10
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Glad you got it running smoothly now. Car looks to be in pretty good shape considering the age of it, with the help of Sean I am sure you two can make it a dream of a ride. This is simply awesome.

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An RS with a TPI motor? Sweet!
I know, right? The RPO codes show LB9 which is the TPI 305. The odd part is that's always under the Z28. The RS for that year shows TBI. So at autozone to get parts to come up for TPI instead of throttle body injection, I had to search under Z28.

So it's a non-badged Z28 sleeping under an RS
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Old 10-17-2011, 04:22 PM   #11
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An RS with a TPI motor? Sweet!

It's always awesome when someone thinks TPI is still cool. When I go to car meets sometimes I get ALOT of guys checking out my engine bay and car and they usually have no clue what TPI is. Only Fbody guy's do usually.
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:38 AM   #12
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Started color sanding the front end last night. Got a good start on it. The fascia is the worst area on the car, the rest will be touch up work.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:59 AM   #13
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You will get it done I am sure.......
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Old 10-19-2011, 06:07 AM   #14
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WELL, WELL, WELL!!!

This seems to answer some questions. I've got a B4C! It's 1 of 592 built in '91. The VINs match, I double checked.
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B4C? Dang man. You are rockin' with that ride. Keep it for sure dude. Maybe put a fake red and white strobe light on it too, lol.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:53 AM   #16
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NICE!!!

Damn I love 3rd gens... The first camaro I drove was a 3rd gen... it was my Mother's. After I joined the Navy they were going to give it to me but it was Tboned...

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I'd love to get a project like this going.. My kids are still a bit too you but someday..

Very cool about the B4C... Nice Find Norm!!!

And you are very welcome for the spoiler. No problem at all. Just make sure I get one of the beers from your new cooler at the fest
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I was JUST going to type to ask you to see the SPID code...I wanted to find that B4C...AWESOME... so, you DO have a Z28 in RS Clothes. Totally awesome to find.

I found one local...not a B4C but an '89 ragtop RS. Needs a motor. $1,000. obo hmmmmm.
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NICE!!!

Damn I love 3rd gens... The first camaro I drove was a 3rd gen... it was my Mother's. After I joined the Navy they were going to give it to me but it was Tboned...

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I'd love to get a project like this going.. My kids are still a bit too you but someday..

Very cool about the B4C... Nice Find Norm!!!

And you are very welcome for the spoiler. No problem at all. Just make sure I get one of the beers from your new cooler at the fest
Abso-freakin-lutely! That pic made me cringe

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I was JUST going to type to ask you to see the SPID code...I wanted to find that B4C...AWESOME... so, you DO have a Z28 in RS Clothes. Totally awesome to find.

I found one local...not a B4C but an '89 ragtop RS. Needs a motor. $1,000. obo hmmmmm.
Yeah, pretty much a Z28 clothed as a RS. The tranny back to the rear axle (3.42) is all Z28.

You should have seen when I was writing the codes! I just kinda stopped when I saw B4C and did one of these; hahahhahha Then I just had to snap the pic. Still decifering all of them

And the codes on there even have front license plate bracket, which is on the car. It's even stamped Z-28. I was going to take it off as well, but not now.
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B4C, nice, I love the 3rd gens, I have my 502 big block IROC, good luck and definitely keep updating with pictures.
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I was JUST going to type to ask you to see the SPID code...I wanted to find that B4C...AWESOME... so, you DO have a Z28 in RS Clothes. Totally awesome to find.

I found one local...not a B4C but an '89 ragtop RS. Needs a motor. $1,000. obo hmmmmm.
Well I've written to BlueZee28 to see if he has a consolidated list of parts and vendors for the LS# swaps he's done. I think he's done about 10. I'm looking now for another (without unique B4C) to maybe do a swap.

If it's a roller and the chassis is straight, check the floor pans. If that top is damaged and the car isn't sheltered.....well floorpans will tell the tale. I would price a replacement top before you get it.
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B4C, nice, I love the 3rd gens, I have my 502 big block IROC, good luck and definitely keep updating with pictures.
Last night I sanded down the front fascia and got some flexible part body filler. It didn't come out very well More sanding tonight, lol

We had some crazy idears for this car, but once I found the B4C code, that changed. Now I gotta find a stock steering wheel and this thing will be 100% stock. Hell, we were gonna yank the AIR components off of it, but now I'm leaning to just leaving it all intact.

The car was in Oregan, now I'm trying to find out if it was ever in service.
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nice! it was my mom's 84Z that got me loving camaros!
i almost bought a 92 in college but couldn't give up the truck
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garc... let me know if/when you decide to do an LS swap...
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Will do! Don't know if it will be this one or not. My son's called dibs on it.
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Hey man!!! That is AWESOME that you have a B4C!! And thanks for the tip of the hat!! If you ever need anything, let me know.

What a find!!!

I can't offer much help on the wheel as mine is the non-airbag wheel but I needed a new one... When I got the car back in 2008, the only non-OEM thing was the steering wheel and radio. The original radio was included and WORKING so that went back in but no OEM wheel....



I hated it, plus I wanted it back to original. To buy a good leather wheel was very expensive without a core so I went on eBay and got the junkiest 3 spoke wheel I could find. Ordered a new one... can't reacall from where, sorry :( but just do a search... and then sent the crappy one back as a core. Very happy with it. They may have the 90-92 wheel somewhere.



MUCH BETTER



As far as the speedo... mine bounces in a 20 mph swing... so I just split the difference I figure when its bouncing 40-60 I am about 50...
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