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Old 10-17-2011, 10:26 PM   #76
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I didn't read through all of this thread......

Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(

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Thanks Jay, you never disapoint.

You got to figure GM knows people can build their own. Most of the upgrades they are putting on the ZL1 can be easily picked up and put on any Camaro. I think they will stay within reason. All I want is that hood!!!

Loaded SS $40,000 Define "loaded"...2SS RS Hurst & polished wheels is $38500
Super Charger $7000 A better number would be the difference between the LSA and LS3...
Wheels and brakes $4000
Exhaust $1000
Suspension $2000The shocks are replaced with MR equipment (covered below), and the springs/sways shouldn't cost much more to make...they've just been reconfigured. What exactly costs two grand here?
Ride control $2000
Ext mods $1000
Int mods $1000
Just because they can $2000
New ZL1 $60,000 My eduemecated guess.
...If I may....


Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000

Figure on a few things to back that up,

The automatic transmission (a good 1200 dollar option, is no-cost on a CTS-V, so that charge is buried in there somewhere...The GT500 Mustang with the SVT performance package is right around $54,000 dollars, and if history repeats itself...the Camaro team likes to offer more standard features than Ford at a comparable price as their optioned-up vehicles.

When a manufacturer builds things...they don't build ala carte like you or I would from the aftermarket...for everything they upgrade...the cost of the inferior, removed equipment is subtracted, so you only ever have a net cost increase (even when considering profit...)...for example...the Eagle F1 tires are not $1700 extra compared to an SS (using retail prices)...they'd be $800 more because you need to subtract the now-removed $900 Pirellis...

Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
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Thank you Dragoneye, a very well thought out and logical post.

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anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
Dear chevy,
Time to cancel the 53 members from the ordering list. Can't have it...
LOL... too expensive...
and then...you did WHAT with my deposit???


Its about time we can laugh at these outrageous price speculations...

I am just going to believe the opposite of the price speculation and be done with it.
If this car is 75k ill be the first to eat crow and buy a Grand Sport...
and I don't even care for buying my first vette...
whhheeehhhhhh...
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good analysis.

[QUOTE=[B]Dragoneye[/B];3896448]Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(
...If I may....
Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000


Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...[/QUOTE]
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Old 10-17-2011, 11:05 PM   #80
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Loved the Leno ZL1 clip. Good to see an effective ZL1 burnout (launch control off). I'm with Fishersmoke's estimate of $60K base price per copy. I still like my 1SS at half the price. For me the SS hits the sweetspot of performance and value. ZL1 is an amazing big brother to the SS for sure. So when will we see the Z28 and what will be the price point? Anyone want to take a guess at the Z28 base price?
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I didn't read through all of this thread......

Are we getting hung up on this 75k statement? Please tell me "no"....:(



...If I may....


Cadillac CTS sport Coupe (3.6L, RWD): $39590
Chevy Camaro Coupe 2LT:.................$29250

Difference: $10,340...this is how much you're paying for the "Cadillac version" of an otherwise very similar vehicle...

Now...

Caddy CTS-V Coupe: $64090
$64090 - $10,340 = $53,750
This poster's estimated MSRP of new ZL1: $54,000

Figure on a few things to back that up,

The automatic transmission (a good 1200 dollar option, is no-cost on a CTS-V, so that charge is buried in there somewhere...The GT500 Mustang with the SVT performance package is right around $54,000 dollars, and if history repeats itself...the Camaro team likes to offer more standard features than Ford at a comparable price as their optioned-up vehicles.

When a manufacturer builds things...they don't build ala carte like you or I would from the aftermarket...for everything they upgrade...the cost of the inferior, removed equipment is subtracted, so you only ever have a net cost increase (even when considering profit...)...for example...the Eagle F1 tires are not $1700 extra compared to an SS (using retail prices)...they'd be $800 more because you need to subtract the now-removed $900 Pirellis...

Also...at 60,000 starting price (that's what I'm assuming we're all talking about here)...you're well over a Grand Sport Corvette with options...within spitting distance of the MUCH more luxurious CTS-V...and awful close to countless other perceived "very fast cars" out there...and I don't know the last time a manufacturer-sanctioned Nurburgring lap time became a value-added selling point, because as much as I love the ZL1...that's all it's really got over the CTS-V...

In short...I simply don't believe it'll start at 60k. Is the performance package worth it? YES! It'd be worth it at $100,000...but it's not a BMW, or an Audi, or a Porsche, or a whatever...They've put way too much development work into this car (imvho) to waste their time and trying to sell it at a higher-than-necessary price.

