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Old 03-26-2012, 03:10 PM   #76
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Pete, what do you mean by articulate,you mean they actually don't move evenly cw/ccw as you turn the steering wheel,theirs quite a gap there and for it to scuff against the tower,this is normal for this type of front system.
The retaining plate, for lack of a better description, has a wobbly orbit. That is why they need space between the plate and top of the strut tower.

NOTE: When I say wobbly orbit I do NOT mean to imply they are loose, a poor design or anything else that could be construed as negative. I am just trying to describe the motion.
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Old 03-26-2012, 03:44 PM   #77
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Thanks! that explains the marks it if this retainer wobbles, alright,so you should see those marks on all the cars then,so if camaro owners say they don't have the marks they are not admitting it is happening.


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The retaining plate, for lack of a better description, has a wobbly orbit. That is why they need space between the plate and top of the strut tower.

NOTE: When I say wobbly orbit I do NOT mean to imply they are loose, a poor design or anything else that could be construed as negative. I am just trying to describe the motion.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:40 PM   #78
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Thanks! that explains the marks it if this retainer wobbles, alright,so you should see those marks on all the cars then,so if camaro owners say they don't have the marks they are not admitting it is happening.
The more aggressively you drive the more distinct the marks will be as the plate orbit shifts faster
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:27 PM   #79
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Watch this!

Check out the metal washers and how there is no gap after install.

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Old 10-01-2012, 12:36 PM   #80
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Check out the metal washers and how there is no gap after install.

Why would no gap be a good thing?
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:39 PM   #81
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Check out the metal washers and how there is no gap after install.
Seems to me that with no gap and no flex then the shaft on your strut will get bound up and fail over time. Turn your wheels sideways and look at the retaining washer. Somethings will be bound up if you take that gap away. Unless the material filling that gap is really flexible and softer. Which that doesn't appear to be.
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Seems to me that with no gap and no flex then the shaft on your strut will get bound up and fail over time. Turn your wheels sideways and look at the retaining washer. Somethings will be bound up if you take that gap away.
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Old 10-02-2012, 02:49 PM   #83
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Old 10-02-2012, 07:00 PM   #84
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Strut noise
I get that. But still doesn't change the fact that eliminating that gap to a non-flexing filler will cause binding in the strut shaft and seal. In my opinion, and my opinion only, to bring up that solving a strut noise problem with a fix that could cause a seal failure later is worth mentioning.

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I see that the "Centering Rings" were removed before the final installation.They seem to be provided only to ensure correct centering for marking the holes to be drilled.

I'm wondering if some "Flex" as needed in the factory design is retained when the bar is installed permanently?

I have seen this bar on a friends car and I like it alot and it seems it will clear my particular Supercharger.I'm going to have to check it out closer next time I see it...maybe have him turn the wheels and take a look for movement.
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I see that the "Centering Rings" were removed before the final installation.They seem to be provided only to ensure correct centering for marking the holes to be drilled.

I'm wondering if some "Flex" as needed in the factory design is retained when the bar is installed permanently?

I have seen this bar on a friends car and I like it alot and it seems it will clear my particular Supercharger.I'm going to have to check it out closer next time I see it...maybe have him turn the wheels and take a look for movement.


Yes. I'm actually curious.
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Still waiting to check out my friends car.

He hasn't been able to attend our club meetings all month.
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My car start to do the same sound after i put the Eibach PRO-KIT...

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I know that noise was not in your car when we took your test drive. It is hands down the worst noise I have heard to date. I am thinking it could be an engine mount. Worse it could be a loose caliper. Your engine won't fall out, but I have seen what happens when a caliper comes off. Until you check the caliper bolts don't drive it. Please bring your car into Heath's. We'll do a complete inspection for safe and secure and then put the chassis ears on it and track it down. That sound is not the clunk or pop that people are talking about in this thread. It is loud and a clear indicator that something is wrong. Be CAREFUL and give me a call so we can get you in to Heath's a.s.a.p.

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My car start to do the same sound after i put the Eibach PRO-KIT... everytime i steer do that sound....looks like everything is going to be apart on the front-left suspension....
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Old 05-13-2013, 03:06 PM   #89
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If the noise started after you installed the lowering coils, check the lowering coil first.

Make certain the coil is seated in the notch on the lower mount and seated into the urethane and steel upper mount.

Next check the coil for any unusual marks. Some lowering coils for the Camaro had or have issues with a coil touching the lower spring seat when compressed i.e. going over a bump. Some owners used pliers to lean the spring seat out to eliminate the point of contact.

If those are good to go, with the car sitting on the ground remove the nut and strut retaining plate. Grab a deepwell 24mm socket and tighten the jam nut. If it moves, you may have found your noise. Put the retaining plate and top nut on and see if you fixed it.

To install the lowering coils the front endlinks were removed from the strut. Make certain the endlink nuts are tight on the strut and the sway bar. You can't imagine the noises that come from a loose endlink nut. When I say loose I don't mean 'loose'. I mean tight enough to prevent noise.
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I don't want to depress you guys but this noise is a by-product of the upper strut mount design and is not fixable by simply changing a strut or strut mount.

Unlike most strut vehicles with bolt-in upper strut mounts, the Zeta platform uses a floating upper mount. The mount literally just sits in place using the weight of the car to hold it there. Those funny looking formed washers in the engine bay that stick up 1/2" above the strut towers are the strut retainers. If they were not there, the struts would literally fall out if you jacked the car up.

What happens when you go over bumps, washboards, potholes, etc. is that the strut rebound valving does not allow the strut to extend quickly enough to compensate so the entire strut assembly falls down out of the strut tower slightly. This creates the noise everyone is hearing. It is not dangerous by any means but it is definitely annoying.

Ultimately the design itself needs to be changed or the problem will continue. This would have to include changing the design of the strut tower itself as well as the strut mount. I doubt GM will do any more major re-designs with the Zeta platform but hopefully this issue will be resolved with the upcoming Alpha platformed Camaros.

Keep in mind this is a completely different issue from the earlier upper spring isolator service bulletins. The issue being discussed generally only happens while driving over speed bumps, transitions, rough pavement, etc.
That noise is annoying! Be having me check underneath my car all the time!
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That noise is annoying! Be having me check underneath my car all the time!
If the post you cited was correct, EVERY Camaro would have this noise. They don't.
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