But maybe I'm wrong...maybe Chevy doesn't stand for value anymore...perhaps we're all going to be told "you can't have it" when we see the MSRP...
Very well put!
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Nice job of making an "educated guess" at the MSRP dragoneye. Ur guess reflects intelligence...unlike most of the speculators out there just throwing out numbers. I for one am 100% confident and willing to bet everything I own that the ZL1 will have a base price under $60k for the simple fact of competition. The ZL1 is going after th the GT500's throat. Makes no sense to price yourself far from your direct competition. That is the key point people need to remember. The 2nd key point is the simple fact of performance and the cts-v offers very similar performance with much more luxury and at $64k chevy will want to stay away from that market line and not cannibalize itself (so to speak) at the end it's still GM. Look at the price gap between the mustang gt and gt500 or eveb better the boss 302 and the gt500 (both are track beasts) and you can see they are priced within $10k. So if chevy does make a z28 aimed at the boss 302 they need to be able to price it in the $45k base range to be competitive...everything should fall in line as ford and chevy battle put their muscle car supremacy to the end
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With Jay Leno doing the talking - he can really sell this car! Plus, love him driving it too at the end of the video. Nice. I have to see what it looks like and sounds like in person and then decide if I want one. I still do not like the stacked hood vents! Hopefully, the scoop hood will be an optional alternative.
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I still think it's a subtle hint that this car is by No Means going to be Cheap and it is No Way going to start @ $48,000 MSRP... I do think the $75,000 statement is probably Overkill but I do believe this car will run about $60,000... I would like to be wrong but who knows...


Maybe not a Starting MSRP of $75,000 but if you have a starting MSRP of about $55,000 and have numerous "options", that I'm sure GM will offer on the ZL1 and if you choose a well optioned ZL1, I could see this car running close to that.. Doesn't Chevy/GM have a few wheel options for the 2011 Camaro that price out at about $5,000 ???
Please go do your homework before you start making statements that are baseless...this is the second time that you declared something that is pure . Sorry, I had to raise the flag on this guy.
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I have to disagree. We know GM's profit margin is higher on the SS models over the V6. Why? Because the majority of the Camaro is the same. The difference is the SS has 2 more cylinders, and a beefier drive train and suspension. Remember GM rolls a Camaro out the door for sale starting at 23K. You think GM's cost is way higher making a A-arm for a V8 than a V6? Probably very little. The technology in the ZL1 was borrowed from other GM cars already on the road...drive train from Cadillac and suspension tech from the Vette. Obviously things were tweaked and tuned specifically for the ZL1, but its not like it has the newest gen tech. But I am fine with that. I expect the Cadillac's and Corvette's to have the newest and hottest. That is part of the price tag. I bet the ZL1 could start at $51-52k, and GM could still make a great margin on it.

I'm not trying to knock what GM is done at all...but this close to Christmas, everyone is getting quite giddy it seems. I will be in line for a ZL1 if the price is what I consider reasonable.
EXACTLY...could not have stated it better myself!
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Loved the Leno ZL1 clip. Good to see an effective ZL1 burnout (launch control off). I'm with Fishersmoke's estimate of $60K base price per copy. I still like my 1SS at half the price. For me the SS hits the sweetspot of performance and value. ZL1 is an amazing big brother to the SS for sure. So when will we see the Z28 and what will be the price point? Anyone want to take a guess at the Z28 base price?
I agree...awesome on the , and I think the president didn't have a choice but to when Jay did that one on camera...couldn't ask for better PR...its already shared on my FB. As for the guessing on the Z28...perhaps another thread to start on that one but I would put it right around a base price of 42k before any options, gas guzzler tax, auto, etc. I posted that on another thread somewhere about perhaps a limited run of Z28 with a LS7 before the platform change in 2015. This way a new platform for the camaro and a new engine we have yet to see for the camaro overall. Would be nice wouldn't it!
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. As for the guessing on the Z28...perhaps another thread to start on that one but I would put it right around a base price of 42k before any options, gas guzzler tax, auto, etc. I posted that on another thread somewhere about perhaps a limited run of Z28 with a LS7 before the platform change in 2015. This way a new platform for the camaro and a new engine we have yet to see for the camaro overall. Would be nice wouldn't it!
The Z28 thought has already been well discussed and has it's own forum.....
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=136
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Did you read any of the coments on jays website? Some people actually think the car is going to have a checkered paint job.
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I'm tired of doing homework.... The reality is that those of you who think you are getting a ZL1 @ MSRP and especially at a MSRP of $47,000 or $48,000 is very unrealistic, you guys must be smoking some serious pipe action.... I don't think GM is worried about pricing the ZL1 in Corvette territory or any other GM cars range, it's an awesome ride with awesome specs so far and the performance is outstanding from what we have seen, so i believe the MSRP will surely reflect it.... I still think the MSRP will be around the $55,000 mark...




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Watched the vid today. I did not get the impression at all that the car will be anywhere near 75K. I think Jay used that number as a ballpark to exclude the z06 and include the CTS-V and others as has been said. The president followed up with a comment on how Chevy has always stood for value, etc. I think between 55-60K is much more realistic.

LOL at the people who posted on Jay's site that they hated the paint job and unrefined interior of a camouflaged test-mule! Morons.
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It might have something to do with the headliner and gaskets being removed.
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Drooling, drooling, wow wish this veteran had the funds for this. Dreams do they ever come true? All I want is a job and a ZL1! This is truly a magnificent piece of art that needs a owner like me! Dear Santa..........ZL1 pretty please cherry on top!
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Nice info here in vid. Wish I could buy the mag control suspension on the 2SS...do not need the HP but the mag control ride and the 5 levels of traction control would be a nice option...
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If anyone from GM is listening, this would sure be a nice setup for a Z/28
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Price has to be the low to mid $50k. $15k is a lot above the SS for a supercharger and better handling. Besides the obvious Ford competition. Loaded under $60k is a guarantee!
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